DOC! or others, Check this FAL kit for me!

[Redmist]

I am trading an older Bushmaster 14.5" Upper for this matching numbers STG-58 kit. As I don't know shit about fals other then I want to build one, how does this kit look?

Is it missing anything?

Is it inch, or metric?

What can you guys tell me about it?

[Redmist]

[TheRedHorseman]

Metric and looks complete. The STG-58 is one of the top 3 most desirable kits going.

If you're not giving away the bolt and carrier with that upper you're doing pretty good.

[usmcdoc14]

looks complete and in nice condition as long as they did not bugger up the barrel threads when removing it

[Redmist]

I am letting him have the carrier and bolt for the upper. But I going to have him throw in some magazines as well.

The upper was a trade off the EE on ARFCOM. I am only $300 into it so I don't mind letting the upper go complete.

So is an imbel reciever the way to go?

[TheRedHorseman]

Only if you feel like bending over and taking in in the pooper due to the price, they are great receivers but hellishly expensive nowadays. DSA is the way to go cost wise, tell them you're a member of FALFiles.com and they give you a discount.

[4x401cj]

Nice gun, looks to be in great shape. It has a pretty low serial #, mine is in the 147,XXX range. Kudo`s on an exellent trade.
On a kit that nice, I wouldn`t use anything but a DSA reciever.

[Redmist]

If this guy thows in some mags, I will ship my upper out tomorrow and he will do the same for my kit!

Can't wait to add another military pattern firearm to the safe.

[Mo]

keep in mind mags are only like $5

[Holocene]

How scarce are FAL parts getting? Will there still be "kits" like these around a few years from now, for under $500?

[TheRedHorseman]

Kits will be but they won't have barrels. If you plan on building an FAL you might want to squirrel away an imbel kit for the future.

[4x401cj]

Originally Posted by Mo

keep in mind mags are only like $5

Where have you seen $5 FAL mags? I haven`t been seeing them for sale through any of the regular places I check. I`d like to get 20 more.

[Azzy2000]

Originally Posted by 4x401cj

Where have you seen $5 FAL mags? I haven`t been seeing them for sale through any of the regular places I check. I`d like to get 20 more.

DSA sells good used metric mags for $7 each and you can find them for $5 in good condition if you look around a bit. Gun show sellers around here seem to think theyre rare and are worth $10 ea...

http://www.dsarms.com/prodinfo.asp?number=117U

[animator]

On my Imbel kit, the gas piston spring is actually two springs, with one coiled inside the other. The one in the kit pictured appears to only show one spring.

Not sure if that's a problem or not, I've never seen an STG kit, and am by no means an expert of FAL kits. Just an observation.

[jht3]

Originally Posted by TheRedHorseman

Kits will be but they won't have barrels. If you plan on building an FAL you might want to squirrel away an imbel kit for the future.

why an imbel kit? and what's the going rate on one in good to very good condition?

[TheRedHorseman]

Why?

They are the only common kit going right now. As for prices, no idea probably around $200-$250 or so.

[aloharover]

200$ for a good kit with a nice bore, 130 for a bbl less one, 290 for one with a new argentinian bbl.

[animator]

Originally Posted by aloharover

200$ for a good kit with a nice bore, 130 for a bbl less one, 290 for one with a new argentinian bbl.

Any places selling good barrels, preferably new, besides DSA? I'm considering a DSA barrel, but if I can find one for a better price, I'm all for it.

[ParadiseAutoElectric]

If you build this kit keep in mind a semi auto selector could save you alot of legal hassle from the MAN.


I borrowed this pic from the fal files thread shown below to show the differences in the selector that you have on your lower receiver and the one in the pic labeled FAL type "C".

While its not IMO illegal to run the rifle with the FA selector shown as FAL type "A" if the selector cannot rotate to the A position or the position detent just above the trigger as seen in your picture of the lower receiver it might keep a LEO from thinking that you have a select fire rifle.





At the link below the BATF describe what features they wanted the FAL rifle to have when it was imported.

If it was my rifle I would configure it just as they describe to avoid any unpleasant dealings with the BATF as they can really make your life hell when they want to.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...f_letter79.txt

The threads below will show why you would want the semi auto selector.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...70#post1830870

A semi auto selector would have saved this man alot of grief and money when he was forced to hire an attorney to defend himself.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=193496

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=197552

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by ParadiseAutoElectric

If you build this kit keep in mind a semi auto selector could save you alot of legal hassle from the MAN.

Did you even read the threads you posted links to?

Hopefully you or DOC delete your thread before it gives more people the wrong information.

The letter you posted regards importing a fully functioning rifle...in 1961.
The FAL Files post you linked are from one individual who does not work for the ATF and if you read the entire threads you will see that the majority of the posters do not agree with him. Gun Plumber and DSA are both assembling FALs and both have said time and time again that the SA selector is not required, as has the BATFE. And yes this was one of many questions I asked my ATF ageent when going through the license process.
The ejector block and the appropriate slot for the FA sear are the sole parts that determine if an FAL is SA only or not.
You do NOT need to install an SA selector nor remove the A position from the lower receiver.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by animator

Any places selling good barrels, preferably new, besides DSA? I'm considering a DSA barrel, but if I can find one for a better price, I'm all for it.

Sarco and Numrich have new, surplus, foriegn bbls. Do some Googling and I believe there might be someone besides DSA providing USA made bbls.

[Redmist]

paradiseautoelectric..

Damn thats long!


Thanks for the info scoop, but I am fine in regards to the BATFE stuff...

I have a couple guns.

[ParadiseAutoElectric]

This is the kind of reply I expected from this board.

Yes I read the threads. and I agree with the poster there

My point stands that its cheap insurance. I'm sorry for you if you cant grasp this point.

I'm very familiar with the ejector block and the safety sear in the FN FAL rifle I have owned several FN's and a Title II FN FAL as well Have held a 01 FFL and a 03 SOT in the past so I didn't just fall of the turnip truck with regard to firearms.

I'm not concerned what Gun Plumber or DSA have stated time and time again they do not have to defend you if the BATF gets ahold of your rifle and thinks its Select fire because it has a selector that can rotate to "A" YOU DO.

What wrong information could my post give ?

Originally Posted by aloharover

Did you even read the threads you posted links to?

Hopefully you or DOC delete your thread before it gives more people the wrong information.

The letter you posted regards importing a fully functioning rifle...in 1961.
The FAL Files post you linked are from one individual who does not work for the ATF and if you read the entire threads you will see that the majority of the posters do not agree with him. Gun Plumber and DSA are both assembling FALs and both have said time and time again that the SA selector is not required, as has the BATFE. And yes this was one of many questions I asked my ATF agent when going through the license process.
The ejector block and the appropriate slot for the FA sear are the sole parts that determine if an FAL is SA only or not.
You do NOT need to install an SA selector nor remove the A position from the lower receiver.

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by ParadiseAutoElectric

This is the kind of reply I expected from this board.

How so?

Originally Posted by ParadiseAutoElectric

What wrong information could my post give ?

"If you build this kit keep in mind a semi auto selector could save you alot of legal hassle from the MAN. "

All I said was when I asked the BATFE about the selector and A issue I was told it's not an issue.

[Redmist]

It's only an issue if people get on the boards and make it one...

I am going to keep the original selector and rotate it into the AUTO position often.

I can make the the FULL AUTO sound with my mouth as I materbate in my own pile of shit reading guns and ammo and smearing mayo all over myself while sporting my visqueen cape.