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usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 07:00 PM

What the fuck is this round.
FMJ, copper bullet Headstamp:308W at 12 Oclock, circles at 9 and 3 Oclock, 83 at 6 Oclock.(pics if you need them can be got)
I got as much as its Sellier & Bellot but is it corrosive?

animator · 12-02-2005, 07:15 PM

I assume it's non-NATO?? No circle-cross stamping?

Getsome · 12-02-2005, 07:28 PM

Sounds like military ammo that was made in 1983. Is this surplus stuff?

camodan · 12-02-2005, 07:35 PM

It appears to be S&B Czech stuff, corrosive. That's about all I can find for now. Probably didn't help much.

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 07:49 PM

this is it.

I just want to what the fuck it is

alli have read about corrosive ammo is wash with water or windex and then clean as normal.

NY_crawler · 12-02-2005, 07:53 PM

From the guys at the gun store I talked to said corrosive is fine to use as long as you do a good cleaning. Why would you use water or windex first? What does that do?

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NY_crawler

From the guys at the gun store I talked to said corrosive is fine to use as long as you do a good cleaning. Why would you use water or windex first? What does that do?

neutralize the corrosive salts

animator · 12-02-2005, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NY_crawler

From the guys at the gun store I talked to said corrosive is fine to use as long as you do a good cleaning. Why would you use water or windex first? What does that do?

ammonia in the windex neutralises the acid from the primers.

I shoot corrosive in my mosin all the time with no problems. Just give it a good cleaning right after shooting.

NY_crawler · 12-02-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

neutralize the corrosive salts

Ah ok. And just using solvent like Hoppes 9 will not?

Brain · 12-02-2005, 08:11 PM

S&B from '83 and most likely corrosive. Only sure way to know is to pull the bullet and test the primer on bare carbon steel.

Is the bullet steel core?

Did these come sealed in battle packs? Crate?

The reason you use water to clean up after firing corrosive is the same reason it is used to clean black powder. Water dissolves the corrosive salt residue leftover from the ignition. Oil base cleaners will not dissolve salts as well as plain old water.

Clean as you normally would after the water treatment. You will know within 24-48hrs if you didn't get it all out.

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NY_crawler

Ah ok. And just using solvent like Hoppes 9 will not?

ya but i prefer not to just dump a bottle of Hoppes down my barrel and action as its kind pricey

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brain

S&B from '83 and most likely corrosive. Only sure way to know is to pull the bullet and test the primer on bare carbon steel.

Is the bullet steel core?

Did these come sealed in battle packs? Crate?

The reason you use water to clean up after firing corrosive is the same reason it is used to clean black powder. Water dissolves the corrosive salt residue leftover from the ignition. Oil base cleaners will not dissolve salts as well as plain old water.

Clean as you normally would after the water treatment. You will know within 24-48hrs if you didn't get it all out.

no clue on core.
light blue paper boxes marked exactly "20pcs .308 Winchester (7,62 x 51 mm) "

I believe they ARE corrosive as my barrel (used gun) is pitted inside and looks rough. The lands/grooves are sharp but it just looks "dirty" even after cleaning.
(i have a spare barrel, i just want to see how this will shoot first)

Brain · 12-02-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

no clue on core.

Put a magnet to the bullet and see if it sticks. Sticks hard=steel jacket=bad for rifling, or if it barely sticks=steel core.

Have a bullet puller?

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brain

Put a magnet to the bullet and see if it sticks. Sticks hard=steel jacket=bad for rifling, or if it barely sticks=steel core.

Have a bullet puller?

sticks HARD

copper wash? (doesnt seem that way)

yes i have a bullet puller

you need a description or pics?

Brain · 12-02-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

sticks HARD

copper wash? (doesnt seem that way)

yes i have a bullet puller

you need a description or pics?

Probably a copper plating over steel jacket. However, I have seen the copper wash to prevent corrosion on ammo made in 3rd world countries which didn't put much $ into their ammo.

Take some copper solvent (sweets 7.62) to the bullet and see how thick the coating is. If it is a thin coat and you value your new bbl I wouldn't recommend shooting the stuff through it.

No pics, I know what you're looking at.

Nice bullet puller by the way. You should get an inertia puller. Doubles as a good cat thumper.

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 08:57 PM

well i cant scrape it off so i know its not a wash, I will cut one in half tomorow.

so what is this shit good for (besides plinking) armor piercing abilities? good penitration, spalling? distance?

Brain · 12-02-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

well i cant scrape it off so i know its not a wash, I will cut one in half tomorow.

so what is this shit good for (besides plinking) armor piercing abilities? good penitration, spalling? distance?

It will go through soft armor and through thin non-armor-rated metal stuff like car doors and the like. I'm guessing that it is 147gr so you're probably looking at an effective penetration distance of 500yds depending on the target. Spalling effectiveness is >500yds on concrete.

usmcdoc14 · 12-02-2005, 09:09 PM

well, lets see what it does at the range tomorow

thank you for the info you have redeemed yourself from any previous lack of ballistic information

surpip · 12-02-2005, 09:52 PM

spalling? what is that?

usmcdoc14 · 12-03-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by surpip

spalling? what is that?

shoot brick/concrete/ballistic proof glass and it throws large chunks out of the unprotected side with enough force to hurt/kill.

your target is behind a concrete wall, you know "where" he is, you shoot wall, you dont kill him with the actual bullet but with the chucks of high velocity concrete blown off the backside.

Rugger99 · 12-03-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

your target is behind a concrete wall, you know "where" he is, you shoot wall, you dont kill him with the actual bullet but with the chucks of high velocity concrete blown off the backside.

Or you chuckle to yourself and hit him and his "protective" wall with a burst of .50 cal

usmcdoc14 · 12-03-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugger99

Or you chuckle to yourself and hit him and his "protective" wall with a burst of .50 cal

or an AT-4

but for my "home" aplication i would rather lay down a bunch of cheap 7.62NATO as i cant afford a .50 or the ammo for it

Too bad they got/getting rid of the SMAW it is a great anti-sniper weapon (I am an "unofficaly trained 0351)

Rugger99 · 12-03-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

Too bad they got/getting rid of the SMAW it is a great anti-sniper weapon (I am an "unofficaly trained 0351)

WTF???? I hadn't heard anything about that

SMAW is an awesome weapon with many uses.....especially with the NE round

usmcdoc14 · 12-03-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugger99

WTF???? I hadn't heard anything about that

SMAW is an awesome weapon with many uses.....especially with the NE round

yup, i believe they are going to the Javlin

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usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,157	this is it. I just want to what the fuck it is alli have read about corrosive ammo is wash with water or windex and then clean as normal. Attached Images __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight.

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usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,157	well i cant scrape it off so i know its not a wash, I will cut one in half tomorow. so what is this shit good for (besides plinking) armor piercing abilities? good penitration, spalling? distance? __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight.

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camodan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27601 Location: Deer Island, OR Posts: 194	It appears to be S&B Czech stuff, corrosive. That's about all I can find for now. Probably didn't help much.

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NY_crawler Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24724 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 802	From the guys at the gun store I talked to said corrosive is fine to use as long as you do a good cleaning. Why would you use water or windex first? What does that do?

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Brain Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5233 Location: Ole Virginny Posts: 237	S&B from '83 and most likely corrosive. Only sure way to know is to pull the bullet and test the primer on bare carbon steel. Is the bullet steel core? Did these come sealed in battle packs? Crate? The reason you use water to clean up after firing corrosive is the same reason it is used to clean black powder. Water dissolves the corrosive salt residue leftover from the ignition. Oil base cleaners will not dissolve salts as well as plain old water. Clean as you normally would after the water treatment. You will know within 24-48hrs if you didn't get it all out.

12-02-2005, 09:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,157	well, lets see what it does at the range tomorow thank you for the info you have redeemed yourself from any previous lack of ballistic information __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight.

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