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animator · 11-12-2006, 01:23 PM

A box of grease-covered shit

Been debating on getting one of these for a while now, and for those on here that remember the AK build party we had, the next group project has been decided to be FALs. This will be a fun build. We probably won't do as many FALs as we did AKs, instead keep it to a more realistic number of 1 or 2 rifles per person.

Parts laid out

And for those of you who have never dealt with cosmoline, or have ever wondered what it is, or have never had the pleasure of baking and scrubbing it off... here's a good example of the shit that it is...

yum

Mo · 11-12-2006, 01:33 PM

who'd you get your kit from?

mike · 11-12-2006, 01:36 PM

Diesel fuel takes it off easy, and leaves a nice light oil behind

bronko · 11-12-2006, 01:42 PM

Hmmm....thought about doing a FAL...I'll let you go through any problems before I dive in, so I will be watching this tread impatiently

CMF · 11-12-2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo

who'd you get your kit from?

Yes. Details man...we need details.

That think looks like they just pulled it out of a barrel and threw it in the box. Have fun cleaning it all off

rockmup · 11-12-2006, 01:45 PM

I saw one of those with a Tapco upper in the pawn shop. It was gone when I went back for it. Damn it.

chris408 · 11-12-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

Diesel fuel takes it off easy, and leaves a nice light oil behind

Or mineral spirits if you want it completely cleaned off from all oil.

animator · 11-12-2006, 02:30 PM

Kit came from www.interordnance.com. They had a sale on FAL kits for right around $140. That sale has expired and they're now back up to $199. We jumped on several kits while they were still on sale.

I haven't decided on a receiver yet, we've still got several options to pick through.

We will probably skip parkerizing these, simply because parkerizing the AKs was a somewhat difficult and not-so-fun process.

Finish will be duracoat. I'm not set on a color yet, I might do something a bit more than a basic black rifle.. we'll see....

I still need to go over this kit and make a list of parts that did not survive the de-mil process. And I need to clean the bore to see if this barrel is good or junk.

yuuuuu-uuummmm

Blurry pic. Got most of it off. Now I just gotta swab out the bore and remove the furniture to get the shit out of the small cracks and grooves...

animator · 11-12-2006, 05:18 PM

never realised just how many tiny parts there are in a FAL...

and I still haven't taken apart the trigger and stock yet...

Hopefully I'll remember how it all goes back together..

After cleaning the bore, it's looking like I might need a new barrel. The rifling looks a little worn, and there is some slight pitting, and a few scratches, so a new barrel might be on order.

These interordnance kits have been hit or miss. One of the kits had a barrel that was absolute shit. Another kit had one that was damn near perfect. Mine is so-so, but I think I'm going to get a few more opinions from people before making the final decision to get a new barrel or not.

time to do some reading on falfiles....

usmcdoc14 · 11-12-2006, 07:11 PM

what do you want to know?

BTW www.falfiles.com has a lot of info on setting headspacing and shit.

you will need:
a receiver block or wrench or make one.
a set of pin gauges to measure headspacing
a good selection of ummmmm what the fuck are the fucking pins in the receiver that set the headspacing called but I am brainfarting at the name

and a way to shave the base of the barrel to clock it correctly. a lathe or they sell some homemade/specialty tool for it

Azzy2000 · 11-12-2006, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

a good selection of ummmmm what the fuck are the fucking pins in the receiver that set the headspacing called but I am brainfarting at the name

Locking pin/piece

Tim84K10 · 11-12-2006, 11:46 PM

Good luck. FALs are great rifles. If I didn't have an M14, I'd join you in building one.

animator · 08-03-2007, 07:15 PM

So an update on the FAL project

yes, I realize this thread needs to be moved to the outdoor area. It was started before that section started... I think.

So to update the FAL build, this project has been nearly a year in the making now. Most of my builds are done with a group of us in Tx who get together to build guns every so often. The FAL project was spawned off our AK build party which was a huge success a few years ago. Around a year ago, we decided on buying several FAL kits for a future build, and with the price of FAL kits increasing, and becoming almost impossible to find, this turned out to be a wise choice. Anyone famaliar with our AK build party of '06 might remember, we generally build in bulk.

For the receivers, we decided to go with Entreprise Arms, which was offering better deals than DSA at the time. I haven't done a price comparison lately, but did notice Enterprise has raised their price above what we paid for these.

http://www.entreprise.com/receivers.html

The waiting list for these receivers is fairly lengthy. From what I understand, there is somewhat of a backlog at Entreprise right now, and they're cranking these out as fast as they can, but are somewhere around a year backordered. I don't know for a fact though. All I know is it took us around 9-10 months to get these.

What made this so hairsplitting was that the one member of our group who has an FFL, has decided not to renew his license. And as it turns out, that license expired just one day after getting these receivers in. Talk about a close call....

Entreprise was cool about the situation though. They shipped out all the receivers 1-day shipping free of charge, to make sure they got here on time. The only downside is these receivers are not parkerized. We have the option to mail them back for free parking, but we will not be doing that

Instead, we'll do the same park + duracoat, or just duracoat the rifles once finished.

So the pics. These are Entreprise Type 03 Metric receivers, as available on their website. We originally wanted to go with Type 02s, but cost and availability were the limiting factors.

Will post more as the build progresses, but don't expect anything for a while.

edit: .... and I find it very ironic that these are produced in California...

usmcdoc14 · 08-03-2007, 07:21 PM

the bottom one has a flaw, send it to me for disposal

animator · 08-03-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

the bottom one has a flaw, send it to me for disposal

no

feel free to move this to the outdoor section...

usmcdoc14 · 08-03-2007, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by animator

no

feel free to move this to the outdoor section...

ask Roxy, I have no "move" powers here

animator · 08-03-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

ask Roxy, I have no "move" powers here

oh.

so you're not a *real* moderator then, are you...

usmcdoc14 · 08-03-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by animator

oh.

so you're not a *real* moderator then, are you...

you want me to ban you for a day to show you?

animator · 08-03-2007, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

you want me to ban you for a day to show you?

then I'd be one of those band-but-made-a-comeback cool d00ds too

Halogrinder · 08-03-2007, 08:14 PM

hey god damn it next time somone does a build party, fawking count me fawking in

been wanting to build something BAD latley.

really still wanna build my ROMAK3, but just cant find the motivation to do it

aloharover · 08-03-2007, 08:16 PM

ooo animatorV2

Have you ever seen a DSA, Imbal or CAI receiver? Just wondering how the Entreprises compare.
I got in on the 220$ Es back in Feb and they are supposed to be here by early September.
DSAs I ordered July 5th are due in a week or two.
But I can not wait to compare the two.

300sniper · 08-03-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim84K10

Good luck. FALs are great rifles. If I didn't have an M14, I'd join you in building one.

nothing wrong with having both.

animator · 08-03-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharover

ooo animatorV2

Have you ever seen a DSA, Imbal or CAI receiver? Just wondering how the Entreprises compare.
I got in on the 220$ Es back in Feb and they are supposed to be here by early September.
DSAs I ordered July 5th are due in a week or two.
But I can not wait to compare the two.

I haven't seen a DSA Imbel or CAI receiver up close, so I can't do an accurate comparison.

I will say that there is slight amounts of flashing on these receivers, left over from the machining process. Mostly in the tight areas around the locking shoulder and just behind the mag well. But I'm not going to say that this is bad quality on Entreprise's part, simply due to the sacrifices we had to make to get them here on time.

edit to add.. when dealing with enterprise, we kept getting a lot of run-around with the delivery dates. Every month we were told "next month". This went on for several months, before a multitude of phone calls and letters exchanged between our FFL and Enterprise got them delivered. I'd deal with them again, as long as I wasn't in a hurry for the part.

CP8071 · 08-03-2007, 08:41 PM

I've got some extra parts laying around since the FAL stuff has become so expensive I'll probably not do another. Complete new spring kit, lots-o-mags that need to be reassembled, tac sling, sling mount ... probably more. PM if interested.

animator · 08-03-2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halogrinder

hey god damn it next time somone does a build party, fawking count me fawking in

been wanting to build something BAD latley.

really still wanna build my ROMAK3, but just cant find the motivation to do it

send it to me and I'll build it. and then I'll keep it

Quote:

Originally Posted by CP8071

I've got some extra parts laying around since the FAL stuff has become so expensive I'll probably not do another. Complete new spring kit, lots-o-mags that need to be reassembled, tac sling, sling mount ... probably more. PM if interested.

will definitely keep you in mind. As you can see from the timeline of this thread, the FAL project is not something I expect to finish any time soon. Hopefully in the next 2-3 months, but we'll just have to see. If you need to sell anything earlier than that, don't hold onto it for my sake. But magazines and locking shoulders are something I could use

11-12-2006, 01:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
animator Rapey Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13701 Location: Plano/Dallas Posts: 4,083	Lookie what came home with me today (FAL) A box of grease-covered shit Been debating on getting one of these for a while now, and for those on here that remember the AK build party we had, the next group project has been decided to be FALs. This will be a fun build. We probably won't do as many FALs as we did AKs, instead keep it to a more realistic number of 1 or 2 rifles per person. Parts laid out And for those of you who have never dealt with cosmoline, or have ever wondered what it is, or have never had the pleasure of baking and scrubbing it off... here's a good example of the shit that it is... yum __________________ Think you're a marksman? Test your skills by joining the 200yd Iron Sight Challenge happening NOW in the OSR Forum: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdo...-may-31-a.html

11-12-2006, 01:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
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11-12-2006, 01:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
bronko Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 18748 Location: Roaming the Northeast Posts: 1,340	Hmmm....thought about doing a FAL...I'll let you go through any problems before I dive in, so I will be watching this tread impatiently __________________ Bummin around in a SAS'd 88 Toy w/ a 3.4 :flipoff2:

11-12-2006, 01:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
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11-12-2006, 02:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
animator Rapey Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13701 Location: Plano/Dallas Posts: 4,083	Kit came from www.interordnance.com. They had a sale on FAL kits for right around $140. That sale has expired and they're now back up to $199. We jumped on several kits while they were still on sale. I haven't decided on a receiver yet, we've still got several options to pick through. We will probably skip parkerizing these, simply because parkerizing the AKs was a somewhat difficult and not-so-fun process. Finish will be duracoat. I'm not set on a color yet, I might do something a bit more than a basic black rifle.. we'll see.... I still need to go over this kit and make a list of parts that did not survive the de-mil process. And I need to clean the bore to see if this barrel is good or junk. yuuuuu-uuummmm Blurry pic. Got most of it off. Now I just gotta swab out the bore and remove the furniture to get the shit out of the small cracks and grooves... __________________ Think you're a marksman? Test your skills by joining the 200yd Iron Sight Challenge happening NOW in the OSR Forum: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdo...-may-31-a.html

11-12-2006, 01:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,668	who'd you get your kit from?

11-12-2006, 05:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
animator Rapey Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13701 Location: Plano/Dallas Posts: 4,083	never realised just how many tiny parts there are in a FAL... and I still haven't taken apart the trigger and stock yet... Hopefully I'll remember how it all goes back together.. After cleaning the bore, it's looking like I might need a new barrel. The rifling looks a little worn, and there is some slight pitting, and a few scratches, so a new barrel might be on order. These interordnance kits have been hit or miss. One of the kits had a barrel that was absolute shit. Another kit had one that was damn near perfect. Mine is so-so, but I think I'm going to get a few more opinions from people before making the final decision to get a new barrel or not. time to do some reading on falfiles.... __________________ Think you're a marksman? Test your skills by joining the 200yd Iron Sight Challenge happening NOW in the OSR Forum: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdo...-may-31-a.html

11-12-2006, 07:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,283	what do you want to know? BTW www.falfiles.com has a lot of info on setting headspacing and shit. you will need: a receiver block or wrench or make one. a set of pin gauges to measure headspacing a good selection of ummmmm what the fuck are the fucking pins in the receiver that set the headspacing called but I am brainfarting at the name and a way to shave the base of the barrel to clock it correctly. a lathe or they sell some homemade/specialty tool for it __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight.

11-12-2006, 11:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tim84K10 Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24704 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,430	Good luck. FALs are great rifles. If I didn't have an M14, I'd join you in building one.

08-03-2007, 07:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
animator Rapey Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13701 Location: Plano/Dallas Posts: 4,083	So an update on the FAL project yes, I realize this thread needs to be moved to the outdoor area. It was started before that section started... I think. So to update the FAL build, this project has been nearly a year in the making now. Most of my builds are done with a group of us in Tx who get together to build guns every so often. The FAL project was spawned off our AK build party which was a huge success a few years ago. Around a year ago, we decided on buying several FAL kits for a future build, and with the price of FAL kits increasing, and becoming almost impossible to find, this turned out to be a wise choice. Anyone famaliar with our AK build party of '06 might remember, we generally build in bulk. For the receivers, we decided to go with Entreprise Arms, which was offering better deals than DSA at the time. I haven't done a price comparison lately, but did notice Enterprise has raised their price above what we paid for these. http://www.entreprise.com/receivers.html The waiting list for these receivers is fairly lengthy. From what I understand, there is somewhat of a backlog at Entreprise right now, and they're cranking these out as fast as they can, but are somewhere around a year backordered. I don't know for a fact though. All I know is it took us around 9-10 months to get these. What made this so hairsplitting was that the one member of our group who has an FFL, has decided not to renew his license. And as it turns out, that license expired just one day after getting these receivers in. Talk about a close call.... Entreprise was cool about the situation though. They shipped out all the receivers 1-day shipping free of charge, to make sure they got here on time. The only downside is these receivers are not parkerized. We have the option to mail them back for free parking, but we will not be doing that Instead, we'll do the same park + duracoat, or just duracoat the rifles once finished. So the pics. These are Entreprise Type 03 Metric receivers, as available on their website. We originally wanted to go with Type 02s, but cost and availability were the limiting factors. Will post more as the build progresses, but don't expect anything for a while. edit: .... and I find it very ironic that these are produced in California... __________________ Think you're a marksman? Test your skills by joining the 200yd Iron Sight Challenge happening NOW in the OSR Forum: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdo...-may-31-a.html Last edited by animator; 08-04-2007 at 12:52 AM.

08-03-2007, 07:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
usmcdoc14 Fistful of Boomstick Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13344 Location: Norfawk, VA Posts: 12,283	the bottom one has a flaw, send it to me for disposal __________________ Doc-14 Tactical Products: When it absolutely, positively needs to be made from random crap found in the back of my garage. You cant ban knowledge, learn to make your own guns right Here. New York, Colorado, Maryland, Conneticut….is your state next? Yes it is. Write, Vote and Fight.

08-03-2007, 08:14 PM	#20 (permalink)
Halogrinder Moderhater Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16980 Location: h-town Posts: 11,341	hey god damn it next time somone does a build party, fawking count me fawking in been wanting to build something BAD latley. really still wanna build my ROMAK3, but just cant find the motivation to do it __________________ Im your BMW huckleberry https://www.facebook.com/BMWdoctor can you do me a favor and like/share my page? If you like/share, you get free washes/discounts/other neat stuff for you car! gun facts that will blow your mind: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-fa...6_1_screen.pdf Last edited by Halogrinder; 08-03-2007 at 08:14 PM.

08-03-2007, 08:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
aloharover Petty Amm Flipper Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14561 Location: Just outside the evac zone Posts: 15,937	ooo animatorV2 Have you ever seen a DSA, Imbal or CAI receiver? Just wondering how the Entreprises compare. I got in on the 220$ Es back in Feb and they are supposed to be here by early September. DSAs I ordered July 5th are due in a week or two. But I can not wait to compare the two. __________________ Want to know how I lost 35lbs? Try INSANITY®. www.beachbodycoach.com/petermhope I love it when a plan comes together Colorado Springs, CO Based FFL-07/SOT

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CP8071 Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12491 Location: North Georgia Posts: 213	I've got some extra parts laying around since the FAL stuff has become so expensive I'll probably not do another. Complete new spring kit, lots-o-mags that need to be reassembled, tac sling, sling mount ... probably more. PM if interested.

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