aics

[300sniper]

i just picked up an accuracy international aics for an upcoming build. i am in the part collecting stages to build up a long range "tactical" rifle in .284 winchester. i had my choices narrowed down to a mcmillan a4 and the aics. the mcmillan stock is much nicer but got really expensive once you add all your options and badger bottom metal/detachable mag kit. i had always wanted an aics and liked that is is pretty much drop in and does not require bedding like a mcmillan. the aics also had much quicker delivery time, a few days instead of up to 6 months.

this is my old rem 700p that i am going to use for the build in the new stock.

[BumpyDodge]

OK I'll admit it: I have never heard of .284 Winchester, so I went and looked it up.

Today, the most popular and useful .284 Winchester-case based cartridge is not the original, but rather the 6.5-284 Norma. This former wildcat was developed for long range target shooting where participants usually handload their ammunition. It is currently one of the most used non-wildcat cartridges by match shooters in F-Class and 1000 yd/m benchrest long range competitions

Thanks for furthering my education 300.

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by BumpyDodge

OK I'll admit it: I have never heard of .284 Winchester, so I went and looked it up.



Thanks for furthering my education 300.

honestly, i hadn't even heard of it till about a month ago when i started asking around with people i shoot with. i knew i wanted to build a new rifle. i knew i didn't need a massive bullet to put holes in paper. i knew i didn't need all the recoil of the 300 win mag. i knew i wanted to shoot high bc bullets. it sounds like the .284 should meet the criteria. some of our top shooters are doing amazing things with them.

[aloharover]

Did you look at the JAE 700 at all?

[BigGreenMonster]

how does the .284 stack up to the .280 rem? my pops has a reminton 700 based custom that has a muzzle velocity of 3200 fps. i think the major diffrence to the velocity is the 26" barrel.

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by aloharover

Did you look at the JAE 700 at all?

it's not available yet for the long action. it sounds like it is going to get very expensive once you start adding all the options on that stock as well. i have seen a couple of them in person now and it doesn't appeal to me as much as it did in pictures.

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by BigGreenMonster

how does the .284 stack up to the .280 rem? my pops has a reminton 700 based custom that has a muzzle velocity of 3200 fps. i think the major diffrence to the velocity is the 26" barrel.

i don't know about the .280 but i plan on shooting 175 sierra match kings at about 2850 fps.

[BigGreenMonster]

wiki has some genaric balistics chart for the .280 and the 175 is 2681... i am assuming at the muzzle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Remington

which is prolly right seeing how the remington site has a 165 grain at 2820 at the muzzle. i thought they were boat tail but apparently not.

i do not even see 284 win's anywhere. i found a 150 grain on the winchester site but that is all i found. from wiki it looks to be comparable to the .308

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by BigGreenMonster

wiki has some genaric balistics chart for the .280 and the 175 is 2681... i am assuming at the muzzle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Remington

which is prolly right seeing how the remington site has a 165 grain at 2820 at the muzzle. i thought they were boat tail but apparently not.

i do not even see 284 win's anywhere. i found a 150 grain on the winchester site but that is all i found. from wiki it looks to be comparable to the .308

i really doubt there is much commercial ammo available for the .284. here is a good article on it: http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek088.html

[BigGreenMonster]

i will save that and check it out in detail tomorrow. i have a acl. imp. .280 that i just started shooting about a month ago. it is my pop's but i put a new scope on it. it has a 28" barrel that is about 1" or more across. he bought it from a guy and never really did anything with it. suposidly it is a tack driver but i was not all that impressed with it. i would like to play with it a bit an fine tune the loads. i have looked but i could never find the long range stuff over here. i would like to get into that.

[Diesel Smoke]

So, if you are willing to tell, how much?

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by Diesel Smoke

So, if you are willing to tell, how much?

the stock was $800 with one mag and i bought two more mags at $75 each.

[300sniper]

i ordered the barrel for the build last week. i ordered a broughton 7.1 contour 5c barrel in 1 in 9 twist. i plan on finishing it at 26". it could take up to 10 weeks for it to ship so i have some time to collect other parts and tools. i will order the chamber reamer, bolt, recoil lug, indicator rods and possibly a boltway reamer next week. i also need to order two .0001" test indicators to dial in the barrel and receiver in the lathe. i have two .0005" indicators but i guess that is not good enough for a precision rifle. i got a piece of 4" x 3/4" wall aluminum tube to make a receiver truing fixture.


here are a few pictures of the aics without the skins.

[NVScouter]

Originally Posted by 300sniper

i ordered the barrel for the build last week. i ordered a broughton 7.1 contour 5c barrel in 1 in 9 twist. i plan on finishing it at 26". it could take up to 10 weeks for it to ship so i have some time to collect other parts and tools. i will order the chamber reamer, bolt, recoil lug, indicator rods and possibly a boltway reamer next week. i also need to order two .0001" test indicators to dial in the barrel and receiver in the lathe. i have two .0005" indicators but i guess that is not good enough for a precision rifle. i got a piece of 4" x 3/4" wall aluminum tube to make a receiver truing fixture.


here are a few pictures of the aics without the skins.

Thanks for posting those! Great design, I like how is goes the full length of the action and stock for rock solid mounting.

[Doc Holiday13]

Originally Posted by 300sniper

honestly, i hadn't even heard of it till about a month ago when i started asking around with people i shoot with. i knew i wanted to build a new rifle. i knew i didn't need a massive bullet to put holes in paper. i knew i didn't need all the recoil of the 300 win mag. i knew i wanted to shoot high bc bullets. it sounds like the .284 should meet the criteria. some of our top shooters are doing amazing things with them.

I'm surprised you didn't go for a 7mm wsm. I believe it uses the same brass as your 300 wsm just necked down of course

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday13

I'm surprised you didn't go for a 7mm wsm. I believe it uses the same brass as your 300 wsm just necked down of course

i am trying to get away from magnum recoil and short barrel life.

[ZjSteveO]

I love the AICS, and i want one soo bad it hurts. how do you like it 300? was it worth it?

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by ZjSteveO

I love the AICS, and i want one soo bad it hurts. how do you like it 300? was it worth it?

i have not been able to shoot with it yet because the rifle is not done. i have molested it plenty though. i think it is going to be great for positional shooting. it feels like it is going to be better for off hand than my hs precision stock and also feels great prone. i have heard a lot of people complain that they can't get their cheek weld low enough on the stock for a good scope picture. i have my cheek piece is as low as it goes and it is perfect for me but i can see how it may be a problem for others. another thing that i didn't even thing about when buying a thumb hole stock is bolt manipulation is going to be slower than a thumb over. i can live with it for sure but it is definatly going to take some practice.


is it worth it? i think so. i'll have a better answer in a couple months when i build my rifle.

[ZjSteveO]

Originally Posted by 300sniper

i have molested it plenty though..

willing to let me rent it for 5 minutes? you could make back some of that 800 bucks. I would like to build a rifle with a winchester action on one of these stocks. i like magnums, and i am willing to deal with the problems associated with them.

[Toyoda]

Im supprised you didn't get a 6mm br or ppc for those long ranges.

[Doc Holiday13]

You going to be loading up some berger 180 VLD's for the new stick?

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday13

You going to be loading up some berger 180 VLD's for the new stick?

i am chambering it for 175 smk's at 3.1" oal, .020" jump, and un-neck turned winchester brass. i ordered the reamer today from pacific tool and gauge. i am having it ground to the same specs ga precision used to build the u.s. f class and the two guys i shoot withs rifles. they guys i shoot with are doing damn good with them. i am pretty much copying their rifles and load. i am going to use a different stock and scope though.

i also ordered my bolt from pacific tool and gauge today as well as some other tooling. the bolt and reamer are probably 3 weeks out.

[CWcruiser]

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Originally Posted by Doc Holiday13 View Post
I'm surprised you didn't go for a 7mm wsm. I believe it uses the same brass as your 300 wsm just necked down of course
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Originally Posted By 300sniper View Post
i am trying to get away from magnum recoil and short barrel life.

I basically have the same setup in 7wsm,there is not much recoil with the total weight of the rifle, and the barrel life depends on how hard you want to push it.

[300sniper]

Originally Posted by CWcruiser

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holiday13 View Post
I'm surprised you didn't go for a 7mm wsm. I believe it uses the same brass as your 300 wsm just necked down of course
Quote:
Originally Posted By 300sniper View Post
i am trying to get away from magnum recoil and short barrel life.

I basically have the same setup in 7wsm,there is not much recoil with the total weight of the rifle, and the barrel life depends on how hard you want to push it.

knowing me, if i had a 7wsm, i would push it hard because i could. hell, i am still looking at speeding up my 300 wm. i am doing awesome with my load now, a 210 berger vld at about 2950 fps, but i am thinking about trying to get it over 3000 fps. i think i can do it pretty easily but after taking first by a large margin at my last long range tactical match and some awesome shooting today at 200 -1000 yard practice, i am not sure i want to mess with it anymore.

[300sniper]

this just came in yesterday for an upcomming build. my last aics was a version 1.5. this one is the aics 2.0 which means it is a folding stock. it took me a while to get used to the aics vs. a regular stock but now i am hooked on them. i think all my bolt rifles will use one for now on.

my next build is going to be a compact .308. i am building it for our local precision steel match which is from 0-500 meters. there is a lot of positional shooting and shooting from barricades. for this i decided max velocity is not as critical as a handy rifle. i want a medium weight rifle that is compact. i am going to use an 18.5" barrel for this one. as of now i plan on using a stiller tac30 action and bartlein "tight bore" barrel (.299" bore). i ordered a nightforce 5.5-22 scope for my .284 and my 4.4-14 leupold on the .284 will be used on the new rifle. the leupold is smaller and lighter than the nightforce. i will probably eventually get a first focal plane nightforce scope for the new rifle so the reticle stays the same size no matter what power you are on. this is handy for our steel match when you need to rapidly engage targets at different ranges.

anyways, here are some pictures of the aics 2.0.