1911 vs sig 226

[frumpy]

I am going to be upgrading my firearms license shortly to restricted (which allows you to own handguns and "scary" rifles like ARs) and am starting to shop around. I am 100% going with norinco as they have a pretty good rep and really good price.

I don't know a ton about handguns but these two are ones I know a little about. Everyone seems to say 1911 but I am leaning towards the sig 226 knock off due to having shot a real 226 quite a bit (a friends and work). Also the 1911 in single action, the 226 is double action

Going with 9mm regardless of what I get



Norinco 1911/NP29 with 2 mags. Single stack.
Slide and frame forged and milled from steel with enhanced countours,
Slide Stop, thumb safety, beavertail grip safety and hammer half-cock safety,
U-Notch rear sights, blade front sight with 3-white-dot sighting system for rapid sight acquisition,
Calibre: 9mm Parabellum (9x19mm)
Barrel Length: 128mm (5 inch)
Overall Length: 218mm (8.6 inch)
Weight: 1.15kg (2.53 lb)
Magazine capacity: 9 rounds
Action: single action


The "NEW" Norinco NP-22 is a full-featured P22X type pistol. Its forged steel slide, lightweight alloy frame which now features an integral picatinny rail and a newly designed steel re-enforcement insert, ergonomic wrap-around grips, chrome-lined barrel, decocking lever, firing pin block, double column magazine, and three dot sights make it an excellent choice for beginner and expert alike.

[TheRedHorseman]

The sig clone is going to be cheaper to shoot.

[frumpy]

Not sure if I am missing something... they are both $350 new and 9mm

[87manche]

Originally Posted by frumpy

Not sure if I am missing something... they are both $350 new and 9mm

don't tell him it's a Chinese 9MM 1911.

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

WTF is wrong with you?

You don't want a hi power, but instead the gheyest auto pistol and caliber combination known to man.

9mm 1911s are gayer than aids encrusted rectal warts on a crossdresser in a sticky bukkake and tentacle porn video finale.

[Crawlchevy]

Originally Posted by 87manche

don't tell him it's a Chinese 9MM 1911.

Please for the love of god do not buy a Chinese 1911. Get anything else. If you like the sig, look at xd and s&w pistols, they go for about 350-400 here.

[Zuki Tyler]

Do you guys not have Norinco Hi Powers?

Mine was pretty slick, for not being a Glock.

[White7]

Ive got one of the old Norinco 1911's,, I love it (.45 of course)

[frumpy]

Wow, a lot of hate for Norinco's. I know quite a few people that have them with no issues at all and even a few people with pimped out Norinco's. I realize it's not going to be 100% as good as the big names but I'm not carrying or competing, just looking to get into shooting pistols at the range.

[frumpy]

Originally Posted by Zuki Tyler

Do you guys not have Norinco Hi Powers?

Mine was pretty slick, for not being a Glock.

Haven't seen them before and did a quick search. Looks like they are not made anymore.

[Diesel Smoke]

Buddy has a norico 1911 and it shoot as well as our other friends kimbers. Its a .45 and seems to function well with any ammo combination and is spot on for accuracy. Maybe the exception to the rule but we both have enjoyed shooting it.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC

[frumpy]

I seem to find the majority of people talking shit on Norinco don't own them and have only "heard" from other people that they suck.

Just found this as well... guess it could be another option

[pb4u4x4]

Originally Posted by frumpy

I seem to find the majority of people talking shit on Norinco don't own them and have only "heard" from other people that they suck.

Just found this as well... guess it could be another option

Welcome to the internet gun world.

[frumpy]

Originally Posted by pb4u4x4

Welcome to the internet gun world.

Maybe I should just ask 1911 or sig 226

[TheRedHorseman]

Originally Posted by frumpy

Not sure if I am missing something... they are both $350 new and 9mm

I either missed it or you updated it afterward.

Originally Posted by Crawlchevy

Please for the love of god do not buy a Chinese 1911. Get anything else. If you like the sig, look at xd and s&w pistols, they go for about 350-400 here.

Sadly, the Norinco 1911s are better built than most of the ones we get here.

But a 9mm 1911 is still gayer than aids encrusted rectal warts.

[thedonn007]

So, does Norinco have a license to copy the P226 and the CZ-75?

Is norinco not capable of creating a weapon of thier own design?

[frumpy]

9mm 1911 specifically or all 9mm?

Since this is target shooting only I'm not worried about stopping power and 9mm is acceptable for all the competitions around here (if I ever choose to get into that). Also, it is a cheap caliber that is readily available here and the military pistol range is fairly limited in calibers we are allowed right now (currently .22, 9mm, and .40)

[TheRedHorseman]

9mm is fine, it's just gay in the 1911 platform.

[frumpy]

Originally Posted by thedonn007

So, does Norinco have a license to copy the P226 and the CZ-75?

Is norinco not capable of creating a weapon of thier own design?

Probably not as they have different names and I'm going to go with no on designing. But they are $350 new with two mags

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

9mm is fine, it's just gay in the 1911 platform.

gotcha, any reason why? I guess it's the 226 unless I find a used norinco hi power (or maybe even .40 1911)

[thedonn007]

[QUOTE=frumpy;13905552]Probably not as they have different names and I'm going to go with no on designing. But they are $350 new with two mags QUOTE]

I would rather buy a Smith and Wesson M&P in 9mm. There is also a cheaper polymer smith and Wesson pistol SD9 I think it is called. Ruger P95 would be another option. That way you would have some customer service and a lifetime warranty to back up your purchase.

How is the norinco customer service?

Lastly, a used CS-75 should not be much more than $350 either.

[frumpy]

Norinco customer service is non-existant. However, there are a few shops that offer warranty for the gun through the shop. As far as used go, I have been watching and haven't seen any below $500. People here seem to think their guns go up in value after they are "broken in"

edit: cheapest M&P I have seen is $650ish new. I can get a new glock through a company that onle sells to MIL/LEO for $500ish (they will only sell to Mil/LEO in bulk but have a program to give serving and retired memebers a hell of a deal)

[frumpy]

Used prices here suck, here are a few off a pretty big Canadian board.

Glock 22 Third Gen .40 S&W Hard Glock Case 3 Mags Included $649.99 (these are $670 new with 2 mags)

Np-29 with 4 mags and VZ grips $550 ($350 for the gun and 2 mags new)

Glock 17 g3 9mm round count under 1000 with extra mag and holster asking $800 (these are $670 new)

Norinco 1911 45 acp round count 300 asking $430 shipped ($350 new with 2 mags)

Glock 17 Carry Package $675 (only thing extra is a mag and holster, so $670 new minus a mag and holster)


Only one that remotely insterested me (and only due to price) was a norinco NP 17 which is a 'T-33 Military' Tokarev handgun but chambered in 9mm for $165 shipped

[Doug K]

Are those prices in Canadian dollars? Because they are all several hundred dollars higher than their U.S. counterparts. Glock charges $398 bucks for all their basic frame models to LEO/MIL... I am pretty sure that includes 3 mags.

Doug

[thedonn007]

Originally Posted by Doug K

Are those prices in Canadian dollars? Because they are all several hundred dollars higher than their U.S. counterparts. Glock charges $398 bucks for all their basic frame models to LEO/MIL... I am pretty sure that includes 3 mags.

Doug

US and Canadian is basically dollar for dollar right now.

[Doug K]

That's crazy... my recent glock purchases have all been steals by Canuck standards then... Is this a product of the regulated firearm market? I mean, the prices for those Norincos are pretty crazy in their own right.

I don't buy Glocks new, and prefer the third gen stuff anyway... buuuttt:
Glock 34 w/ hi-viz sites and two mags- 425
Glock 19 w/ trijicon sites and three mags- 415
Glock 35 with one mag- 375

Anybody got a 26 they want to part with? I'm looking for a cheap roll piece.

Doug

[pennsylvaniaboy]

where can i buy the sig knock off????