Suppresors

[aloharover]

Sound Suppressors are legal for individuals to own by federal law and all but 16 state laws.
They do require a 200$ tax stamp, paid to the Fed, and there is some paperwork involved. Normal time to receive approval back is 90-120 days.
I haven’t done a whole hell of a lot of research, but it appears that most cans on the market run 600-1000$, plus the tax stamp.
I don’t know about you, but I like the idea of being able to go plinking and not have to worry so much about hearing loss. But I have a hard time spending 800-1200$ dollars to do so.
If you could purchase a reliable, well made 22lr can for $200 plus the stamp or a 5.56mm can for 300$ plus the stamp, would you?

[ZJim]

I use ear muffs and don't plan on being in a situation where I care if my gun is loud or not.

[TheRedHorseman]

Originally Posted by ZJim

I use ear muffs and don't plan on being in a situation where I care if my gun is loud or not.

You've never shot a suppressed firearm have you? They are a ton of fun.

I've got a .22lr can already, and am definitely shopping for a 5.56 can.

[ZJim]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

You've never shot a suppressed firearm have you? They are a ton of fun.

I've got a .22lr can already, and am definitely shopping for a 5.56 can.

I'd give it a shot, but I just don't see a practical use for one especially at that price range. If I had lots of money and it wasn't a concern, I'd love to have LOTS of things Do they become less effective after a certain amount of rounds due to heat?

[Hef]

I'd love a 5.56 can. It'd be fun at the range, it has "cool factor", and if I ever needed to shoot it in the house, Gina and I wouldn't go deaf. KAC makes what I understand is a nice 5.56 suppressor, but it goes for about $1400.

I'd also like to pick up a Walther P22 with a suppressor. It looks like fun.

[usmcdoc14]

its funny how sound suppresive tech has not changed in 100 years or so and its simple stamped sheet metal parts yet the fuckers charge like the entire thing is hand tig titanium

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

its funny how sound suppresive tech has not changed in 100 years or so and its simple stamped sheet metal parts yet the fuckers charge like the entire thing is hand tig titanium

That is what I have been looking at.
For 200$ for the tax and another 50$ in parts you can make one up entirely from stainless. Need a drill press but thats about it. End result is larger then what is available commercially, but works just as well.

I have been researching K and M baffles. Used for the smaller cans.

[TheRedHorseman]

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

its funny how sound suppresive tech has not changed in 100 years or so and its simple stamped sheet metal parts yet the fuckers charge like the entire thing is hand tig titanium

My tac-65 is all milled except for the tube which is extruded aluminum. Most cans are milled, the reason they are expensive is due to federal excise tax and the licensing fees for the manufacturer, it isn't cheap to get in that business.

[Rendered]

Is the $200 tax stamp per each individual supressor, or is it like an umbrella where you can have as many as you'd like?

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by Rendered

Is the $200 tax stamp per each individual supressor, or is it like an umbrella where you can have as many as you'd like?

Per item.

[Bill4rest]

I have a ?? Since you have to have the Leo in your area sign the form, what is involved in moving? Like me being in the military? Do you just move? or do you have to notify the movment?

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by Bill4rest

I have a ?? Since you have to have the Leo in your area sign the form, what is involved in moving? Like me being in the military? Do you just move? or do you have to notify the movment?

If you set up a living trust (you and the wife) or set up an LLC then no LEO signature is needed.

Regarding moving, I don't think so, but am not sure. The form is to transfer from one person to another. I haven't seen anything about a change of address form. Same way when you buy a firearm from an FFL you fill out some paperwork, but you don't need to notify the feds that you move.

Now state laws may be different. In Hawaii you had to actually take each firearm into the police to register it. And notify them of any change of address.

[Bill4rest]

Funny, I think you can "own" a can in CA but you can buy one or something

[TheRedHorseman]

Originally Posted by Bill4rest

Funny, I think you can "own" a can in CA but you can buy one or something

If you had one before a certain date I think you can still have it, no new ones though.

And if I'm not mistaken, in WA, you can own cans but it is a crime to actually use them, a misdemeanor for every shot fired.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

If you had one before a certain date I think you can still have it, no new ones though.

And if I'm not mistaken, in WA, you can own cans but it is a crime to actually use them, a misdemeanor for every shot fired.

From SilencerTalk.com

The following states allow ownership of silencers: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, NE, ND, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY. Of the sixteen states which do not allow civilian ownership, CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow Class-3 dealers and Class-2 manufacturers to own silencers.

I had heard that about WA or it might be OR.

[Roadsiderob]

Hmmm....might be just the thing to have to dispatch some problem pigeons without disturbing the neighbors.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by Roadsiderob

Hmmm....might be just the thing to have to dispatch some problem pigeons without disturbing the neighbors.

exxxxxxactly

[aloharover]

.22 supressors, 95$ plus tax. Simple can and washer design.
http://www.nfainvestments.com/inventory.htm

[Azzy2000]

Originally Posted by Hef

I'd love a 5.56 can. It'd be fun at the range, it has "cool factor", and if I ever needed to shoot it in the house, Gina and I wouldn't go deaf. KAC makes what I understand is a nice 5.56 suppressor, but it goes for about $1400.

I'd also like to pick up a Walther P22 with a suppressor. It looks like fun.

$1,400.00 is on the very high side of 5.56 suppressors.. They start around $500 for a decent one , and you can get a Gemtech Halo for 675.00 , AAC M4-2000 for 850-ish.

Originally Posted by usmcdoc14

its funny how sound suppresive tech has not changed in 100 years or so and its simple stamped sheet metal parts yet the fuckers charge like the entire thing is hand tig titanium

What makes you think they have not changed? They are not just steel tubes with fender washers welded into them these days And there several on the market that are titanium. Hell , the Gemtech G5 uses stainless , titanium and Inconel in its construction.

Originally Posted by Bill4rest

I have a ?? Since you have to have the Leo in your area sign the form, what is involved in moving? Like me being in the military? Do you just move? or do you have to notify the movment?

You must notify the NFA branch of the BATFE in writing. You must also submit an approval form prior to transporting the MG , SBR , DD , SBS out of state.

[Azzy2000]

Originally Posted by aloharover

Normal time to receive approval back is 90-120 days.

Approval times have gotten a lot better. My SBR approval took about 60 days , including having to re-submit pending approval because of an error on the form. My .45 suppressor is pending approval right now , and was submitted less than 3 weeks ago.. Some people are seeing 15-30 day approvals these days.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by Azzy2000

Approval times have gotten a lot better. My SBR approval took about 60 days , including having to re-submit pending approval because of an error on the form. My .45 suppressor is pending approval right now , and was submitted less than 3 weeks ago.. Some people are seeing 15-30 day approvals these days.

Wow that is cool. Wonder if number of submissions has dropped or process has improved?

Oh I found a legal soda bottle suppresor. The adapter neck was registered and serial numbered.

http://www.silencertests.com/gallery...tflasce?full=1

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by Azzy2000

You must notify the NFA branch of the BATFE in writing. You must also submit an approval form prior to transporting the MG , SBR , DD , SBS out of state.

Good info.

Prior to transporting? Is that just for a move? Or even if you are going to another state for the weekend to shoot?

[Brain]

Originally Posted by aloharover

Good info.

Prior to transporting? Is that just for a move? Or even if you are going to another state for the weekend to shoot?

It applies if you are crossing state lines for any length of time, be it a minute up to infinity.

[Azzy2000]

Originally Posted by aloharover

Wow that is cool. Wonder if number of submissions has dropped or process has improved?

Oh I found a legal soda bottle suppresor. The adapter neck was registered and serial numbered.

http://www.silencertests.com/gallery...tflasce?full=1

The process has improved. NFA moved its offices and apparently are more efficient than before.

Originally Posted by aloharover

Good info.

Prior to transporting? Is that just for a move? Or even if you are going to another state for the weekend to shoot?

You have to notify them in writing for a change of address , and you have to file a form prior to transporting out of state. I "think" it is a form 5... not for sure on that , I'll have to check that one out to be sure.

***Edit - I was wrong... it is a form 5320.20 , for interstate transfer and temporary export.

[aloharover]

A good view of some internals.

http://www.silencertests.com/gallery/Internals/MG_3644