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Old 01-09-2009, 09:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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School me on full auto, I have created a monster.

I have turned a good friend into a bonafide gun nut.
My buddy calls me out of the blue and says he has bought a handgun, he is the last person I would have expected this from and I tell him his new 9mm glock is a great pice for wemmens and pussys. He calls back to see if I approve of his new Springfield 1911 and now he has a bucket full of handguns. His latest is a SW .500 and he has just finished his CWP.
Well, We go to the range and rent the rock and roll MP5 and burn through 600 rounds of ammo at full auto and he can't talk about anything else. He has to have one.
This is a level of gun purchace that is beyound me. What really is involved? Who is a reputable dealer and how do you know what is a good price? The interweb sites I have searched seem to have prices across the board. And finally,short of a belt fed weapon, what would YOU buy? He really likes the Sub Stuff but would say a M16 be a better bang for the buck?

In summary,
My buddy has gobs of cash.
He wants a Full Auto.
Help?
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at least he has the gobs of cash
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1) gather 18-20 grand in cash
2) find Mp5 for sale
3) then worry about how to get one
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if i could have any full auto firearm it would be a mp44 or a ppsh 41.
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It looks like Impact Guns has one in stock for $17k.
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You could have a Reising .45 for 5K. Look in Shotgun News for prices
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You could have a Reising .45 for 5K. Look in Shotgun News for prices
Or an M11 for $3000.
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They run about $17k for the cheapest ones I have seen. These websites should help:
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/?...=&session_key=
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi
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Besdies the gobs of cash to acquire one, then it takes gobs of cash to feed one...

We shoot 45, 9 mm, 380acp, 223, and some russian cartridge all in FA.
We have a very private area that we use to avoid "disturbing the uninformed".
I reload for the 45 and the 223.

My FAVORITE is the M16...

BUT a tricked out Mac 10 type in 45 or 9MM converted to slow fire is a lot cheaper and even cheaper to shoot. SLOW FIRE is SO DAMN FUN!


Do not know where your buddy lives, but I can put him intouch with some Class 3 dealers that I know localy in Western NC.

Then all he has to do is get his paper work done if he is in a FA friendly state and county.


BEST is a FA sub gun with a Silencer. Then you can play very descreetely
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Dear sweet shit in a bucket, wat is so special about that thing that it is $17k!!?!?!?
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Dear sweet shit in a bucket, wat is so special about that thing that it is $17k!!?!?!?
There haven't been any more made for civilians since 1986.
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There haven't been any more made for civilians since 1986.
Asbestos isn't made for civvies anymore either!

Seriouly, is there something really special about it or just the fact that they are scarce?
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just the fact that they are scarce?
That.

If you could go down to the local gunshop and buy a FA rifle new in the box today, it'd cost maybe $50-100 more than a semi-only one (there's a bit more machine work, and a few more parts, depending on which rifle we're talking about) to actually buy. Just like buying a mint '68 Camaro... there aren't any more '68 Camaros being made.
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Amanda,

Basically the reason they are is so expensive is the Laws revolving around civilian ownership of FA toys. ANYthing FA made after 1986 is only legal for millitary or law enforcement and NOT civies.

So basically, all the FA toys available for civies HAD to be registered befor 1986. Their are only a certain quanitity and their will never be anymore
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Amanda,

Basically the reason they are is so expensive is the Laws revolving around civilian ownership of FA toys. ANYthing FA made after 1986 is only legal for millitary or law enforcement and NOT civies.

So basically, all the FA toys available for civies HAD to be registered befor 1986. Their are only a certain quanitity and their will never be anymore

So law enforcement does not pay these ridiculous prices correct?

And you still have to get signed off from the sheriff to buy these weapons?
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Broncman,
We are south of you,coastal SC. Would love to talk with some dealers.
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PM me about what you are looking for. I live in Western NC. You can buy from pretty much any class 3 dealers or even individuals but you must have all your FFL stuff approved. I am going out of town for the weekend( taking toys )
I will do my homework on SC laws and put you in touch with a class 3 dealer.

Here in NC, we have to have our Sherrif sign off and he is Class 3 friendly.

What county in SC?
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So law enforcement does not pay these ridiculous prices correct?

And you still have to get signed off from the sheriff to buy these weapons?
LE/MIL does not pay ridiculous prices or transfer tax. They just simply buy new whatever, at standard price for that product (which is probably not terribly far $$-wise from what Joe Average pays for the semi-auto-only variant, although it's probably marked-up a bit more than typical retail because of the hassle for the dealer to be ATF-blessed to deal with it). They cannot sell it as surplus, though--police trade-in handguns can be sold normally, but a PD can't sell an M4 to anybody but another LE/MIL organization, a dealer licensed to deal in FA stuff, or they have to destroy it.

You as a civilian have to get a signoff from your cheif LEO, which as I understand, means your chief of police if you live in an incorporated city, or your sherriff if you live outside of city limits. The trust workaround seems pretty common (living trusts don't have to get signoffs) but that's a whole separate discussion. And you as a civilian (or under a trust) have to pay the transfer tax as well.
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Amanda,

Basically the reason they are is so expensive is the Laws revolving around civilian ownership of FA toys. ANYthing FA made after 1986 is only legal for millitary or law enforcement and NOT civies.

So basically, all the FA toys available for civies HAD to be registered befor 1986. Their are only a certain quanitity and their will never be anymore
we can't have them in Washington anyway so it really doesn't matter
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LE/MIL does not pay ridiculous prices or transfer tax. They just simply buy new whatever, at standard price for that product (which is probably not terribly far $$-wise from what Joe Average pays for the semi-auto-only variant, although it's probably marked-up a bit more than typical retail because of the hassle for the dealer to be ATF-blessed to deal with it). They cannot sell it as surplus, though--police trade-in handguns can be sold normally, but a PD can't sell an M4 to anybody but another LE/MIL organization, a dealer licensed to deal in FA stuff, or they have to destroy it.

You as a civilian have to get a signoff from your cheif LEO, which as I understand, means your chief of police if you live in an incorporated city, or your sherriff if you live outside of city limits. The trust workaround seems pretty common (living trusts don't have to get signoffs) but that's a whole separate discussion. And you as a civilian (or under a trust) have to pay the transfer tax as well.
Do you know if a individual LEO can purchase a FA himself, or does it have to be a department owned gun? If so, what about converting semi-auto guns?
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So law enforcement does not pay these ridiculous prices correct?
a HK MP5 for them runs around 3k
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Do you know if a individual LEO can purchase a FA himself, or does it have to be a department owned gun? If so, what about converting semi-auto guns?
As I understand, it has to be department owned. It can be issued, even long-term, but a cop is an individual, subject to the "no post-86 ownership" rules just like everybody else.

Converting a formerly semi-auto gun to full-auto would probably have to be done by an FFL07/SOT, and would be considered "manufacturing" a new gun, even if it's on an old serial number. Even if it could legally be done by LE/MIL, it'd require ATF registration (but not tax) as a machine gun, and once done, can't (that I know of) be "undone" in order to dispose of the weapon into the civilian market.

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PM me about what you are looking for. I live in Western NC. You can buy from pretty much any class 3 dealers or even individuals but you must have all your FFL stuff approved. I am going out of town for the weekend( taking toys )
I will do my homework on SC laws and put you in touch with a class 3 dealer.

Here in NC, we have to have our Sherrif sign off and he is Class 3 friendly.

What county in SC?
So I take it there is some sort of grandfather clause in NC? Reading the NC firearm laws, I took it to mean that unless you were Military, Law enforcement or a qualified research firm, you couldn't have any of that fun stuff?

Is that just the case for the unwashed masses?

I'd really like to know what it takes to get a silencer legally.

I need to get on friendlier terms with my sheriff.
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We are in Charleston County.

Looks like it dosen't HAVE to be a Co Sherrif. Could be a Judge or other leo.
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