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Al Kaholick · 05-03-2003, 05:25 PM

where can I get one? Im really not very knowledgeable about guns but would like to have one. I think there are kits to build them, but I havent had much luck with a yahoo search. Anyone know a good kit? I do know that I want a pistol not a rifle, other than that Im pretty open.

Berg · 05-03-2003, 05:40 PM

It should be a law that all the Gansta's use black powder weapons.. it would make the drive by shootings interesting!

Lil Uzi · 05-03-2003, 05:40 PM

Cabellas has finished guns for under $200 IIRC. Lots of fun.
Cabellas

Revolvers

ForestCam · 05-03-2003, 06:43 PM

You'll shoot your eye out!

nakona · 05-03-2003, 06:47 PM

Everything you need to know is right here.

Mo · 05-03-2003, 06:57 PM

goddam racist firearms

Hef · 05-03-2003, 08:09 PM

By assault rifles instead.

Hef

Hickeyjones · 05-03-2003, 09:58 PM

How bout a black powder canon? I used to have a 35 mm, made a lot of noise..

TexasBlake · 05-03-2003, 09:59 PM

Why's it gotta be black yo?

Al Kaholick · 05-03-2003, 10:58 PM

how about this one?link

Mtn.Mike · 05-04-2003, 07:10 AM

Try this link. It has kits and complete rifles.
www.dixiegun.com/

jds4x43 · 05-04-2003, 07:46 AM

If you want a pistol then stay away from from the "hogleg" pistols as in the link you posted, most of them are not very accurate and they are kind hard to hold on to and load at the same time. If you are not familiar with muzzleloading shooting and the gun care rituals that go along with it then I highly reccomend a stainless pistol, they don't rust if you don't clean them perfectly. Cabela's has some pretty good deals on their guns. For a beginner, start with a cheap Italian pistol until you learn to shoot it and learn to clean it religiously. Only buy a pistol with a top strap over the cylinder, an built on a steel frame. Brass framed, strapless pitols are cheaper to buy but after extended use the frame will bend down just in front of the cylinder and that causes major problems, for the gun and you. If you are looking to purchase a very good gun then I would highly reccomend anything by Thompson Center, CVA is another pretty good name although their quality isn't as good as TC.

If you have anymore questions let me know I'll try to help you. I've been shooting muzzleloaders since I was 5. I shoot for fun, hunt with them, and shoot semi-competively.

John

nakona · 05-04-2003, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jds4x43
If you want a pistol then stay away from from the "hogleg" pistols as in the link you posted, most of them are not very accurate and they are kind hard to hold on to and load at the same time.

Never had any problem with mine and I can break feathers at 25 yards with it.

AzWebMan · 05-04-2003, 05:41 PM

I was thinking about buying a Hawkins 50 Cal a while back. Found out Walmart doesn't stock them, but they can get them. They had a catalog that they let me browse through. Seems like they had kits and already built Muzzle Loaders from every major vendor.

nakona · 05-04-2003, 05:58 PM

Don't buy a kit, even if someone else has already assembled it.

Factory rifles have a lifetime warranty on the barrel. Kits don't.

(Talking about Thompson-Center here, and assuming their policy hasn't changed in the last few years.)

Rockcrusher · 05-04-2003, 06:19 PM

The most popular front stuffin' long guns would be .45, .50, .54 and .58 calibre. Short guns can be had in .36 caliber.

If you're just going to play around the .45 is OK. For deer hunting in CA I would go with a .50 or a .54 caliber. If elk or pig hunting is your thing go for the .58 cal. Stick with a percussion gun 'cause flinters can be a pain in the ass.

Check out these guys

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/

Always remember . . . Powder - Patch - Ball

0ILBURNER · 05-05-2003, 11:42 AM

Good buddy of mine bought a .50 cal black powder job at Bass Pro Shop. It came with synthetic (read plastic) stock and an el cheapo scope, but after about 5 reloads, I could hit a coke can (looking at it's top) every time @ 120 yards.

Danger Ranger · 05-05-2003, 01:19 PM

Yeah everyone arm up! soon you'll only be allowed to defend your freedom with a flint lock

SilverZuk · 05-05-2003, 01:35 PM

Get a dixie gunworks catalog and also a book on blackpowder shooting.

You may want to shoot someone else's before buying.
Some people hate it other love it.

I'm to the point that I prefer my black powder guns to my traditional.
I love my shotgun. Go for quality. I’ve had several cheap one’s, and the barrels wear out after several years. Thompson Center, Marlin, Knight and Hale, etc. You get what you pay for.

You HAVE to clean them after each day of shooting, even if you shoot once. They make “clean shot powder” that is a smokeless powder converted to function in BP guns. I still don’t trust it. I clean them every time. Some people hate this fact, but if you put it up dirty it will be junk overnight.

I’m still waiting fore someone to come out with a cherry flavored powder or cleaner. My wife hates the rotten egg smell every time I clean them in the house.

SanDiegoCJ · 05-05-2003, 01:41 PM

A while back I got a chance to shoot a buddies original .52cal
rifled Sharps. Lots of fun. The only problem is waited for the
cloud of smoke to clear so you can see the target again.

SilverZuk · 05-05-2003, 01:48 PM

I hunt with mine.
I have shot deer and afterwards you see several deer run off and don't have a clue if one was the one I was aiming for.

You have to take several steps away to see around the cloud of smoke.
The shotgun is the same way. Small game involves shooting, listening for a thud (if airborne or in a tree), then a thorough search in the vicinity to find it.

It's much more challenging than traditional firearms.

Sharps are fine rifles, I have shot the 45-70 quite a bit.
We were using modern cartridges in a repro gun.

nakona · 05-05-2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockcrusher
If you're just going to play around the .45 is OK. For deer hunting in CA I would go with a .50 or a .54 caliber. If elk or pig hunting is your thing go for the .58 cal. Stick with a percussion gun 'cause flinters can be a pain in the ass.

Just get a .50 and carry .490 balls with .010 patch.

It's the most popular caliber and if for some reason you forget something at home and have to buy at the last minute or borrow from another hunter you'll be OK.
That's because while you might have to settle for an .015 patch or a .495 ball, you'll only add up to .505 and you can still ram that home.

Plus there ain't no game in NA that you can't kill with a .50, although on anything bigger than a deer I suggest buffalo bullets instead of roundball.

Aron82 · 05-06-2003, 12:44 AM

Here is my double barrel 44 cap and ball pistol. This thing is a blast to shoot. the only marking on the gun is corsair and Italy.
I would get a cartridge rifle before buying a black powder. They are fun to shoot, and fairly cheep too.

bluebellyday · 05-06-2003, 04:18 AM

There is only one name you need to know when it comes to
blackpowder shooting or hunting.

Thompson Center

05-03-2003, 05:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
Al Kaholick Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6421 Location: Citrus Heights Posts: 2,796	Black powder guns where can I get one? Im really not very knowledgeable about guns but would like to have one. I think there are kits to build them, but I havent had much luck with a yahoo search. Anyone know a good kit? I do know that I want a pistol not a rifle, other than that Im pretty open. __________________ [QUOTE=anvil] your very informative reply has been noted. I think this is the same type of logic you used to draw your conclusion. Place banana in your ear. Observe that there is no alligators around. Conclude bananas placed in ears keep aligators away. [/QUOTE]

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Lil Uzi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6359 Location: Placer County, CA Where the Green Grass Grows Posts: 1,661	Cabellas Cabellas has finished guns for under $200 IIRC. Lots of fun. Cabellas Revolvers __________________ not surprized yer confused yer face was burried in the pillow pretty deep as gizim drunk as you were Last edited by Lil Uzi; 05-03-2003 at 05:41 PM.

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Berg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2000 Member # 1176 Location: Utah Posts: 2,474	It should be a law that all the Gansta's use black powder weapons.. it would make the drive by shootings interesting!

05-03-2003, 06:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,650	goddam racist firearms

05-03-2003, 09:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hickeyjones Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14570 Location: Gray-antsville, Yoo-TAH Posts: 924	How bout a black powder canon? I used to have a 35 mm, made a lot of noise..

05-03-2003, 09:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
TexasBlake El Guapo Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 9722 Location: ColoradoBlake Posts: 4,736	Why's it gotta be black yo?

05-03-2003, 10:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Al Kaholick Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6421 Location: Citrus Heights Posts: 2,796	how about this one?link __________________ [QUOTE=anvil] your very informative reply has been noted. I think this is the same type of logic you used to draw your conclusion. Place banana in your ear. Observe that there is no alligators around. Conclude bananas placed in ears keep aligators away. [/QUOTE]

05-04-2003, 07:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mtn.Mike Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8567 Location: Top of Mt.Shasta Posts: 123	Try this link. It has kits and complete rifles. www.dixiegun.com/ __________________ The oxen plows slowly But the earth is patient !

05-04-2003, 07:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
jds4x43 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12092 Location: Kansas City Mo Posts: 141	If you want a pistol then stay away from from the "hogleg" pistols as in the link you posted, most of them are not very accurate and they are kind hard to hold on to and load at the same time. If you are not familiar with muzzleloading shooting and the gun care rituals that go along with it then I highly reccomend a stainless pistol, they don't rust if you don't clean them perfectly. Cabela's has some pretty good deals on their guns. For a beginner, start with a cheap Italian pistol until you learn to shoot it and learn to clean it religiously. Only buy a pistol with a top strap over the cylinder, an built on a steel frame. Brass framed, strapless pitols are cheaper to buy but after extended use the frame will bend down just in front of the cylinder and that causes major problems, for the gun and you. If you are looking to purchase a very good gun then I would highly reccomend anything by Thompson Center, CVA is another pretty good name although their quality isn't as good as TC. If you have anymore questions let me know I'll try to help you. I've been shooting muzzleloaders since I was 5. I shoot for fun, hunt with them, and shoot semi-competively. John __________________ HOLD MY BEER!!!... AND WATCH THIS GUYS!!!... the famous last words before something expensive goes boom!

05-04-2003, 05:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
AzWebMan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7449 Location: Phoenix, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,044	I was thinking about buying a Hawkins 50 Cal a while back. Found out Walmart doesn't stock them, but they can get them. They had a catalog that they let me browse through. Seems like they had kits and already built Muzzle Loaders from every major vendor. __________________ - Mike Enuntiatio Frigidus Latinus

05-04-2003, 05:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
nakona Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10546 Location: Rock Creek, Ohio Posts: 724	Don't buy a kit, even if someone else has already assembled it. Factory rifles have a lifetime warranty on the barrel. Kits don't. (Talking about Thompson-Center here, and assuming their policy hasn't changed in the last few years.) __________________ [COLOR=Black].[/COLOR] [b][color=green]EARTH FIRST!!![/color][/b] [i][b][color=red]Make Mars our bitch![/color][/b][/i] [b]#chmod a+x /bin/laden[/b] [b]#cat nippleheads >/dev/null[/b] [i][b][color=blue]"Yeah, well, they bugged me... with their Frenchness." [/color][/b] -- Space Ghost, when asked why he zapped Paris[/i] [COLOR=Black].[/COLOR]

05-04-2003, 06:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rockcrusher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2000 Member # 1372 Location: Just east of Tahoe Posts: 1,514	The most popular front stuffin' long guns would be .45, .50, .54 and .58 calibre. Short guns can be had in .36 caliber. If you're just going to play around the .45 is OK. For deer hunting in CA I would go with a .50 or a .54 caliber. If elk or pig hunting is your thing go for the .58 cal. Stick with a percussion gun 'cause flinters can be a pain in the ass. Check out these guys http://www.trackofthewolf.com/ Always remember . . . Powder - Patch - Ball __________________ Rockcrusher I've already been to hell . . . Anything more is a minor inconvenience!!

05-05-2003, 11:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
0ILBURNER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5829 Location: Memfrica Posts: 1,851	Good buddy of mine bought a .50 cal black powder job at Bass Pro Shop. It came with synthetic (read plastic) stock and an el cheapo scope, but after about 5 reloads, I could hit a coke can (looking at it's top) every time @ 120 yards.

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Danger Ranger Driven by hate Join Date: Jul 2000 Member # 1234 Location: Clearlake, Ca Posts: 5,398 Blog Entries: 1	Yeah everyone arm up! soon you'll only be allowed to defend your freedom with a flint lock __________________ You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!

05-05-2003, 01:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
SilverZuk Hillbilly Houndsman Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13420 Location: Kenna, West Virginia Posts: 6,823	Get a dixie gunworks catalog and also a book on blackpowder shooting. You may want to shoot someone else's before buying. Some people hate it other love it. I'm to the point that I prefer my black powder guns to my traditional. I love my shotgun. Go for quality. I’ve had several cheap one’s, and the barrels wear out after several years. Thompson Center, Marlin, Knight and Hale, etc. You get what you pay for. You HAVE to clean them after each day of shooting, even if you shoot once. They make “clean shot powder” that is a smokeless powder converted to function in BP guns. I still don’t trust it. I clean them every time. Some people hate this fact, but if you put it up dirty it will be junk overnight. I’m still waiting fore someone to come out with a cherry flavored powder or cleaner. My wife hates the rotten egg smell every time I clean them in the house. __________________ The penalty for punching someone in the mouth is way too high in our society. www.MountaineerOffroad.com

05-05-2003, 01:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
SanDiegoCJ Non-Lemming Join Date: May 2000 Member # 840 Location: Ramona Posts: 16,251	A while back I got a chance to shoot a buddies original .52cal rifled Sharps. Lots of fun. The only problem is waited for the cloud of smoke to clear so you can see the target again.

05-05-2003, 01:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
SilverZuk Hillbilly Houndsman Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13420 Location: Kenna, West Virginia Posts: 6,823	I hunt with mine. I have shot deer and afterwards you see several deer run off and don't have a clue if one was the one I was aiming for. You have to take several steps away to see around the cloud of smoke. The shotgun is the same way. Small game involves shooting, listening for a thud (if airborne or in a tree), then a thorough search in the vicinity to find it. It's much more challenging than traditional firearms. Sharps are fine rifles, I have shot the 45-70 quite a bit. We were using modern cartridges in a repro gun. __________________ The penalty for punching someone in the mouth is way too high in our society. www.MountaineerOffroad.com

05-06-2003, 12:44 AM	#23 (permalink)
Aron82 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 3000 Location: Seeley Lake, Montana, United States Posts: 441	Here is my double barrel 44 cap and ball pistol. This thing is a blast to shoot. the only marking on the gun is corsair and Italy. I would get a cartridge rifle before buying a black powder. They are fun to shoot, and fairly cheep too.

05-06-2003, 04:18 AM	#24 (permalink)
bluebellyday Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5959 Location: Delaware Posts: 328	There is only one name you need to know when it comes to blackpowder shooting or hunting. Thompson Center Last edited by bluebellyday; 05-06-2003 at 04:22 AM.

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