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Old 10-09-2008, 07:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1k Privi 223 350$ shipped

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Old 10-09-2008, 08:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sweet deal, that's good ammo.

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Old 10-09-2008, 08:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Damn, dude. Do you have me on ignore, or what?

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EDIT: They changed *my* link. This just hasn't been my week.

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Old 10-09-2008, 08:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Damn, dude. Do you have me on ignore, or what?

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EDIT: They changed *my* link. This just hasn't been my week.
Yeah...but TN sales taxe sucks any savings from that deal...dang....
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It's generally worth going up there, though. Their "store" is pretty interesting.
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Old 10-10-2008, 02:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Anybody know how well that brass handles reloading?
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Damn, dude. Do you have me on ignore, or what?

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EDIT: They changed *my* link. This just hasn't been my week.
yeah

I did check your link before posting.
I probably should of just added this to the ammo deals thread,
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Anybody know how well that brass handles reloading?
So far yes. I only had 100rds, and have only reloaded it once, but it all looks good,
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AIM has the .223 and 5.56 stuff for around that price too - a bit more after shipping. Just FYI.
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I cannot imagine why you guys would pay that kind of money when you can get a reloading press and load 2-3,000 rounds for that.
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I cannot imagine why you guys would pay that kind of money when you can get a reloading press and load 2-3,000 rounds for that.
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I cannot imagine why you guys would pay that kind of money when you can get a reloading press and load 2-3,000 rounds for that.
Because I'm too fucking lazy to reload.
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how is the HotShot romy 7.63x39 stuff?
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I cannot imagine why you guys would pay that kind of money when you can get a reloading press and load 2-3,000 rounds for that.
I dont have time to dismount a set of wheels so you can have the tires but I should buy equipment, learn to reload, and then actually do it. You craaaaazy.
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I cannot imagine why you guys would pay that kind of money when you can get a reloading press and load 2-3,000 rounds for that.
$350 to load 2-3k .223?
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how is the HotShot romy 7.63x39 stuff?
I was wondering about that too - anyone know anything about it?
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$350 to load 2-3k .223?
Yes.

I have bullets that I paid $31 a thou for. $62 for 2k of bullets, $120 for brass, $25 for primers, and $90 for an 8lb jug of powder. That's $328 for 2000 rounds without even reusing the brass at all, and you will have powder left over. Even at current bullet prices ($65 a thou) you still pay almost twice as much to have someone else load your ammo for you.

Reloading pays for itself VERY fast in this caliber. The ammo is WAY overpriced.

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I have bullets that I paid $31 a thou for. $62 for 2k of bullets, $120 for brass, $25 for primers, and $90 for an 8lb jug of powder. That's $328 for 2000 rounds without even reusing the brass at all, and you will have powder left over. Even at current bullet prices ($65 a thou) you still pay almost twice as much to have someone else load your ammo for you.

Reloading pays for itself VERY fast in this caliber. The ammo is WAY overpriced.
ok, so I can't add up your crazy math, but sure. Then there's the extra $350+ for equipment. and then what? I don't shoot 2k rounds that fast. So id have reloading equipment sitting around waiting on me to load the stuff, when as fast as the reloading supplies can arrive I can go out and shoot. :shrug: Doesn't work for everyone.
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I don't know how fast you "go out and shoot" but I've loaded 4-500 rounds in an evening before going out shooting the next day. Are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't load your own if you could shoot TWICE as much for the same price?
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I have bullets that I paid $31 a thou for. $62 for 2k of bullets, $120 for brass, $25 for primers, and $90 for an 8lb jug of powder. That's $328 for 2000 rounds without even reusing the brass at all, and you will have powder left over. Even at current bullet prices ($65 a thou) you still pay almost twice as much to have someone else load your ammo for you.

Reloading pays for itself VERY fast in this caliber. The ammo is WAY overpriced.


Those are very old prices you are quoting.

Bullets are about 70 per k, same goes for brass (once fired), primers 25k, powder is 140 8lb.
Thats using new products not surplus (other then the once fired). new brass will run you over 150 per K.

Works out to ~200$ per K. assuming 2400rds for 8lb keg. So 400$ for 2k. With once fired.

New brass its almost the same as the COTS stuff, but you don't have any time invested. So using all brand new components vs paying $350k is pretty even. I would not say that the ammo is WAY over priced. Given current cost of raw matterials, $350 for COTS brass cased boxer primed ammo is fair.

Yes go surplus powder, pulled bullets, once fired brass you can get down to ~160k.

With a good progressive used from ebay for under 200$ you can do maybe 500hr.

So four hours and 600$ later you have sk of ammo and have saved 100$.

You should be able to get 4 reloads out of it (probably more like 8). No brass expense so its ~130k. 260 per 2k plus another 4 hours.

So 10k of reloading will cost you 1640$ and 20hrs of time.
10k of commercial is 3500$.

Reloading can save you a lot of money if you get over the initial shock. Add a 30$ set of dies to that intial set up and you can now load a second caliber. BUT you have to have the free time to do it. I have definitely had times where sitting down for a couple hours a week and cranking out ammo was not a big deal. 2 jobs, 2 kids, blown engine in the Rover, not the case now.

I charge $75 an hour for labor. I would rather spend the time in the garage building an AK for someone then reloading ammo. I am sure there are members of this board that I would spend even more time building AKs

2k of comercial ammo is also a good starting point to reloading. its a good batch of starter brass.

Also if you are going to go to a training course they strongly recommend that you don't show up with reloads or wolf. This is based on years of experiance. "That Guy" is always the one with the homemade kit gun or reloads.

For me I also prefer to use a known commercially available product to test fire. "Here is your target and the end flap from the carton of ammo that shot it"
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It's good to go. A buddy picked up two cans the last time we were up there. He's been bragging on it.
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Powder $140 per 8 lbs?

http://www.patsreloading.com/patsrel/prices.htm

You need to do some more research.

Brass is out there for $60 a thou even now.
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My free time is way to valuable to spend it reloading.

I'd much rather use it arguing on the internet about how a 1911 has the perfect grip angle for everyones hand or spreading the all polymer guns are garbage gospel.
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My free time is way to valuable to spend it reloading.
At what price? How much benefit needs to come from reloading before it'll be worth it to pull the handle?
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At what price? How much benefit needs to come from reloading before it'll be worth it to pull the handle?
I shoot all the 5.56, 7.62 and .50 cal I can stand 3-4 times a year on Uncles tab. The only thing I shoot a lot of that comes out of my budget is 9mm, and then it's only an average of about 400 per month. That's 80 bucks a month of WWB from walmart, how many months of shooting would it take to pay off the equipment?

I suppose I do also shoot a lot of .22lr and 7.62x54r, but both are so cheap I don't care.

Plus I don't enjoy repetitive tasks, do I really want to take time away from my daughter to pull a lever and save a couple bucks a month? Fuck no.

Maybe someday I'll take up reloading but right now I'll just keep paying a factory to put my ammo together for me and enjoy my free time.
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