Doc's new Project: 9mm AK-47 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

usmcdoc14 · 08-24-2006, 04:28 PM

This is for the advance level build your own fucking assualt weapon students

what I am doing is building an 9mm blowback operated rifle using a suomi 9mm sub-machinegun barrel and magazines and ak-47 reciever and fire control group. The project started as a from scratch upper and using a FAL lower but it brought the suck

and what was odd is at the same time I was saying "Fuck it, I will use an AK reciever" is when I saw other nutjobs doing the same thing on gunsnet.net. One person over there made my life a LOT easier but we will get to that later.

Here is a rough mock up of the weapon to show what it will sorta look like when done. Please note that the barrel in the pic is just a chunk of spare AK barrel not the one to be used when its done.

Components:
AlohaRover AK-47 Receievr blank
Romanian AK-47 front trunnion, grip,bolt carrier,Gas tube and rear sight block
milled AK trigger guard
Tapco G3 FCG
FAL front gas block
Tapco FAL picatinny dust cover

(YES it will work)
Suomi barrel and drum magazine
AK-74 bolt

Now I am making a blowback weapon so the gas portion of the AK is being kept for weight (inertia and delay) and for alignment. But the AK is a locking bolt weapon and I need a fixed bolt.
TAAAADAAAAA!!!!! mill out the bolt carrier for the 74 bolt to fit in the locked position.

Now the reason I am using a 74 bolt is its face diameter is 10mm so it will fit and feed a 9mm round perfect. you WILL have to sleeve it to fit the 47 carrier.
here it is is the rear locked position:

And side view:

I also REMOVED the locking lugs inside the front trunion. first by just leaving the flats but then as I fit and finished I found I had to shorten the distance fron the barrel to the feed ramp to assure good feed. I ended up taking a good inch off the back of the trunnion.

The bolt is now guided and kept in track by well...the fucking guide rails

usmcdoc14 · 08-24-2006, 04:43 PM

Now you can go and cut up an old soumi magazine well OR

you can cheat and use this guys'
http://www.lichtenbergresearch.com/index.html
His shit is pimp and very well made and has a feed ramp built in.

and If you slide his right up to the bottom of the guide rails it is a perfect fit and feed

Now here is the distance from the magazine to the barrel position

Now I kept the side part of the trunnion as it will be part of my bolt block that will act as a stop for the forward movement of the bolt and assure correct headspacing and not wear the bolt face.
Here is the veiw from the magwell to the ejector

And this is how much the trunnion is moved BACK !!

so YES I will have to cut down the bolt the firing pin and the recoil spring.

Now for something neat

I had a spare Tapco FAL rail cover and was mocking it near the ak and found that if I add side dust "skirts" it is a FAWKING PERFECT FIT !! So it will have a full rail and will hinge off where the old rear sight used to be. it mates perfectly

so it will hinge on the front and have a solid mount on the rear. The recoil spring will NOT touch the dust cover. And once I find some cheap STEEL picatinny rails I will chop the FAL front gas block and run rail on that AND the gas tube and use AR flip up sights that will co-witness with an EO Tech

Hef · 08-24-2006, 06:07 PM

That is what I would call "Frankensubgun". It just screams out, "BETCHA CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ME BLOW UP!", though I am confident enough in your work to know it won't.

Fawking sweeeeeet.

animator · 08-24-2006, 09:49 PM

I've got a spare AK receiver and a suomi parts kit just collecting dust...

so once you get yours finished I might have to copy it

Frankenyota · 08-24-2006, 09:49 PM

Holy shit Doc, you are definitely to the PhD level of "gunfuckery". I hope the thing works out for ya! I got to shoot a real (FA) AK a couple weeks ago, it was ok but my semi AK pistol is just as much fun, bumping a 75 rd drum rocks.

aloharover · 08-25-2006, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

Now for something neat

I had a spare Tapco FAL rail cover and was mocking it near the ak and found that if I add side dust "skirts" it is a FAWKING PERFECT FIT !! So it will have a full rail and will hinge off where the old rear sight used to be. it mates perfectly:

Awsome tip. Going to have to get one of those and give it a try for my FAK-308 Carbine

aloharover · 08-25-2006, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

Components:
AlohaRover AK-47 Receievr blank

whoot. Glad it is serving a purpose other then a paperweight.

Joe_W · 08-25-2006, 06:01 AM

Just curious, how does the chubby jesus-lover roommate react when she comes home and finds you sitting at the coffee table with evil black gun parts spread all over, deathmetal cranked on the stereo and porn on the computer screen?

animator · 08-25-2006, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_W

Just curious, how does the chubby jesus-lover roommate react when she comes home and finds you sitting at the coffee table with evil black gun parts spread all over, deathmetal cranked on the stereo and porn on the computer screen?

Perfect examples of why I'm single..

0ILBURNER · 08-25-2006, 06:44 AM

Wow - that's some hard-core weapon fab shit right there, man.
So much for interchangeable parts!
I'd love to see a vid when you get it working

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharover

Awsome tip. Going to have to get one of those and give it a try for my FAK-308 Carbine

I will post pics of the skirting and shit so you have an easy time of it. I am just debating if i want a "flat" ass to the gun to the stock mounting (gonna make it a folder) or if I want to machine a chunk of aluminum to give it a more "tapered" ass like the top end of a MP5 or a G3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_W

Just curious, how does the chubby jesus-lover roommate react when she comes home and finds you sitting at the coffee table with evil black gun parts spread all over, deathmetal cranked on the stereo and porn on the computer screen?

well she is from Virginia so guns are a part of life. I turn off my porn when its not used and she listens to punk so the death metal aint gonna do shit

dammit, no emotional truma

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hef

That is what I would call "Frankensubgun". It just screams out, "BETCHA CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ME BLOW UP!", .

why do you think I am using a barrel with a near 1/4 thick chamber with pistol ammo

4runner · 08-25-2006, 05:28 PM

I was looking the same direction a couple weeks ago...I love the suomi shroud and comp...

4runner · 08-25-2006, 05:29 PM

oh yeah, the comp...

4runner · 08-25-2006, 05:30 PM

or you could get sidetracked...

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4runner

or you could get sidetracked...

thats simmilar to what I am thinking of doing for the ass...maybe

I too love that barrel shroud but that fucker is HEAVY !!

so I decieded to slim that heavy pig down a bit.

Mo · 08-25-2006, 07:06 PM

questions:

a. legality? paperwork necessary?

b. are you using anything more precise than a Dremel for your 'machine work'?

Frankenyota · 08-25-2006, 07:10 PM

One funny coincidence is that a good friend of mine just bought a 9mm AK. I have no idea what pieces or parts are in it, but if you'd like some pics for comparison purposes I'm sure he won't mind.

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo

questions:

a. legality? paperwork necessary?

b. are you using anything more precise than a Dremel for your 'machine work'?

A) read the "How to build an AK " thread

but to save you that time in its cliff note form = yes legal, no papers needed.

b) is there anything more precise ?

yes dremel

the only machine work that has to be balls on is the barrel and the headspacing. everything else in an AK can be "off" and work just fine...ok it can be bent in an arch and still work

Like I said, I am sitting on the living room floor and doing this build

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenyota

One funny coincidence is that a good friend of mine just bought a 9mm AK. I have no idea what pieces or parts are in it, but if you'd like some pics for comparison purposes I'm sure he won't mind.

what mags does it use?

Frankenyota · 08-25-2006, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

what mags does it use?

That was my first question too, I think it uses sten mags.

TheRedHorseman · 08-25-2006, 07:15 PM

ugh, I hate loading sten mags

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenyota

That was my first question too, I think it uses sten mags.

ya , take some pics. it culd help out someone else thinking of building one. might even have some easier ideas. but so far this fucker can not get any easier

I need to get some soumi stick magazines too

usmcdoc14 · 08-25-2006, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

ugh, I hate loading sten mags

thats why I LOVE thses drum mags.

open magazine
rotate center thing to the level you want to load
fill with rounds
place cover on
lock cover

thats it

TheRedHorseman · 08-25-2006, 07:19 PM

yup, easy like a chicom AK drum, great stuff. once I get my PPS-43/AKM hybrid done I'm definitely doing one of these, soumi drums just rock.

08-24-2006, 04:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,279	Doc's new Project: 9mm AK-47 This is for the advance level build your own fucking assualt weapon students what I am doing is building an 9mm blowback operated rifle using a suomi 9mm sub-machinegun barrel and magazines and ak-47 reciever and fire control group. The project started as a from scratch upper and using a FAL lower but it brought the suck and what was odd is at the same time I was saying "Fuck it, I will use an AK reciever" is when I saw other nutjobs doing the same thing on gunsnet.net. One person over there made my life a LOT easier but we will get to that later. Here is a rough mock up of the weapon to show what it will sorta look like when done. Please note that the barrel in the pic is just a chunk of spare AK barrel not the one to be used when its done. Components: AlohaRover AK-47 Receievr blank Romanian AK-47 front trunnion, grip,bolt carrier,Gas tube and rear sight block milled AK trigger guard Tapco G3 FCG FAL front gas block Tapco FAL picatinny dust cover (YES it will work) Suomi barrel and drum magazine AK-74 bolt Now I am making a blowback weapon so the gas portion of the AK is being kept for weight (inertia and delay) and for alignment. But the AK is a locking bolt weapon and I need a fixed bolt. TAAAADAAAAA!!!!! mill out the bolt carrier for the 74 bolt to fit in the locked position. Now the reason I am using a 74 bolt is its face diameter is 10mm so it will fit and feed a 9mm round perfect. you WILL have to sleeve it to fit the 47 carrier. here it is is the rear locked position: And side view: I also REMOVED the locking lugs inside the front trunion. first by just leaving the flats but then as I fit and finished I found I had to shorten the distance fron the barrel to the feed ramp to assure good feed. I ended up taking a good inch off the back of the trunnion. The bolt is now guided and kept in track by well...the fucking guide rails Attached Images __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight. Last edited by usmcdoc14; 08-24-2006 at 04:47 PM.

08-24-2006, 04:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,279	Now you can go and cut up an old soumi magazine well OR you can cheat and use this guys' http://www.lichtenbergresearch.com/index.html His shit is pimp and very well made and has a feed ramp built in. and If you slide his right up to the bottom of the guide rails it is a perfect fit and feed Now here is the distance from the magazine to the barrel position Now I kept the side part of the trunnion as it will be part of my bolt block that will act as a stop for the forward movement of the bolt and assure correct headspacing and not wear the bolt face. Here is the veiw from the magwell to the ejector And this is how much the trunnion is moved BACK !! so YES I will have to cut down the bolt the firing pin and the recoil spring. Now for something neat I had a spare Tapco FAL rail cover and was mocking it near the ak and found that if I add side dust "skirts" it is a FAWKING PERFECT FIT !! So it will have a full rail and will hinge off where the old rear sight used to be. it mates perfectly so it will hinge on the front and have a solid mount on the rear. The recoil spring will NOT touch the dust cover. And once I find some cheap STEEL picatinny rails I will chop the FAL front gas block and run rail on that AND the gas tube and use AR flip up sights that will co-witness with an EO Tech Attached Images __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight.

08-24-2006, 06:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hef Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11907 Location: Hilton Head, SC Posts: 2,037 Blog Entries: 1	That is what I would call "Frankensubgun". It just screams out, "BETCHA CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ME BLOW UP!", though I am confident enough in your work to know it won't. Fawking sweeeeeet. __________________ State schooling is not about education, but about the state. Gun control is not about guns, it’s about control. A citizen who can fend for himself when the predators come or the schools fail is less inclined to look to the state for sustenance and oversight in other areas of life.

08-24-2006, 09:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
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08-25-2006, 06:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
0ILBURNER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5829 Location: Memfrica Posts: 1,851	Wow - that's some hard-core weapon fab shit right there, man. So much for interchangeable parts! I'd love to see a vid when you get it working __________________ DO NOT FEED THE HUMANS They will not learn to take care of themselves.

08-24-2006, 09:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Frankenyota Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10632 Location: Hawaii Posts: 669	Holy shit Doc, you are definitely to the PhD level of "gunfuckery". I hope the thing works out for ya! I got to shoot a real (FA) AK a couple weeks ago, it was ok but my semi AK pistol is just as much fun, bumping a 75 rd drum rocks.

08-25-2006, 05:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
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08-25-2006, 05:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
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08-25-2006, 05:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
4runner please fix my runner Join Date: May 2000 Member # 946 Location: WTF TX USA Posts: 6,557	or you could get sidetracked... Attached Images __________________ 4.3runner ---A golf course is a pointless exploitation of a perfectly good rifle range--- buy my ultra rare Omega III presentation rifle special price $42500.00

08-25-2006, 07:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,668	questions: a. legality? paperwork necessary? b. are you using anything more precise than a Dremel for your 'machine work'?

08-25-2006, 07:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
Frankenyota Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10632 Location: Hawaii Posts: 669	One funny coincidence is that a good friend of mine just bought a 9mm AK. I have no idea what pieces or parts are in it, but if you'd like some pics for comparison purposes I'm sure he won't mind.

08-25-2006, 07:15 PM	#22 (permalink)
TheRedHorseman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64421 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 8,192	ugh, I hate loading sten mags

08-25-2006, 07:19 PM	#25 (permalink)
TheRedHorseman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64421 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 8,192	yup, easy like a chicom AK drum, great stuff. once I get my PPS-43/AKM hybrid done I'm definitely doing one of these, soumi drums just rock.

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