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Old 05-11-2012, 12:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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1911=/=1911a1
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:51 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I'm intimately familiar with the 1911 and I know the difference between a 1911 and the a1. Camarotard's statement was fittingly stupid.

Back on topic, I carry a 1911 and other manual safety pistols, but I almost never recommend the 1911 to others as a carry piece. I am also strongly considering switching to a wonder nine.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:06 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I think a lot of this Instructor's Bias for Glocks is that they are a business. they can teach someone who has little to no experience to shoot a Glock well, quicker than a 1911.
Larry Vickers has refered to the 1911 course he teaches as a Glock appreciation course.
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Who is Rob Pincus and why should I care?
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Who is Rob Pincus and why should I care?
He is nobody to me but, he owns and operates I.C.E.

http://www.icetraining.us/

He is on alot of the shooting shows on Outdoor Channel and other stations. I think he is a Co host on the show Best Defense.
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I'll take my daily carry Springfield TRP 1911 up against any Glock slinging guy out there. A well tuned production 1911 is inherently more accurate, and just as reliable as a Glock when properly maintained. The key is proper training and plenty of lead downrange.

The Glock just happens to be the lowest common denominator. Any brainless noob can point and pull. Train a guy properly on a 1911, and he'll be an amazing Glock shooter.

One other thing too, the Glock fanboys might want to hold off on that reliability commentary until Glock sorts out the clusterfawk worth of problems they're having with their Gen 4 pistols. Glock had it right with the Gen 3's. Hopefully they'll get it together and get the Gen 4's working right. Great pistols though, just not my deal.





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You people are bagging on me for mentioning the difference between a 1911 and a 1911a1? Seriously?

You people are pathetic.
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You people are bagging on me for mentioning the difference between a 1911 and a 1911a1? Seriously?

You people are pathetic.
Keep telling yourself that, fatty.
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"I'll take my daily carry Springfield TRP 1911 up against any Glock slinging guy out there. A well tuned production 1911 is inherently more accurate, and just as reliable as a Glock when properly maintained. The key is proper training and plenty of lead downrange."

I have heard this line about Glocks alot..If you are in a shooting its 99% of the time very close and very fast with little to no for the 1911s inherent accuracy to make any differince. Remember Rob doesnt teach target shooting , he teaches gunfighting and killing folks...Aaron
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The last course I took, most of the instructors had custom 1911's, (Wilson, Nighthawk Predator, etc.), and the rest had Glocks, (I think there was one S&W). They of course had no problems demonstrating how to draw and fire a 1911, but a couple of the students were not as adept. I don't remember anyone drawing their Glock, pulling the trigger and then realizing the safety was on.
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Thats another great point why I think so many people like 1911's. You can get some many tricked out custom models and dick around adding all kinds of parts to them...Kinda like dressing up barbies...

I still think about 50 to 75% of the people who go to most classes just go to show off their tricked out gun and badass gear....I had one insturctor half his students pay him to watch them shoot because they dont listen to his advice after pay big bucks for his school..
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I guess I'm a 1911 curmudgeon, but not in the typical sense. I genuinely like the feel of a 1911, and absolutely hate the feel of all the plastic pistols I've ever handled. I have added dislike for the glock because it's fugly. It looks like the toy "guns" we made as kids but cutting up a 1x1 and nailing it together, and spray painting it black.

If you prefer a glock, good on ya. I'll keep my 100yo technology that is still kicking ass, and has no difficulty keeping up with TNKOTB.
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Most folks, like the one above, like the 1911 because its some sort of fashion statement. Tactical Jewelry, if you will. Its cool to like the old shit, and cast away modern advances.

Myself, I carry a gun because I may have to shoot someone in the face. I want something that will make this as efficient and easy as possible. After carrying the 1911 all day, every day for a few years, I decided there was a better way. While the 1911 is cool, and has soul, soul dont kill folks.
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Most folks, like the one above, like the 1911 because its some sort of fashion statement. Tactical Jewelry, if you will. Its cool to like the old shit, and cast away modern advances.

Myself, I carry a gun because I may have to shoot someone in the face. I want something that will make this as efficient and easy as possible. After carrying the 1911 all day, every day for a few years, I decided there was a better way. While the 1911 is cool, and has soul, soul dont kill folks.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Meh...1911s are the coolest.
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I was referring go your fashion statement and tactical jewelry nonsense.
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I was referring go your fashion statement and tactical jewelry nonsense.
Ahh...

The 1911 has been transformed from a nearly obsolete weapon, to a fashion statement. I thought it was a fairly simple statement.
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I was referring go your fashion statement and tactical jewelry nonsense.
I understand him. You talk to 10 guys about 1911s and 9 of them mention the looks, usually first or second thing.
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That's NOT why mine is stainless

I'm in the pacific northwet, I don't want it to rust. Other than that the inherant good looks of the thing just can't be avoided
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Last year, I took a defensive pistol class that lasted all day. Four guys and three instructors all had Glocks. One guy brought his S&W or a Taurus clone of one. (Sorry, doesn't matter which in my mind; it was one of those chrome/nickel/stainless looking things that the cops carried in the eighties.)

When that guy was next to me on the firing line, I was nervous. He wasn't comfortable with it and it was painfully obvious that he didn't shoot it a lot. He had to stop and figure out the drill every time he drew, reloaded, or moved to the high ready position. After an hour, it came apart. Not "jammed up", not "failed to return to battery", not "failed to fire"...it fell apart. It fell the fuck apart.

Pieces fell off onto the ground while he looked at the useless metal in his hand and wondered where it had all gone wrong. Four other guys looked at him and the pieces lying on the ground for about one and a half seconds and went right back to punching holes in targets.

The instructor lent him a G19 and when the class was over, he left to go buy one.



If I knew I was going into a situation where I absolutely, positively was going to need to shoot at someone and getting the pistol into action quickly was NOT the concern, then I would take my 1911. Otherwise, I cannot afford the amount of practice and training I would want before feeling comfortable using mine for defense in an "out in the open, spur of the moment" situation.

But for every day carry, ease of use under pressure, dependability, and other reasons that I'm sure I'll think of later, I have a bevy of Glocks that are all capable of going concealed and being used when it matters.
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So....he has something against single action? I personally think the 1911 (and the like) is a good piece of equipment. There's nothing wrong with a manual safety, you can feel safer with one in the chamber knowing you have 2 actions before you can fire (safety, cock it). Not just Pull-Point-Bang...
It's safe, simple and reliable. I fail to see what's wrong with that
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There's nothing wrong with a manual safety, you can feel safer with one in the chamber knowing you have 2 actions before you can fire (safety, cock it).
You can't click the safety off, then cock it.
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