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Old 01-23-2009, 07:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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AWB II : So what would the impacts be?

Other than the fact of our 2nd Amendment rights being infringed. If you look at the firearm industry right now it is BOOOOOMING ! What are there companies like 60,000 ARs in BACKORDER?? and that being like 1 company How many lowers do you think are on backorder? How much up and down the food chain do you think it would hit? I am thinking all the way up to the 3lb block of aluminum that is purchased to even make the things.

Every one else is asking for bailouts and the gun makers are working 27/7 to catch the fuck up.

so if/when an assualt weapon ban is reinstated how much of an impact do you think it would have?
And do you think anyone in DC has any idea of the overall impact it would cause?
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I'd be out 15k on product not to my house yet. an AWB would make me angry.

noticed the Porn industry asking for a bail out why not the gun guys

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It will just further prove to me our country is heading in a direction our founding fathers would be sad to see.. they gave there lives to give us the constitution Including the second ammendment.. We need to get more people shooting.. Get everyone you can to go to a appleseed to learn to shoot and see what our country is all about..Very Good time for all www.appleseedinfo.org
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If I am reading it correctly the ban would only apply to white male's
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I am positive that the grabbers are very aware of the economics of destroying one of the only current growth economic areas...Now if they were smart they would continue to insinuate and threaten the ban for at least the next 7.5 years.
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Now if they were smart they would continue to insinuate and threaten the ban for at least the next 7.5 years.
I certainly hope so
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I'm being naieve and hoping there won't be one, at least for a while.
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I don't. I can't afford to keep buying rifles if they're gonna be asking 1000's of dollars for essentially a 300-dollar item.
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If they're really smart, they'll look at how much tax revenue they're reaping from the firearms industry, and not kill the golden goose, but I doubt they're that forward-thinking.
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I don't. I can't afford to keep buying rifles if they're gonna be asking 1000's of dollars for essentially a 300-dollar item.

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If they're really smart, they'll look at how much tax revenue they're reaping from the firearms industry, and not kill the golden goose, but I doubt they're that forward-thinking.
Thats what scares me. Ohh they are paying 14% FAET now, lets raise it. Same as gas a nd cig tax
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As for actual impacts, I'd guess thousands of American manufacturing jobs lost, tens of millions of dollars worth of tax revenue lost, and a cascading effect through retail that puts tens of thousands more, out of work.
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As for actual impacts, I'd guess thousands of American manufacturing jobs lost, tens of millions of dollars worth of tax revenue lost, and a cascading effect through retail that puts tens of thousands more, out of work.
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As for actual impacts, I'd guess thousands of American manufacturing jobs lost, tens of millions of dollars worth of tax revenue lost, and a cascading effect through retail that puts tens of thousands more, out of work.
agreed
back after AWBI hit, over 50% of small arms manufacturers eventually shut down and nearly 60% of the FFL01s shut down...not to mention the effect up the pipeline...I know of at least five large distributors that bit the dust and these were companies making 100K net yearly before that...
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Here is the problem. Everyone is buying because they think the EBRs are oging to quadruple in price. They will, for the couple months it takes from passing the ban to it being effective. However, once it passes, I believe their will be a no transfer policy just like CA has already on their banned yet registered. The day the law goes into effect, they are worthless because they are non transferrable. I hope I am wrong.

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Here is the problem. Everyone is buying because they think the EBRs are oging to quadruple in price. They will, for the couple months it takes from passing the ban to it being effective. However, once it passes, I believe their will be a no transfer policy just like CA has already on their banned yet registered. The day the law goes into effect, they are worthless because they are non transferrable. I hope I am wrong.

We need to fight as a team. Including the NRA and all the other groups. We need them right now, and we need to support them.
I tend to agree. IF there is a new AWB I believe the antis would have learned from the failed last one and it would be worse, much, much worse.

Anything that meets what ever definition they come up with for assault weapon that is currently in civilian hands gets reclassed as an NFA item. Set it up like MGs where no new for civilian manufacture authorized. Combine this with a $5000 NFA transfer tax.

Personally I think saying "no transfers at all" on existing items like CA did would meet way too much resistance, but reclassification seems pretty straight forward.

Though no transfer at all could be possible. Which scares the fuck out of me. I currently have a little over $60,000 worth of lower receivers on order. Day after they arrive here, laws get ennacted and I am not allowed to sell them = instant bankruptcy for SRP
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I tend to agree. IF there is a new AWB I believe the antis would have learned from the failed last one and it would be worse, much, much worse.

Anything that meets what ever definition they come up with for assault weapon that is currently in civilian hands gets reclassed as an NFA item. Set it up like MGs where no new for civilian manufacture authorized. Combine this with a $5000 NFA transfer tax.

Personally I think saying "no transfers at all" on existing items like CA did would meet way too much resistance, but reclassification seems pretty straight forward.

Though no transfer at all could be possible. Which scares the fuck out of me. I currently have a little over $60,000 worth of lower receivers on order. Day after they arrive here, laws get ennacted and I am not allowed to sell them = instant transformation into Rover's 1st militia

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So if a new AWB was enacted. How many people do you think would start buying guns in illegal gun markets? (My economics paper was based on that).
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So if a new AWB was enacted. How many people do you think would start buying books in illegal gun markets? (My economics paper was based on that).

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LOL. Don't know what I was thinking. Fixed.
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I tend to agree. IF there is a new AWB I believe the antis would have learned from the failed last one and it would be worse, much, much worse.

Anything that meets what ever definition they come up with for assault weapon that is currently in civilian hands gets reclassed as an NFA item. Set it up like MGs where no new for civilian manufacture authorized. Combine this with a $5000 NFA transfer tax.

Personally I think saying "no transfers at all" on existing items like CA did would meet way too much resistance, but reclassification seems pretty straight forward.

Though no transfer at all could be possible. Which scares the fuck out of me. I currently have a little over $60,000 worth of lower receivers on order. Day after they arrive here, laws get ennacted and I am not allowed to sell them = instant bankruptcy for SRP

You and me both... I don't have any where near 60K on order, I am near the 6k range, but for a guy with little money and assets, it would mean selling my rock rig.
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If they're really smart, they'll look at how much tax revenue they're reaping from the firearms industry, and not kill the golden goose, but I doubt they're that forward-thinking.
Since when in recent times have the government as a whole been worried about tax revenue? They are just building up a huge debt. Its not like they NEED income to spend money... that's just nonsense talking

I'm being sarcastic obviously, but my point is serious. I don't think they really care about tax revenue vs. spending as much as a normal person cares about their own finances... if that makes sense.

The idea of disarming the public would be much more appealing to officials than tax revenue in my opinion.

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The shooting in Miami will be the latest catalyst for AWB 2. What I always wonder when I here the news about shootings is, was that weapon legally possessed?

If bad guys are using illegal weapons now, what will taking weapons away from the good guys do? I mean besides making more victims.
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The shooting in Miami will be the latest catalyst for AWB 2. What I always wonder when I here the news about shootings is, was that weapon legally possessed?

If bad guys are using illegal weapons now, what will taking weapons away from the good guys do? I mean besides making more victims.
Troof. I've never seen a news story about the black market for firearms in the USA. Where are these guys gettin' these things?

What's really cool is when Oakland has a "gun buy back". You can break into someones house, steal their S&W, shoot some fucker with it and then Jerry Brown will buy it off you for $40 no questions asked.
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