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Old 12-25-2005, 12:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This next session on queer guns for the strait guy we take a tacky grey S&W SW9V and make it a fashionable Olive drab green.
FABULOUS !!!

now every body HATES the Sigma series S&W pistols. Why? because they have a trigger pull that was made harder than Benz0 at the SEMA show to make the anti-gun crowd happy.
I showed you how to fix that here http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ighlight=sigma
Some people claim reliability issues. I have put 1k at least threw this gun with no malfunction at all using the cheapest ammo known to man. so i have no clue what they are talking about there.
Its accurate as hell. frighteningly accurate.
Its a fucking Glock clone. Its a Glock clone to the point Glock brought legal issues to S&W. I actualy replaced the plastic guide rod with a slightly modified stainless steel Glock guiderod.
But one hate that I can agree to is the 1st generation was offered in the most funky "toy gun" like grey plastic frame shown here:

WTF?
the good thing is you can get these little bastards for dirt cheap because of that
A lot of plastic can be dyed. I learned this in my R/C car days (LOTS of info can be got from R/C car forums on how to dye plastic) So I went and got some RIT dye with the goal of OD green, If I fucked it up It would be dyed black.
Black covers up everything
here is a rit dye mixing chart http://www.ritdye.com/color_recipes.asp

You also will need the following:
Kosher salt
a pan big enough to put the fame in and cover with water
laundry detergent.

Strip the gun of anything you don't want dyed or can corrode. clean the shit out of the gun in the sink with dishwashing detergent to COMPLETELY degrease it.
Fill the pan with it enough water to cover the gun and heat on the stove till its simmering. Add the dye, 1/4 cup salt, 1 tsp laundry detergent. Keep the mixture hot a little below simmering. "hot" is a good generic setting, just not "boiling"
Dump the gun in and stir it around to make sure no air bubbles are on/in it.

CHECK THE COLOR EVERY MIN OR SO !!! when it looks right pull it out and rinse well in cold water. let it completely dry and look at in different light (more on this later) if it needs to be darker, plop it back in.
If you are doing black just leave the fucker in for a half hour, turn off the stove and remove it when its cool. Its black, you cant fuck it up.

and TAADAAAAA one OD green pistol on ass of course


some notes: The color of my pistol is different in different light. In direct sun its obviously OD green. In tungsten light its a muddy brown/green. The pistol is not finished as i will be coating the slide black.
If you notice my pistol has an accessory rail Its a fucking plastic frame gun so drill and mount away. I took a cheap ass picatinny rail and ground it till it was the right height and perfectly matched the profile of the frame. Its held in place by 2 button head screws that are in the inside. They had to be ground down a little to clear the slide. Its quite solid.

The dye color will not go completely threw the frame. you have to use a pressure dye method to do that. its deep enough that you cant scratch it but if you drill into the frame you can see it. And if it pisses me off i will just dye it black. Black can be re-dyed easily
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Old 12-25-2005, 12:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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both the ass and the weapon
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So you used the glock guide, what did you have to do to make it work? I was looking into the lasermaxx for a glock and trying to make it work.
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So you used the glock guide, what did you have to do to make it work? I was looking into the lasermaxx for a glock and trying to make it work.
it would have worked fine as is (glock 22/19 guiderod) but sticks 1/8 past the slide end. I trimmed it back and re-countersunk the threaded end (captive rod) for cosmetics.
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So you used the glock guide, what did you have to do to make it work? I was looking into the lasermaxx for a glock and trying to make it work.
well after looking at the design of the lasermax for the glock 19 (what guiderod i used on mine) It "may" work but i dont know how well it is going to hold a zero
(actualy I have no clue how it holds a zero in a glock)
It would only stick out a tiny bit more than a glock. the only issue I can think of is the slide catch/power thing is going to work as I dont have a glock to compare mine to.
Get one from a place that has no problems with returns and give is a shot. If it does work make sure you post up how well it works
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Cool. So, for those of us with huge hands, what would be a good "disposable frame" semi auto to look for. (even my 1922A1 feels small)
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Cool. So, for those of us with huge hands, what would be a good "disposable frame" semi auto to look for. (even my 1922A1 feels small)
Its definitely a full size gun, and the frame life of a polymer i would not call disposable
The grip angle is a little better than a glock. and with the grip tape that fucker feels sweet It likes to be shot.

I may pick up another 1st generation in the same cal (9mm) or whatever offering they have.
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So just how cheap can one of these be had for?
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So just how cheap can one of these be had for?
under $300 sometimes used for under $250
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So just how cheap can one of these be had for?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=41925186

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=41744892

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=41731626

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HEY! I want my money back! There is no gun in that pic All I see is a NICE ass!

I bought my last wife a Sigma 380 when they came out. I conveniently repo'd it when things started going south. Good little concealed pocket gun. A little anemic with the 380 though. The Sigmas do have a nice grip angle. Mine was black... gun that is.
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Hmmm... I kinda like the black frame & silver slide.

Maybe I'll find someone to buy my HiPoint 40 and then I'll upgrade
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question, where is the cheapest place to buy ammo in bulk?
getting a .44 mag need cheap ammo to shoot
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ok i'm here now! i was at my mom's house for christmas today. when there was some slow time i jumped on her computer to check out pbb. of course the first thing that catches my eye is this thread. i was looking at the before and after pictures and skimming over the text. my mom decided to look over my shoulder at this time to see what i am looking at. i was so curious about the gun i didn't even notice the ass. i don't think my mom did either as she didn't say anything about it .

any way it looks good (both ). that may be enough convincing for me to try it. it is still scary with an irreplaceable (for me living in ca) weapon. i may try it in od green first just to be different. if it's no good i can allways do black.
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question, where is the cheapest place to buy ammo in bulk?
getting a .44 mag need cheap ammo to shoot
www.ammunitionstore.com
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Sometimes I hate that my sensible side keeps me from blowing wads of cash on things like handguns
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Cool. So, for those of us with huge hands, what would be a good "disposable frame" semi auto to look for. (even my 1922A1 feels small)
WTF is a 1922A1?
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Sometimes I hate that my sensible side keeps me from blowing wads of cash on things like handguns

i am starting to have one of those sensible sides now. the next pistol i want is a springfield trp operator. i can't shoot pistols worth a shit so it is kind of hard to justify spending $1300 on one. but it's so fuggin cooool
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Cool. So, for those of us with huge hands, what would be a good "disposable frame" semi auto to look for. (even my 1922A1 feels small)
I have the opposite problem. The 9mm and the 45 feel too big for me. The Bursa(sp) 380 that Gil has is perfect for me. I don't feel like I barely have a grip on that one.
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I have the opposite problem. The 9mm and the 45 feel too big for me. The Bursa(sp) 380 that Gil has is perfect for me. I don't feel like I barely have a grip on that one.
My wife finds the Bersa quite comfortable as well, and even my larger hands find that the Bersa 380 is not all that uncomfortable - which surprises me, to be honest. I figured it would feel like a toy, but it does not.
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My wife finds the Bersa quite comfortable as well, and even my larger hands find that the Bersa 380 is not all that uncomfortable - which surprises me, to be honest. I figured it would feel like a toy, but it does not.
That was the first one Roxy shot when she was out here. She liked it too
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thx, looks like $13.77 for 50 .44mag

damn 44s are double the cost of a 9, should have bought a sigma 9 for $300 those are a deal!

cabals has bulk in up to 1200 rounds but the link I found lasdt night was redirecting me to another page.

1st link worked 2nd was clinking on there ammo????????
link1
http://www.cabelas.com/information/H...on0022871.html

lI can't even show 2nd link in full it won't show up here either.
just go to 1st link & clink ammo link & see.

I'll have to give them a call

EDIT I GOT IT TO WORK

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...questid=103082


they are the highest priced of them all, .35 ea per 1200 or .40 ea per 300
I can buy 50 at .27 at 1 of those links you posted
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