An interesting look back at pistol shooting. - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

kwrangln · 12-30-2011, 10:09 PM

How things have changed, and how they have stayed the same.

Apart from the grip, and trigger awareness, not a whole lot has changed. I'm willing to bet that most of us would have a real hard time with thier course of fire though. When was the last time you tried a 50 yard shot with a pistol? I know it's been years since I have.

1944 Army training movie for handgun shooting.

Combat Firing with Hand Guns (1944) - YouTube

TheRedHorseman · 12-30-2011, 10:59 PM

"Due to the grip design it requires a slight upward cocking of the grip."

Hmm...

Almost like the Glock(and luger) was designed with ergonomics in mind...

SCOTTS_4X · 12-31-2011, 12:24 AM

Every time I shoot an ICORE match I have to shoot at a tombstone Target from 50, 25, 10, and 3 yds.

-scott

Fishslayer · 12-31-2011, 12:28 AM

That's unpossible. The only way to have a reliable AND accurate 1911 is to dump multi-Ks of $$$ into it...

We had nothing that difficult. When I was in the Seabees ('74-'78) our course of fire was 15 yds (IIRC) of slow & rapid fire at a fairly large bull. Don't recall the exact number of rounds. We were taught a standard two handed grip. Even with our rattletrap doG-knows-how-old 1911s you could qualify Expert if you didn't spaz out on the rapid fire. By the time the M9 came out it was even easier.

jettscott · 12-31-2011, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTTS_4X

Every time I shoot an ICORE match I have to shoot at a tombstone Target from 50, 25, 10, and 3 yds.

-scott

What size is a "tombstone" target? Sized as the name implies? The reason I'm asking is a friend of mine (LEO) and I have informal shooting comps. He pulls his service Glock out against whatever I have in the truck and we start with the wager. He pulls a lucky shot out every now and again, but by our retarded scoring, he always loses.

This sounds like the new challenge.

85f150dsel · 12-31-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kwrangln

When was the last time you tried a 50 yard shot with a pistol?

Never 50, usually 100-200 yds

My 45 SWC loads are pretty tame and you end up lobbing the things in there, usually they barely make a dent in tin by then as well.

We only do this when I have a get together at my place and we are shooting the rifles.

Neat video though.

SCOTTS_4X · 12-31-2011, 12:13 PM

30 x 18 tombstone with 4inch X-ring 8inch A-ring and 12inch B-ring

-scott

Lil Uzi · 12-31-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

"Due to the grip design it requires a slight upward cocking of the grip."

Hmm...

Almost like the Glock(and luger) was designed with ergonomics in mind...

" Points and shoots as naturally as pointing the finger"

Nice tracers.

Chris · 12-31-2011, 01:10 PM

I was at the public range the other day watching some guy getting a hard on over hitting the 100 yard plate with his AR. I started banging it with my .41 just to see his face. Yes, I am a one upper.

trailbound · 12-31-2011, 01:32 PM

I don't know what the current qual range is but Army standard used to be 60 rounds from 30 yrds on a standard sillouet.
When I was in the academy, one of the range instructors and I would practice 50 yrd draw and fires at 8" plates.

Zuki Tyler · 12-31-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 85f150dsel

Never 50, usually 100-200 yds

My 45 SWC loads are pretty tame and you end up lobbing the things in there, usually they barely make a dent in tin by then as well.

We only do this when I have a get together at my place and we are shooting the rifles.

Neat video though.

It's always interesting to shoot things at distances you wouldn't normally consider.

You can walk a 45 out to 500 yards... it's not effective at all though.

Same thing with shotgun slugs.

Jbevs · 12-31-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 85f150dsel

My 45 SWC loads are pretty tame and you end up lobbing the things in there, usually they barely make a dent in tin by then as well.

What is SWC? Wait, just hit me. Short wad cutters?

Chris · 12-31-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbevs

What is SWC? Wait, just hit me. Short wad cutters?

Semi

Dustin Smith · 12-31-2011, 03:59 PM

We have to shoot 50yds as part of our semi-annual qualifications.

Fishslayer · 12-31-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTTS_4X

30 x 18 tombstone with 4inch X-ring 8inch A-ring and 12inch B-ring

-scott

I don't know if I could even SEE a 12" target at 50 yds. Getting old brings teh suck.

kwrangln · 12-31-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishslayer

I don't know if I could even SEE a 12" target at 50 yds. Getting old brings teh suck.

Please turn in your drivers liscence, for the good of those on the road with you. If you can't see a 12" target at 150 feet, you are done.

85f150dsel · 12-31-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbevs

What is SWC? Wait, just hit me. Short wad cutters?

Yep to what Chris said. They are good paper punchers, nice clean holes.

12-30-2011, 10:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
kwrangln Doublewide engineer Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 6971 Location: Gulf coast Posts: 5,904	An interesting look back at pistol shooting. How things have changed, and how they have stayed the same. Apart from the grip, and trigger awareness, not a whole lot has changed. I'm willing to bet that most of us would have a real hard time with thier course of fire though. When was the last time you tried a 50 yard shot with a pistol? I know it's been years since I have. 1944 Army training movie for handgun shooting. Combat Firing with Hand Guns (1944) - YouTube __________________ I'm the "tack tack tack" welding nazi. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...&postcount=218 "I didn't mean to kill nobody ... I just meant to shoot the sonofabitch in the head. Him dying was between him and the Lord." R. L. Burnside

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SCOTTS_4X Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12780 Location: Paso Robles, ca Posts: 1,772	Every time I shoot an ICORE match I have to shoot at a tombstone Target from 50, 25, 10, and 3 yds. -scott __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -Sigmund Frued

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Fishslayer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 59127 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,476	That's unpossible. The only way to have a reliable AND accurate 1911 is to dump multi-Ks of $$$ into it... We had nothing that difficult. When I was in the Seabees ('74-'78) our course of fire was 15 yds (IIRC) of slow & rapid fire at a fairly large bull. Don't recall the exact number of rounds. We were taught a standard two handed grip. Even with our rattletrap doG-knows-how-old 1911s you could qualify Expert if you didn't spaz out on the rapid fire. By the time the M9 came out it was even easier. __________________ [QUOTE=Muddin;7252258]If I was you, I'd stop signing your name at the end of your post. You sir, are teh unfunnay and if you continue to sign your name, we'll know who it is that brings teh unfunnay. :flipoff2:[/QUOTE]

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SCOTTS_4X Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12780 Location: Paso Robles, ca Posts: 1,772	30 x 18 tombstone with 4inch X-ring 8inch A-ring and 12inch B-ring -scott __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -Sigmund Frued Last edited by SCOTTS_4X; 12-31-2011 at 12:22 PM.

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Chris III Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2032 Posts: 11,056	I was at the public range the other day watching some guy getting a hard on over hitting the 100 yard plate with his AR. I started banging it with my .41 just to see his face. Yes, I am a one upper. __________________ 07 FFL There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"

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TheRedHorseman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64421 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 8,195	"Due to the grip design it requires a slight upward cocking of the grip." Hmm... Almost like the Glock(and luger) was designed with ergonomics in mind...

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trailbound Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101971 Location: Stockton CA Posts: 277	I don't know what the current qual range is but Army standard used to be 60 rounds from 30 yrds on a standard sillouet. When I was in the academy, one of the range instructors and I would practice 50 yrd draw and fires at 8" plates.

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Dustin Smith Rock God Join Date: Apr 2002 Member # 11139 Posts: 1,687	We have to shoot 50yds as part of our semi-annual qualifications.

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