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Old 05-04-2012, 07:25 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Once you've owned enough pistols and shot them enough, you realize that most of what you read/see on the internet is attention whoring contrarian insecure personal image bullshit spewing.
Yeah, or its an effort to validate their choice. A lot of people can't handle being apart from the crowd. Me personally, I go for what works for me. I think everyone should do that. I've shot just about every common style of pistol out there, and each has its own positive and negative features. Find the one that works for you, be pleased about it, and be glad when someone you know finds what works for them. Even if it isn't your first choice.

Case in point: took a buddy of mine to Gander to look at some pistols. Showed him a Beretta 92 first because that's what he knows. Showed him a 1911, he liked the caliber, but not the capacity. XD and XDM he said were too high above his hand and the grip felt funny. M&P he liked, but when I put a Glock 22 in his hand, his whole coutenance changed and he said "This is it. This one fits great. I like it a lot". I never told him what I was handing him until after he'd been holding it for a minute or so. I told him the Glock 22 is what police here carry pretty exclusively, and it was a great, reliable pistol. He's currently saving his pennies for one.
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:06 AM   #27 (permalink)
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How fast the slide travels back after a round has been fired. Take your glock, rack and lock your slide back. Now impose a tight hold on the grip and release the slide, then repeat with a loose grip.

The guides that the rack slides on do not take much to 'pinch' in and affect the action of the slide.
it does not take much for the basic laws of physics to lose you does it?



Go clamp your glock in a MOTHERFUCKING VICE THAT DOES NOT MOVE OR SLIP and repeat your testing by holding onto the mag end, trigger guard or any other part that is not near the rails.
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:18 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I can't say that I really care for them too much. I think they are great guns but they just don't fit my hands well. This seems to show up more in the midsized guns to me. I really like the idea of a 23 but every time i go to buy one I walk out without it. The full size large frame models don't feel too bad though. I kinda like my 20 . Hogs don't seem to like it though...
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it does not take much for the basic laws of physics to lose you does it?



Go clamp your glock in a MOTHERFUCKING VICE THAT DOES NOT MOVE OR SLIP and repeat your testing by holding onto the mag end, trigger guard or any other part that is not near the rails.

Basic laws of physics... I know a thing or two about them. And when do you fire your glock while clamped in a vice, or from the mag end, or trigger guard??

I am talking about a tight grip while in the firing position. Too tight of a grip is a problem with new shooters and in high stress situation. I am not saying that everyone does it and it is definately going to happen, rather pointing out that compared to say a Berreta or even another poly frame M&P which are far less likely to affect the weapon.
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:03 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I am talking about a tight grip while in the firing position. Too tight of a grip is a problem with new shooters and in high stress situation. I am not saying that everyone does it and it is definately going to happen, rather pointing out that compared to say a Berreta or even another poly frame M&P which are far less likely to affect the weapon.
I've heard thousands of complaints about Glocks over the years, had twenty or so guns, shot thousands of rounds, spent hundred of hours on various forums and listening to people whine, but this is a new one to me.
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Or will any ol' shovel do?


DozerDan, can you post a video explaining what you are talking about?
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DozerDan, can you post a video explaining what you are talking about?
No, because it's a figment of his imagination.
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DozerDan, can you post a video explaining what you are talking about?
I will see if I get some time at work tonight.

any particular model you would like me to use to demonstrate?

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I love how Glocks work, and that they're uber-dependable.

But.

There are guns that feel better to me, and which I prefer to shoot. It's kinda like how I prefer a wood handle on an axe or sledgehammer, or a manual vs. an automatic. Either will get the job done, but I have my preferences which will make it more enjoyable to me.
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What kind of 1911 is that and the back story. I have never seen a quality 1911 fubar that badly with just a little dirt and abuse. I have certainly never seen a little dirt cause the hammer to not operate properly or cause a FTF, if it is in battery. Maybe that is because I actually take care of the tools that I trust my life with. I do not care for Glocks, but appreciate what they represent. I own two, but rarely shoot or carry them.
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This is such a weird argument. I have a glock because it fits my hand comfortably. I would love to like an xdm, but it doesn't feel "right" in my hand. I love my 1911 too. I'd like a sig226, but turns out I don't have the money for another gun right now
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I have a Glock 27 and a M&P 40c. They are very close to the same weapon. The M&P has a better feel in my hand but both shoot very nice.
From what I read on the net I thought the Glock was going to shoot dime sized groups at 100 yards and never need to be cleaned.
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Basic laws of physics... I know a thing or two about them. And when do you fire your glock while clamped in a vice, or from the mag end, or trigger guard??

I am talking about a tight grip while in the firing position. Too tight of a grip is a problem with new shooters and in high stress situation. I am not saying that everyone does it and it is definately going to happen, rather pointing out that compared to say a Berreta or even another poly frame M&P which are far less likely to affect the weapon.
ok. I will dumb this down for you

your slide has the most mass, your frame is MUCH lighter.

You hold tight, the only thing having momentum is the slide. slide = heavy = slower change in momentum.

When you hold loose or lower on the grip (leverage) you are allowing the frame to move as well and it has a lower mass. lower mass = quicker momentum = you think its you bending the frame when in reality it is the difference in inertia between JUST the slide and a combination of slide and frame returning to battery.


Clamp the gun in a vice, first "normal" and then by ANY other location on the frame. They will have the same return to battery time when you remove human error.

and what you "claim" will happen with most any poly frame gun, and if you would like I can video it.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:18 AM   #41 (permalink)
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That's a ten dollar answer to a two-bit question.
It pretty much covers it in plain english. And I know that if he makes that claim then there are hundreds of other web "gun people" who also believe the same BS that need to be shown otherwise.
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Well done Doc. Even if you did point the loaded gun at yourself a few times. You're a trained medical professional, right? Bullet hole in my hand? No problem.
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Just sayin.
LOL, clean the rust spots of your grandpa's Government Models and you might be able to afford that hammer.

Wait, what the fuck are we arguing about here?

Everything but 2% of what I've ever read about firearms on the interwebs is bullshit. So I take it with more than a grain of salt.

My forty caliber Glocks have never kaboomed in my hand.
My Glock 19's have never double fired accidentally.
My factory polymer sites have never fallen off or broken.
WWB ammo doesn't jam them up.
It actually is possible to get 45 GAP ammo for my G37.
None of my polymer frames have ever cracked, flexed enough to cause problems, or discolored in UV light.
I've never lost my mind about there "not being a safety" on a Glock.


In fact, because of the Glocks I own, I'm taller, have better vision, smell better, and am demonstrably more virile. Ladies flock to me, men envy me, and little kids want to grow up to be me.

If only my 1911 did all that for me. Enjoy your XD's, M&P's, and Beretta 96's. We should be fighting the anti's, not each other.
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Well done Doc. Even if you did point the loaded gun at yourself a few times. You're a trained medical professional, right? Bullet hole in my hand? No problem.
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They are empties for checking JHP feed, the only live rounds in the area were.45 thats why i did NOT use the XD



but your concern is warranted on on the ball
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Guessing the second pic is of a struck primer on the same round?
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Guessing the second pic is of a struck primer on the same round?
There is no primer. It's a dummy round.



On Topic: Blue is definitely the best color.
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There is no primer. It's a dummy round.



On Topic: Blue is definitely the best color.
I see that now. Pic wasn't showing up.

What shade of blue? Are we talking midnight or cerulean?
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