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Old 04-29-2012, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Primitive Traps and Snares

Yesterday at a trapping class,
our friend Paul Campbell demonstrated an ancient scissor snare like the ones found in the Ord Mountain Mojave Indian rock shelter
and were carbon dated to 2000 years ago.
Very cool stuff and a very effective snare.
FYI, Ord Mountains are near Barstow, Ca.

Since Paul is a renowned Native American survival skills expert
and instructor he was able to personally examine the snares found in the shelter.

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I forgot my camera yesterday so a friend sent me those pics
and he'll send me more on a CD.
I'll post more pics of different traps and snares when I can.

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Interesting. Back when I was a kid, I used to run wild through the woods during the summer, used to set snares quite a bit. The only thing I could ever get to catch anything were the squirrel snares like this, though:

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Beautiful work.

It took me a second to figure out why the hell I would spend a minimum of 5min per set, when a simple loop snare is highly effective and can be set in 30sec?

Materials:

Wire is a beautiful thing! I can slay a colony of small animals with just a few feet. I always have 10+ft in my kit. Comes in handy for all sorts of stuff. (I use "safety" wire.)

A simple loop snare would be crap with natural cordage. Hence, that lethal little work of art. I respect them even more when you take in to account that you'd have to make the cordage as well. Give me the right (modern) materials and I could snare damn near anything.

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I like that scissors snare. Less cordage and looks like a higher catch % based on design

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Here's another close up of the Mojave scissor snare.


Here you can see the dual action of this very effective snare. As it's sprung, the scissors close and the scissors are pulled upward against the retaining sticks.


Here, Paul is discussing leverage on the trigger stick. On the left, under his finger, is a short section that gets placed under a rock or stick that can hold the weight of the sapling. Paul indicates with his thumb where the bait stick will be placed. The right side of the trigger stick with have very little tension on it thus making it a very sensitive trigger. In the pics, the trigger stick is under a pumpkin seed that was wedged onto the bait stick.
The cordage was made from Dogbane.


Side view.
Ideally, the area behind the trap(left side of pic) must be closed in so the animal has only one way in.


Pretty good class that day. There were more kids than usual and we found out that they had just watched the movie, Hunger Games, and wanted to learn how to trap. Of course Christopher gave them his spiel on the legality and ethics of it all.


Here's a figure 4 dead fall set up.


The kids loved learning a super easy way to catch lizards. As sketchy as lizards are, they're just not afraid of a stick or string.


And here Christopher made an Arapuca bird trap. These are super easy and fast to make. Very effective trap, too.


If you want to watch how it's made...
Quickly Made Arapuca Bird Trap - YouTube

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This is too cool. Always wanted to learn to trap like this. Subscribed.
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So where are you taking these classes you keep talking about?
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They are usually held at Hahamonga watershed park in Pasadena. Just down from JPL and across the street from La Canada high school. Every Saturday at 10am.

http://www.christophernyerges.com/schedule.htm

Every week is something different but every class has a wild food walk where we learn edible, medicinal, and useful plants. After the walk we make a salad with the greens we just picked. Bring your own bowl.
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They are usually held at Hahamonga watershed park in Pasadena. Just down from JPL and across the street from La Canada high school. Every Saturday at 10am.

http://www.christophernyerges.com/schedule.htm

Every week is something different but every class has a wild food walk where we learn edible, medicinal, and useful plants. After the walk we make a salad with the greens we just picked. Bring your own bowl.
That's I'm going to have to take my daughter to some of those.
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The only thing more primitive than my starling trap is a rock propped up by a stick. Hey, it works.

I made a tube out of chicken wire. I cut a piece of mesh/grid for a door. I prop open the door with a stick.
Then place the trap on the inside of my grill, where they keep entering trying to build nests.

The starling enters the hole, knocks down the stick, the door shuts, and I walk out and kill it.
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we used to bury 5 gallon buckets up to teh rim, level with small animals' little trails, and put some rocks or branches over it. little critters would run along their usual path and fall in the bucket.

seemed to mostly catch spiders
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we used to bury 5 gallon buckets up to teh rim, level with small animals' little trails, and put some rocks or branches over it. little critters would run along their usual path and fall in the bucket.

seemed to mostly catch spiders
you only catch the retarded ones in something like that. The sticks falling through with gravity is so slow and the animals reaction time so quick that they can usually jump while the sticks are still partially supported.
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we used to bury 5 gallon buckets up to teh rim,
Most anything can get out of a 5 gal bucket.
I use them for mouse traps. Put about a couple inches of water in the bucket, wipe peanut butter several places on the inside of the bucket. They will fall in trying to get it.

Another method is to get a can, run a rod through the can so it is rolls on the rod evenly. Smear peanut butter on the can and place on top of a bucket with water.
Some put walk boards out to the can so the mice can jump on. Once on, the can rolls, they slip off into the water.
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And here Christopher made an Arapuca bird trap. These are super easy and fast to make. Very effective trap, too.
Those are also very effective on rabbits. They call them pyramid traps around here.
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you only catch the retarded ones in something like that. The sticks falling through with gravity is so slow and the animals reaction time so quick that they can usually jump while the sticks are still partially supported.
i didn't explain that well, not like a tiger pit but with room for the animals to crawl under whatever was laid across the bucket,and fall.

we were just dumb kids, didn't use bait. but did catch a few snakes once, they must be stupid
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One of my favorite books as a kid was an old Air Force survival manual that my dad was given by a friend. It was a pretty thick book full of pictures and diagrams of traps, shelters, and tons of survival techniques. I need to dig that thing out and maybe post up some pictures of the stuff it had. Growing up on a farm, it kept me occupied for a very long time.
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this is a cool thread my dad showed me some of these traps a long time ago sadly i have forgotten how to make most of them and started relying on weapons to hunt food. need to start learning these again
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The only thing more primitive than my starling trap is a rock propped up by a stick. Hey, it works.

I made a tube out of chicken wire. I cut a piece of mesh/grid for a door. I prop open the door with a stick.
Then place the trap on the inside of my grill, where they keep entering trying to build nests.

The starling enters the hole, knocks down the stick, the door shuts, and I walk out and kill it.
I missed the part where you ate it.



Here's a great trigger called a shive (sp?)
You score one side of a stick half way through and turn it over and do the other side an inch down. Then you break it apart and clean it up a little with a knife or sharp rock. Then you push the two pieces back together to become one stick again. If it all goes well, it should be able to support some decent weight.

Then tie the middle of a string around the trigger stick and then attach each end to the far corners of the trap.
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Pretty good class that day. There were more kids than usual and we found out that they had just watched the movie, Hunger Games, and wanted to learn how to trap. Of course Christopher gave them his spiel on the legality and ethics of it all.
The fact that only live traps are allowed in CA? Shit's retarded.
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