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Old 09-20-2008, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Saiga 223.

Got one. Now I have to figure what to do with it.

1) un-fuck it to pistol grip yada yada evil black features.

NEXT

Convert to a cheaper/better magazine

Galil?
AK-101?
other AK 5.56?
AR-15?

Pick one, lets figure it out.
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I like the Orlites with the high tech 3/8" galvanized pipe bullet guide.
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I like the Orlites with the high tech 3/8" galvanized pipe bullet guide.
I am also trying to keep it so the mags are cheap. know who has those?
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I haven't seen them in a while, but I haven't been looking. The last I bought were from a pawn shop in Texas that was on gunbroker. $12.00 a piece NIW.

If you get some, be careful trimming the "gussets" on the sides. If you take your time, you can perfectly eliminate all wobble.

The Weigers are really nice and fit well. No wobble. AIM had some cheap, and Palmetto State bought the entire lot and raised the price about 30%.
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C'mon Doc - don't be afraid of a little challenge - how many AR mags you got laying around. Just saying
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I'd go AR mags...

If I've got a footlocker full of them I can't even begin to imagine how many you have laying around.
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I'd go AR mags...

If I've got a footlocker full of them I can't even begin to imagine how many you have laying around.
I got rid of like 98% of my aluminum AR mags besides my Brownells ones mostly I have Magpuls and a small pile of steel HK's

Looking at it it would not be hard. just afraid of it looking retarded
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Those friggin' Galil adapters have gone out of sight, but it doesn't look like it would be too terribly difficult to mock up a magwell extension. To use the AR mags, though, without modifying the mags, you'd have to grind/mill the hell out of the front trunnion, including grinding off a significant portion of rear rivet in the front trunnion.
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So where was he buying his Saigas from?

You find out or not
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So where was he buying his Saigas from?

You find out or not

read the "hampton roads gun show" thread
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ok, issues.

A ar mag will fit and making a slide in/lock in adapter would be strait forward. It would be a clone of the ones out there but made of steel sheet.

The issue is the AR magazine will HAVE to be notched at the nose on both sides (I can leave the very front) in order to clear the locking lugs on the trunnion. Some people have ground those down some but I am not fucking retarded

so should I do it?
modified AR magazines that will still fit in a AR but working with a Saiga or something else?
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modified AR magazines that will still fit in a AR but working with a Saiga
That sounds pretty cool, practical too
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well its converted to pistol grip. The Tapco "normal" stock is actualy quite well made and a good "clone" of a plain black stock.
I picked one at the gun show for half price cause the metal butpad had rust spots

no pics till I make it all black

I may just say fuck it and keep the Saiga forend
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I would keep the Saiga forend, they work just fine. I don't see the problem of using the 30 rnd mags built for the Saiga .223 They are pricy, but they work flawlessly. I have heard you can use the Weigers if you add a feedramp, but they are a specialty mag also and expensive. Even the Ak74 mags are way up in price.
An AR mag conversion would look terrible and I have had more toruble with AR mags than any other mag type. How many mags do you realistically need for this rifle.
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An AR mag conversion would look terrible and I have had more toruble with AR mags than any other mag type.
Its not going to be a "conversion" it will be an "adapter". The rifle will NOT be modified for any specific magazine, just the other way around.

If you are having mag problems with AR's you need to be choosing better mags.

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How many mags do you realistically need for this rifle.
6-10.
every rifle I have has at LEAST 6 magazines for it.
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If you are having mag problems with AR's you need to be choosing better mags..
Obviously, They were USGI with green folowers. I have never had a problem with even the most ratty looking and abused AK mags. Just look at the way the feedlips are reinforced on AK and H&K mags.

I have heard that you can use AK-74 mags, but they will jam if you load them all the way. A feed ramp has to be added as well with these mags.
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Obviously, They were USGI with green folowers. I have never had a problem with even the most ratty looking and abused AK mags. Just look at the way the feedlips are reinforced on AK and H&K mags.

I have heard that you can use AK-74 mags, but they will jam if you load them all the way. A feed ramp has to be added as well with these mags.
Try Brownells version of the AR mags or even magpul's P-mags. Niether have given me ANY problems

I plan on a feed ramp no matter what, even if I keep it using stock ones. That gap is kinda retarded.

It pisses me the fuck off that 223 AK mags have gotten stupid rare and pricey WTF I could have gotten bulgy 223 waffle mags for like $10 each just last year
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6-10.
every rifle I have has at LEAST 6 magazines for it.

See my solution is so much simpler.
20 FAL mags.
Every rifle takes FAl mags

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Try Brownells version of the AR mags or even magpul's P-mags. Niether have given me ANY problems

I plan on a feed ramp no matter what, even if I keep it using stock ones. That gap is kinda retarded.

It pisses me the fuck off that 223 AK mags have gotten stupid rare and pricey WTF I could have gotten bulgy 223 waffle mags for like $10 each just last year
Let me know if you want some Surefire, USA, 223 Saiga mags.
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Let me know if you want some Surefire, USA, 223 Saiga mags.
Tell me the price first
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Old 09-26-2008, 08:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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is this a POS?
http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.ph...products_id=52
US made front sight base with 24mm threads.
it would solve a BUNCH of shit
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That company is Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne/etc...

A bunch of douchebags, but they do have a lot of things available nowhere else. I'd say go for it at $25, just don't buy a complete firearm from them.

That Valmet style FSB is effing pimp, too bad it's so damn pricey.


EDIT: and I love the tactical daisy BB pistol tactically wielded by the tactically gas masked tactical dude.

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That company is Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne/etc...

A bunch of douchebags, but they do have a lot of things available nowhere else. I'd say go for it at $25, just don't buy a complete firearm from them.

That Valmet style FSB is effing pimp, too bad it's so damn pricey.
ya, I know who they are and the crap shoot of full parts kits. I just want that and some handguards.
I was thinking that and this
http://www.midwestarmory.com/page6.html


with some US 74 furniture
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One of those would be great, but midwest closed up shop a while back.
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One of those would be great, but midwest closed up shop a while back.
FUCK

now I need to find a "real" 24mm 74 brake for under say...$40
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