Now THAT's a letter to the editor - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum
 
Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum  

Go Back   Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum > Miscellaneous > Outdoor Sports and Recreation
Notices

Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-30-2008, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
PONY_DRIVER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Member # 44662
Location: In a house!
Posts: 3,986
Now THAT's a letter to the editor

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot...to-editor.html

TO: Tom Eblen, a Kentuckian who ought to know better.

Dear Tom,

Let me introduce you to the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Sez you:

"If Second Amendment absolutists keep standing up and daring others to pry their guns from their "cold, dead fingers," eventually somebody's going to do it."

Ah, the big, bad gun "confiscation" boogeyman.

It may scare you. It may scare certain weak-kneed "sportsmen" willing to compromise our rights for theirs. And, perhaps, it may scare some poorly educated children under the age of twelve.

It does NOT scare us, the intended target of your editorial missive. The way we see it, "eventually somebody's going to TRY to do it." Liberals' biggest problem (and perhaps yours as well) is that they're always extrapolating from their own cowardice. They think that if the government told them to do something, they would do it, so everybody else will too.

Wrong.

Let's boil down the threat of gun confiscation to its mathematical essence:

1. There are as many guns in this country as there are people, something close to 300 million.

2. No matter what law you pass, some percentage of American gun owners will refuse to give theirs up, even if the penalty for doing so is death. Shall we say 3 percent of 100 million gun owners? That's the same percentage as active combatants in our first Revolution, so let's say that's 3 million "pry it from my cold dead hands" types.

3. Now, I'm sure you will agree (intellectually at least) that a man who is willing to die for his beliefs is most often somebody who is willing to kill for them too. This being the case . . .

4. When the government comes to take these citizens' guns, the citizens -- these 3 percenters -- will do their dead level best to kill the thugs sent to do so. Some of them will realize that killing the bureaucrats who sent the thugs is probably a good idea too, so a number of bureaucrats will die. Some of these citizens will also realize the justice of killing the tyrant politicians who told the bureaucrats to send the thugs, and that's even more dead added to the butcher's bill.

On a more personal note, an even smaller (yet still significant) percentage of these citizens will remember that Bill Clinton expanded the laws of warfare in the 90's to include the news media of your enemy as a legitimate target of war, so a number of reporters, editorial writers (uh, what did you say you do for a living?), anti-gun bloggers, and perceived "traitors to the Republic" will die as well, even if (as I'm sure it is in your case) they don't deserve it. I mean, I'd never shoot an editorial writer myself, I have too much love for the 1st Amendment. However, there are others out there who doubtless lack my scruples, especially when they're being shot at themselves. And since Bubba Bill already said it was OK, they'll think, "Hey, why not?"

All told, gunnies and gun grabbers, the casualties will be at least in the low millions making it the worst war America has ever fought -- indeed, the dead would total more than all of America's wars combined. This is especially true since we "cold dead hands types" intend to make it more than a one-to-one ratio. And, you may remember, we're the ones with the firearms already at hand and the ones more likely to know how to use them effectively.

5. Given that, and we understand it even if you don't, please refrain from trying to scare us "bitter enders" into compromising our God given rights. It can't be done. You can't convince us, you can't intimidate us and we're not going away. You can kill us, but you can't change our minds. Thus, stacking up millions of dead bodies in your proposed civil war seems an odd way to ensure "public safety," especially if one of those bodies is unintentionally yours. Is this really what you had in mind?

Welcome to the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Sometimes, my young editorialist, there IS no principled middle ground and to stand there is to invite being shot at by both sides with equal gusto -- and I don't mean by mere words and phrases.

Thus endeth the lesson. I hope now that I've explained things in the light of day that you'll recover soon from your silly fright at the big, bad, bogus boogeyman of gun confiscation.

Because it ain't happenin' - not without the worst bloody fight you can possibly imagine.

Have a nice day. ;-)

Mike Vanderboegh
__________________
"I'm strangely comfortable with it."
PONY_DRIVER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 11:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Johann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Member # 4251
Location: NC USA
Posts: 1,402
Well reasoned argument. It sure would be ugly

It would have read better without the slang like "Sez you" and "it ain't happenin" But maybe that is needed for the Kentucky demographic.
__________________
Details removed for clarity
Johann is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 05-30-2008, 11:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
Rock God
 
Rattlecan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Member # 50639
Posts: 1,216
Damn interesting read... Good find!
Rattlecan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 12:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Member # 70402
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johann View Post
Well reasoned argument. It sure would be ugly

It would have read better without the slang like "Sez you" and "it ain't happenin" But maybe that is needed for the Kentucky demographic.
Thats funny, I thought those phrases made all the difference in the world. They made him sound like a normal reasonable guy, not a politician.

Chris
nooblet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 03:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
misterfubar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Member # 65026
Location: At home.
Posts: 2,373
Blog Entries: 1
I bet when it comes down to it though, less than 1 in 10,000 people would actually fight for their rights

Your mind acts a little different when you actually have to pull the trigger or you have a gun pointed at your chest.
__________________
“Is it ignorance or apathy? Hey, I don't know and I don't care.”

Last edited by misterfubar; 05-30-2008 at 03:17 PM.
misterfubar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 03:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
Rock God
 
Alex123456's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Member # 52396
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 1,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterfubar View Post
I bet when it comes down to it though, less than 1 in 10,000 people would actually fight for their rights

Your mind acts a little different when you actually have to pull the trigger or you have a gun pointed at your chest.
I agree, but I think the threat of violence will keep confiscation a very remote possibility. I think we'd more likely see a total ban on new guns and ammo.
__________________
'81 Toyota buildup in progress
Alex123456 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 03:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
misterfubar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Member # 65026
Location: At home.
Posts: 2,373
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex123456 View Post
I agree, but I think the threat of violence will keep confiscation a very remote possibility.
That's what I'm hoping for.
__________________
“Is it ignorance or apathy? Hey, I don't know and I don't care.”
misterfubar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 04:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
Numidian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Member # 36317
Location: Joppa, MD
Posts: 4,255
Send a message via AIM to Numidian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex123456 View Post
I agree, but I think the threat of violence will keep confiscation a very remote possibility. I think we'd more likely see a total ban on new guns and ammo.
More likely tax ammunition and guns into oblivion... You'd have a hell of a time getting an armed resistance to stand up and succeed if it's "just a tax"
__________________
Brennan
Nemo me impune lacessit
Numidian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 04:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Member # 88003
Location: siloam springs ar
Posts: 144
bravo someone should reword this so we can send it to all of our politicians
muddyredneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 08:06 PM   #10 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
PONY_DRIVER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Member # 44662
Location: In a house!
Posts: 3,986
Quote:
Originally Posted by muddyredneck View Post
bravo someone should reword this so we can send it to all of our politicians
Why reword it?
__________________
"I'm strangely comfortable with it."
PONY_DRIVER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2008, 07:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Member # 88003
Location: siloam springs ar
Posts: 144
just the parts referring to the editor specifically
muddyredneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2008, 02:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
III
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Member # 2032
Posts: 11,112
DAMN!!!!!!! Very nice. Signed, Proud 3%er.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2008, 06:49 AM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Member # 114708
Location: Yuppy Suburbia, Ks
Posts: 11
Great read! Glad you were able to share it! By the way, the oath I swore was to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. Not the politician!
hookmech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2008, 01:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
Rock God
 
edglock21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Member # 48547
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,125
Excellent - couldn't have said it better
edglock21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2008, 02:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
Rock God
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Member # 13707
Location: California
Posts: 1,922
Quote:
Originally Posted by Numidian View Post
More likely tax ammunition and guns into oblivion... You'd have a hell of a time getting an armed resistance to stand up and succeed if it's "just a tax"
Then theres the ones who reload, because it looks like it will go this way. And not all states will tax like california will, there's still a way to get the ammo.
Toyoda is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.