308 Surplus Indian

[usmcdoc14]

yes I know the horror stories, yes I have seen the craptastic pics but I can not beat this price.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/1506
and they say its not the 90's crap.

worth it to buy a k or 2 and hand sort?

[Slimjim]

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

yes I know the horror stories, yes I have seen the craptastic pics but I can not beat this price.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/1506
and they say its not the 90's crap.

worth it to buy a k or 2 and hand sort?

Hand sorting still doesnt help with powder charges.

[aloharover]

By hand sort, do you mean weigh each round to the grain?

[usmcdoc14]

I thought the problem was with the brass not the powder?

[TheRedHorseman]

The 70s stuff is supposed to be better since the facility was still run by Radway and under Limey supervision. I had some of the later stuff and it blew primers and put some nasty gas cuts on my FAL bolt.

As for the newer ammo, the powder charges were incredibly inconsistent(like 5-10 grain differences, some dangerously overcharged), the black tar sealant on the bullets gave some firearms fits, and the brass was often mangled.

[usmcdoc14]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

The 70s stuff is supposed to be better since the facility was still run by Radway and under Limey supervision. I had some of the later stuff and it blew primers and put some nasty gas cuts on my FAL bolt.

As for the newer ammo, the powder charges were incredibly inconsistent(like 5-10 grain differences, some dangerously overcharged), the black tar sealant on the bullets gave some firearms fits, and the brass was often mangled.

so are you saying I should buy a thousand or walk away?

[TheRedHorseman]

Buy a thousand, if it's crap then you've got some reloading components.

[usmcdoc14]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

Buy a thousand, if it's crap then you've got some reloading components.

I can deal with *FFFFTTTTTTT* "shit, fucking sqib" but not *BOOM* fal parts everywhere are they underloading or over? I know the other KB's were caused by bad brass

[TheRedHorseman]

I found both over and under charged rounds in the ones I had. You'll need to get a scale and check the powder charge weights on about 10 or 20 of them, selected at random.

[usmcdoc14]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

I found both over and under charged rounds in the ones I had. You'll need to get a scale and check the powder charge weights on about 10 or 20 of them, selected at random.

now don't laugh soooo if I get the rounds and a bullet puller and a lee reloader and some scales I could sit and watch TV and reload them if they suck seeing as I don't need to set or pull primers?

[TheRedHorseman]

Basically yes, but you'd be better off with a single stage press of the real variety, the RCBS rockchucker kicks ass for that. And you'll want a powder thrower after about 20 loads manually measuring out every load with a scoop and trickler.

Now mind you I had the 90s bad stuff, the early stuff might be pretty good.

[usmcdoc14]

now one other thing:

I have heard 2 ways to check to see if they are corrosive.
1) fire a primer at some bare steel and circle that spot, let it be exsposed to humidity and see if it rusts faster

2) dump the primer in a glass of water, let soak 24 hours, check the PH

what one works?

[TheRedHorseman]

#1 works for sure(make sure the nail isn't galvanized)

never heard of #2 but it seems like it could work. As for dealing with corrosive ammo, blow 5-6 non corrosive rounds through it after you're done and you've blown about 90% of all the nasties out.

[usmcdoc14]

I could always get wolf steel cased for 50 bucks less
how does 7.62 NATO like steel cases? I have never fired it

edit: bitches out of stock

[TheRedHorseman]

My FAL eats it up, there's nothing wrong with the wolf .308 other than being a little underpowered like all of their ammo. Not match grade either but it's an FAL, not a PSG-1.

[CaryW]

Lets talk more about corrosive primers. I have always heard about them, and nod my head about how bad they are, but who uses them, when were they produced, and is the cheap stuff like wolf and bear safe?

Would you know that you had them? Does regular cleaning with hoppes clean it off?

[TheRedHorseman]

Wolf and bear don't have corrosive primers.

Basically a corrosive primer leaves hygroscopic salts in the bore and gas system, they retain water and hold it to the steel, causing corrosion. They are easily washed out by firing a few rounds of non corrosive ammo afterwards(this actually gets most of it out), then spraying the bore and gas system with some windex to get rid of the rest, then just clean as normal.

[usmcdoc14]

Originally Posted by CaryW

Lets talk more about corrosive primers. I have always heard about them, and nod my head about how bad they are, but who uses them, when were they produced, and is the cheap stuff like wolf and bear safe?

Would you know that you had them? Does regular cleaning with hoppes clean it off?

today I don't know of any places that still use corrosive salt primers. They are not "bad" but can be bad
example: my FAL was picked up for so cheap because the previous owner shot S&B ammo that was corrosive and did NOT clean his barrel/gun for a good 2-3 weeks.
I had pics of how toast it was around here somewhere.

Just spray with windex or soapy water and then clean as usual

[tonka22]

fire at will then flush with a good solvent

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

I had pics of how toast it was around here somewhere.

I am sure someone can get some if you can't find them.
For the record the bore is pitted, but the rifling is still there.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

then spraying the bore and gas system with some windex to get rid of the rest, then just clean as normal.

Sounds like the recipe for cleaning up after black powder.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

Basically yes, but you'd be better off with a single stage press of the real variety, the RCBS rockchucker kicks ass for that. And you'll want a powder thrower after about 20 loads manually measuring out every load with a scoop and trickler.

Now mind you I had the 90s bad stuff, the early stuff might be pretty good.

Ebay the rock chucker. You would be surprised at how cheep you can pick one up.

[aloharover]

Just got the latest sportsmansguide flyer
Same 70's ammo about 15$ cheeper for 400rds
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=220587