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Mo · 02-02-2009, 03:26 PM

and it's not going to wrok.

I have a Winchester 1300 bird gun that I was going to convert to a defender style. found the defender 8 shot mag tube - traded a couple of rusty ak mags for it. took the whole thing apart and was all set to pull the mag tube (it's press fit) and I realized it wont work unless I get the defender barrel. the lug/ring is in a different place, so I can't put the mag cap back on as the mag is longer..

argh. I'd probably end up boogering up the throat tube pressing the mag tube out and back in anyway.

Azzy2000 · 02-02-2009, 08:26 PM

bandsaw, welder, drill press, assorted hand tools = fixed

urbanmuddboger · 02-02-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Azzy2000

bandsaw, welder, drill press, assorted hand tools = fixed

add some duct tape wd 40 grinder epoxie and some flat black spray paint and yous got yr self a real purty boomstick

Mo · 02-02-2009, 10:18 PM

I'm thinking either sell it and buy an aftermarket extension, or bootyfab up a piece of tubing to sleeve the mag tube from the end of the mag tube down to the barrel lug.

if this thing weren't free, I'd just get something else. all I have into it now is 3 of the 'rusty' ak mags.

Napoleon047 · 02-03-2009, 05:15 AM

The barrel lug should be soldered to the barrel, so all you really need to do is heat it up, remove it, and re-solder it in the correct place.

Mo · 02-03-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon047

The barrel lug should be soldered to the barrel, so all you really need to do is heat it up, remove it, and re-solder it in the correct place.

really? Silver solder melts at what... 500* or so?

might have to bust out my bernzomatic and see what I can get done...

Mo · 02-03-2009, 07:39 AM

alright - 1275 or so.

will a propane torch get that hot?

The Black Sheep · 02-03-2009, 07:43 AM

From what I read that temp gets things a dull cherry red based on articles ive read about permatly attaching comp/brakes on AR barrels for states (like mine) that still have post ban AR laws.

urbanmuddboger · 02-03-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo

alright - 1275 or so.

will a propane torch get that hot?

propane yes but it will take a while like a long while
if you got the benzo torch head i think you can just screw a mapp gass cylinder right on to it. here is some info on mapp vs pro

Mapp Gas

Mapp gas is made from combining liquefied petroleum and Methylacetylene-Propadine. It can be used for heating, brazing, metalizing, soldering, flame hardening and cutting. Mapp gas produces a flame temperature of 5301° F (2927° C) and 2405 Btus. Making it a good choice when a hotter flame is neded for example breaking a rust bond on a pipe or a large plumbing repair that is at leat 2”.

Propane

Propane is made from refining crude petroleum and natural gas. It does not burn as hot as mapp gas making it a better choice for1/2” and 3/4” plumbing. Propane is often the choice for the homeowner or do-it-yourselfer because it works well for small jobs and is significantly cheaper than map gas.

aloharover · 02-03-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo

alright - 1275 or so.

will a propane torch get that hot?

Bring it with you next time you come over and barrow the oxy/acet

Mo · 02-03-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aloharover

Bring it with you next time you come over and barrow the oxy/acet

sweet. will do. thanks.

Napoleon047 · 02-03-2009, 04:37 PM

"gun solder" melts at a fairly low temp. This stuff melts at 430:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=813132

Lots of double rifles and double shotguns have the barrels soldered to the middle rib.

ItsaCJ6 · 02-03-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo

alright - 1275 or so.

will a propane torch get that hot?

Not at your elevation..see Pete..

Triaged · 02-03-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo

I'm thinking...sell it and buy an aftermarket extension...

Sounds like the only reasonable answer to me. If it was a Mossburg that you couldn't put an extension then I could see going to all the trouble but not if there is such a simple solution already out there.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...campaign=10636

Diesel Smoke · 02-05-2009, 06:23 PM

I was reading the Hiking/pack rifle thread and quickly looked up the AR-7. I found this site by total chance. Pretty good price on the defender barrel, even with night sights. I was considering this option with my 1300, but I still shoot trap from time to time.

Defender barrel

Ben Segrest · 02-05-2009, 06:54 PM

Those are hella cheep 10/22 barrels, too. I wonder what brand they are.

Mo · 02-05-2009, 07:37 PM

I found that also. I'm thinking I'm going to sell the defender mag for about what mag tube extension will cost. a few mins with a chop saw, a file, and some emery cloth, and Im golden.

urbanmuddboger · 02-05-2009, 09:58 PM

thats the spirit
now post pics of you cutting up shotty

02-02-2009, 03:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,668	thought I'd do it the 'right way' and it's not going to wrok. I have a Winchester 1300 bird gun that I was going to convert to a defender style. found the defender 8 shot mag tube - traded a couple of rusty ak mags for it. took the whole thing apart and was all set to pull the mag tube (it's press fit) and I realized it wont work unless I get the defender barrel. the lug/ring is in a different place, so I can't put the mag cap back on as the mag is longer.. argh. I'd probably end up boogering up the throat tube pressing the mag tube out and back in anyway.

02-03-2009, 07:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
The Black Sheep Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40587 Location: SouthEastern CT, Near South Rd./White Rock Posts: 3,062	From what I read that temp gets things a dull cherry red based on articles ive read about permatly attaching comp/brakes on AR barrels for states (like mine) that still have post ban AR laws. __________________ [QUOTE=Dieselmh]I'll cave his fucking head in with a shovel, just to show him that just because he has opposable thumbs, that doesn't put him on the same badassedness level as humans. Stupid arrogant possums. :shaking:[/QUOTE]

02-03-2009, 04:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Member # 23596 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 857	"gun solder" melts at a fairly low temp. This stuff melts at 430: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=813132 Lots of double rifles and double shotguns have the barrels soldered to the middle rib. Last edited by Napoleon047; 02-03-2009 at 04:38 PM.

02-05-2009, 06:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Diesel Smoke "Official" Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27575 Location: Oregon, Our voters are that Dumb Posts: 3,384	I was reading the Hiking/pack rifle thread and quickly looked up the AR-7. I found this site by total chance. Pretty good price on the defender barrel, even with night sights. I was considering this option with my 1300, but I still shoot trap from time to time. Defender barrel __________________ Wheeling?!?!? WTF is that?

02-05-2009, 06:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ben Segrest Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13467 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 3,657	Those are hella cheep 10/22 barrels, too. I wonder what brand they are. __________________ [QUOTE=Willyswanter's Dad;8398776]I'm trying to find spinner caps that will fit the wheels so when I'm stuck it will look as though I'm still wheeling[/QUOTE]

02-02-2009, 08:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Azzy2000 Mr. Personality Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11869 Location: Yukon, OK Posts: 4,284	bandsaw, welder, drill press, assorted hand tools = fixed

02-02-2009, 10:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,668	I'm thinking either sell it and buy an aftermarket extension, or bootyfab up a piece of tubing to sleeve the mag tube from the end of the mag tube down to the barrel lug. if this thing weren't free, I'd just get something else. all I have into it now is 3 of the 'rusty' ak mags.

02-03-2009, 05:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Member # 23596 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 857	The barrel lug should be soldered to the barrel, so all you really need to do is heat it up, remove it, and re-solder it in the correct place.

02-03-2009, 07:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,668	alright - 1275 or so. will a propane torch get that hot?

02-05-2009, 07:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: Lizzy, CO Posts: 15,668	I found that also. I'm thinking I'm going to sell the defender mag for about what mag tube extension will cost. a few mins with a chop saw, a file, and some emery cloth, and Im golden.

02-05-2009, 09:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
urbanmuddboger Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 102365 Location: cottonwood ca Posts: 1,170	thats the spirit now post pics of you cutting up shotty __________________ MOLON LABE

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