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Old 01-28-2012, 02:23 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Will do.



What state do you live in where you get raped like that?
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it was complete with stock etc. brady was 25. and tax is 8.75 %
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Yeah, this is in line with what I've been reading. It sounds like you're saying I should just skip the dremel job on the hammer and go with a new one, right?
I bought a PC complete lower along with a narrower hammer at the GS today for 130 out the door.This is the hammer
http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Plum...c-blowback.htm
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That's basically how I profiled my PC hammer to work with my CZ .22 upper.


DT75FLH: Just FYI, all the PC lowers are complete with stock. Not trying to harp on you, just trying help you be informed. That tax is killer though!

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Absolutely a re-branded Plum Crazy lower. All parts are the same, the logo is almost the same.
The polymer blend is actually upgraded on the New Frontier Armory lowers over the plumcrazy lowers, and upgraded 100% USA made springs. They are made on the same MOLDS as the PCF lowers, but upgraded. They are NOT Made by PCF, at all. PCF doesn't do their own molding.

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Thats because PC raised their dealer pricing.
The msrp on these is 99.00
The Plum Crazy dealer pricing increase has been held off for the time being from what we've heard. The MSRP on the NFA lowers should be $120 I believe. The Minimum Advertised Price will be $99 on the New Frontier Armory lowers, which will be the street price. That's what we'll sell them for, shipped ($20 lower than plumcrazy).

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Not a re brand. I got the feeling they did an end run and got the manufacturer.
See above. Not made by Plumcrazy, and not an end run.

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I bought a PC complete lower along with a narrower hammer at the GS today for 130 out the door.This is the hammer
http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Plum...c-blowback.htm
These SHOULD be back in stock soon. We've been waiting on them for months and months

On my personal plumcrazy lower I shaved the hammer with a dremel and it fixed the issue with my Nordic Components dedicated 22LR upper and the narrower carrier/wider hammer.

We have a large batch of the New Frontier Armory lowers hitting us by the end of the week it looks like. We got our hands on them a little bit while at SHOT last week in Vegas.

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Old 01-29-2012, 11:36 PM   #55 (permalink)
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The polymer blend is actually upgraded on the New Frontier Armory lowers over the plumcrazy lowers, and upgraded 100% USA made springs. They are made on the same MOLDS as the PCF lowers, but upgraded. They are NOT Made by PCF, at all. PCF doesn't do their own molding.



The Plum Crazy dealer pricing increase has been held off for the time being from what we've heard. The MSRP on the NFA lowers should be $120 I believe. The Minimum Advertised Price will be $99 on the New Frontier Armory lowers, which will be the street price. That's what we'll sell them for, shipped ($20 lower than plumcrazy).



See above. Not made by Plumcrazy, and not an end run.



These SHOULD be back in stock soon. We've been waiting on them for months and months

On my personal plumcrazy lower I shaved the hammer with a dremel and it fixed the issue with my Nordic Components dedicated 22LR upper and the narrower carrier/wider hammer.

We have a large batch of the New Frontier Armory lowers hitting us by the end of the week it looks like. We got our hands on them a little bit while at SHOT last week in Vegas.
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:44 AM   #56 (permalink)
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The polymer blend is actually upgraded on the New Frontier Armory lowers over the plumcrazy lowers, and upgraded 100% USA made springs. They are made on the same MOLDS as the PCF lowers, but upgraded. They are NOT Made by PCF, at all. PCF doesn't do their own molding.



The Plum Crazy dealer pricing increase has been held off for the time being from what we've heard. The MSRP on the NFA lowers should be $120 I believe. The Minimum Advertised Price will be $99 on the New Frontier Armory lowers, which will be the street price. That's what we'll sell them for, shipped ($20 lower than plumcrazy).



See above. Not made by Plumcrazy, and not an end run.



These SHOULD be back in stock soon. We've been waiting on them for months and months

On my personal plumcrazy lower I shaved the hammer with a dremel and it fixed the issue with my Nordic Components dedicated 22LR upper and the narrower carrier/wider hammer.

We have a large batch of the New Frontier Armory lowers hitting us by the end of the week it looks like. We got our hands on them a little bit while at SHOT last week in Vegas.
Another member here has already best your price by $5 shipped, FYI.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:07 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Hammer Comparison

Hammer is definitely wider. Please excuse the blurry cell phone pics.

Standard AR hammer on the left, LW15 hammer on the right



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Old 01-30-2012, 06:13 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Whoa. That's a big bitch.

Thanks for posting!
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:12 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Whoa. That's a big bitch.

Thanks for posting!
See the square in center of the LW15? That's the portion that strikes and on the PC it's imbedded metal. I'm thinking the rest of the hammer is that big so it has enough mASS to make a positive primer strike.
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I picked up my lower on Saturday, I'll get side-by-side pics with the PC lower this week and post them up.
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One thing to note, the magwell comes down on these about a 1/16" further than normal. Makes it so my VM hy-tech magwell adapter won't lock in. I plan to trim it...
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:14 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I went to Sacramento Black Rifle today and put a deposit on one of these. Supposed to be in, in 8 days. With bullet button its should be $147 plus tax.


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I heard the plum crazy doesn't use the stock pin location so you have to use their trigger group. The New Frontier uses the milspec location so you could put whatever trigger you wanted in it.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:12 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Any idea who has a good complete upper in the $400 to $500 range in stock around Sacramento, CA? This is my first AR and will be used for hunting. Highjack over


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Any idea who has a good complete upper in the $400 to $500 range in stock around Sacramento, CA? This is my first AR and will be used for hunting. Highjack over


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I am in the same boat, trying to plan out my first ar build. I want to try one of these lowers with a complete upper and I also live in sac. Hoping to spend about the same amount too.
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It's hard to find a "good" upper online for that, much less at a brick and mortar shop where the guy has to make enough off of the sale to keep the lights on.
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Any idea who has a good complete upper in the $400 to $500 range in stock around Sacramento, CA? This is my first AR and will be used for hunting. Highjack over


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I've had a Sacramento Black Rifle $399 upper for about a year and a half. Shoots great with no problems to date.

http://www.sacramentoblackrifle.com/...y-standard-bcg
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It's hard to find a "good" upper online for that, much less at a brick and mortar shop where the guy has to make enough off of the sale to keep the lights on.
Really....free shipping and in stock
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...er&groupid=368
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It's hard to find a "good" upper online for that, much less at a brick and mortar shop where the guy has to make enough off of the sale to keep the lights on.
Do you think the components in this lower warrant a higher end upper?


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I wouldn't buy one. With as inexpensive as forged lowers are these days, why bother with a polymer one that is a poor design?

The plumcrazy that this is based on has a tenancy to crack at the rear takedown pin area when abused. Why? Because they basically copied a forged aluminum lower and made a mold for polymer without taking two seconds to consider that polymer and aluminum don't behave the same way.

For a range warrior, it would probably be fine, but I tend to abuse my rifles more than your average plinker(though less than a tree chopping ninja operator). That combined with almost zero price difference means I'll be sticking with a metal lower and my lone Cav Arms lower(which was designed with polymer's properties in mind)

Then there's the deal with cheap AR uppers. Often they end up being inaccurate or a pain in the ass to try to get running right. If you really like tinkering and cussing at them, by all means grab a cheapie.(in all honesty, they aren't that hard to fix 99% of the time) But spending a few bucks more on decent components means the crap I slap together generally works from the get go and shoots halfway straight.

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I couldn't pass up a complete lower for 100 bucks. Not when stripped lowers in California go for the same price. I don't expect this to be a high end match grade gun. I think it is going to be an affordable build to satisy my want for an AR.


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Man there are some haters in here.
Cheapest lower(in cal) I have seen is 89$. Plus tax dros comes to like 120$. Cheapest lpk I have seen is 60$ plus tax and shipping. Figure 70$.
That comes out to 190$. Not including buffer tube/stock.
This complete lower is 132$ otd a savings of almost 100$. I wouldn't call that a close price difference.

Also arnt g36's all polymer?


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Also arnt g36's all polymer?

Mostly, yes. And aside from some melting issues under sustained fire they tend to work well.

But how is that relevant? The G36 was designed as a polymer gun from the get go.


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I couldn't pass up a complete lower for 100 bucks. Not when stripped lowers in California go for the same price. I don't expect this to be a high end match grade gun. I think it is going to be an affordable build to satisy my want for an AR.
The lower really has no effect on accuracy, so don't worry about that affecting how well the rifle shoots.

It'll be just fine for a plinker, and probably most match stuff as well.

As for the cost, I forgot about your stupid DROS crap adding to the cost. Around here it's not a heck of a lot more expensive to build an aluminum unit.

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Man there are some haters in here.
Cheapest lower(in cal) I have seen is 89$. Plus tax dros comes to like 120$. Cheapest lpk I have seen is 60$ plus tax and shipping. Figure 70$.
That comes out to 190$. Not including buffer tube/stock.
This complete lower is 132$ otd a savings of almost 100$. I wouldn't call that a close price difference.

Also arnt g36's all polymer?


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I don't think anybody is "hating" on these things, but it cracks me up when people won't spend the extra $100 for quality when they will spend $50 at the Olive Garden or $5 for a cup of coffee. The bottom line is you get what you pay for, and this is like the Harbor Freight of lowers..............don't expect high end, but it's safe to assume it will work fine under easy use.
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