Vaseline on wolf ammo?

[D_JEEPER]

ok...(getting this part out of the way so you dont have to) since i obviously have 55 gallon drums of vaseline laying around from my random ass raping experiences i will ask this question

Do you think that a very very light coating of vaseline on wolf ammo will keep the coating from sticking to the chamber? im talking just enough to make the round "slick".

The reason i ask can be explained by this pic.



i know it might get messy after 100's of rounds, but the way i see it, it might help keep the gun lubricated too, haha.


random thought here, whats your opinion?

[Azzy2000]

The case appears to be corroded, which could very well explain why it stuck in the chamber well enough for the extractor to tear the rim.


Vaseline = NO

Good quality, good condition ammo = Better solution

[D_JEEPER]

the case was not corroded. that was their new "awesome coating" that flaked off and caked to the inside of the chamber.

i know better ammo is cleaner... thats a given. thats why my grab and go as well as my vest mags are LC brass.

[Chister]

eewwwwwww nooo......

[D_JEEPER]

what about any other type of coating?

pam in the chamber?

[maxyedor]

Originally Posted by D_JEEPER

pam in the chamber?

Go for the garlic and herb Pam, I know it keeps mud from sticking to a dirt bikes, so worst case scenario you'll have a stuck case and a damn fine smelling rifle

[D_JEEPER]

lolol

nice

[kwrangln]

Originally Posted by D_JEEPER

the case was not corroded. that was their new "awesome coating" that flaked off and caked to the inside of the chamber.

i know better ammo is cleaner... thats a given. thats why my grab and go as well as my vest mags are LC brass.

This is the same fawkin myth that has been circulating about Wolf and other steel cased ammo for decades now, and it's bullshit.

The coating is NOT the problem.

What's happening is that while the steel case is made out of a pretty soft alloy of steel, it still does not expand like a brass case does to seal the chamber. Since the chamber is not perfectly sealed there is some blow by which deposits carbon and other crap associated with gunpowder going bang. These deposits build up inside your chamber until a casing gets stuck. The black crap you see on the casing is actually carbon deposits.

You are more likely to stick a brass case after shooting steel cased ammo because of the brass expanding more and getting caught in the carbon buildup.

Putting Vasaline or other grease type lubes on your ammo and into your chamber is asking for crap to get stuck to the lube and then jam your chamber up worse.

Fawking dumb idea, save the Vasaline for the next time you give up the goods to your boyfriend, keep it away from guns.

[leben_sie_gut]

Originally Posted by maxyedor

Go for the garlic and herb Pam, I know it keeps mud from sticking to a dirt bikes, so worst case scenario you'll have a stuck case and a damn fine smelling rifle

Yes, and if attacked by vampires, the garlic may help there too.

[animator]

Like mentioned, I'd think the vaseline would cause the carbon fouling to build up much faster than without it. If you wanted to use any kind of lubricant, I'd think something dry, like graphite would be a lot better.

But if you're having to lube your rounds, there's a problem somewhere else that's being overlooked...

[WillyPete]

Some of the crazy handloaders around here will put a light coat of oil on their crazy handloads before firing so they're easier to remove from the chamber (70, 80, 90 k psi loads )

Clean more often.

[TheRedHorseman]

Just clean the chamber out once in a while you lazy bastard.

[atblis]

I wonder what the gun that fired that does to normal brass cased ammo? It wouldn't surprise me if it mangled those too.
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[D_JEEPER]

i clean my rifle extensively after every outing...and depending on how much im shooting, sometimes during the outing.

teflon coat the chamber?

[D_JEEPER]

Originally Posted by atblis

I wonder what the gun that fired that does to normal brass cased ammo? It wouldn't surprise me if it mangled those too.

are you referring to my pic? That was a round that came out of my rifle. The extractor pulled the rim clean off. I have to take the carrier out, flip the bolt, secure it in place with a spent 22 casing to grab the round 180* on the other side of the rim.

that worked after some curse words and gravity slams (muzzle always above me and pointed in a safe direction)

[sharpshooter]

Originally Posted by kwrangln

This is the same fawkin myth that has been circulating about Wolf and other steel cased ammo for decades now, and it's bullshit.

The coating is NOT the problem.

What's happening is that while the steel case is made out of a pretty soft alloy of steel, it still does not expand like a brass case does to seal the chamber. Since the chamber is not perfectly sealed there is some blow by which deposits carbon and other crap associated with gunpowder going bang. These deposits build up inside your chamber until a casing gets stuck. The black crap you see on the casing is actually carbon deposits.

x2
lack of expansion, fouling between chamber and case, short stroke, stuck case.

My solution was to stop shooting steel case ammo in the rifle that was affected.

[zukitough]

why not use CLP?

[usmcdoc14]

I can trade you your steel cased for brass cased. 1.5 steel for 1 of my federal brass 5.56
My guns feed that shit just fine

[D_JEEPER]

im going to give it another shot. (literally)

i did jam up on my buddy's ammo... so maybe his was just old?

CLP is a good question. anyone think anything of that?

now, im not talking about dipping my full 30 round mags in a vat of CLP... im talking about spraying some on a towel, dropping the rounds into it, then rolling them around for a nice thin layer.

I have to make it out to the range some time... but when is the real question... >.<

[animator]

Before I would go dipping my ammo in oil, I'd rather take a 9mm bore brush and attach it to a variable-speed power drill, and scrub out my chamber for a few minutes with it. You'd be amazed at the shine it can produce...

[PONY_DRIVER]

What condition was the casing in before you fired it?

[zukitough]

Originally Posted by D_JEEPER

now, im not talking about dipping my full 30 round mags in a vat of CLP... im talking about spraying some on a towel, dropping the rounds into it, then rolling them around for a nice thin layer.

Originally Posted by animator

Before I would go dipping my ammo in oil,..

He said he is NOT oil dipping. I wasnt suggesting it either. LIGHTLY oil a shop towel and rub a very thin coat over all ammo. We were trained this way back 15 years ago in Basic Training, even though we use brass ammo. The protectant qualities of CLP can only make the situation better if used very sapringly.

[D_JEEPER]

the ammo casings were visually inspected as i was taking my buddy's mag and placing it into my rifle. read: i looked at the top round and it looked normal, so nothing caught my eye.

i might do the bore brush trick. any type of brush you recommend? any damage possible? (im very hesitant to mess with the chamber/ feed ramps(mine are already M4 style)/ etc etc....)

zuki... you hit it on the head. im not looking for a sopping wet round to shove into the chamber of my rifle. im looking to create a "pam on a pan" effect to prevent as much build up as possible.

reading my clp can, it says operating range up to 475*F. so unless im up to rock and roll finger spazam status, i dont think i will have an issue.

[zukitough]

I just checked again and i didnt see what weapon you are using. AR? AK? Other?

If it is just an AR15 then use a chamber brush. That is what it is called.

[HardBodyJut]

I don't see any good coming from lubricating a round.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the design of the round and the chamber are such that no lubrication should be required. I would think that if you start lubricating you could damage the brass (or whatever yours is made of), or worse the chamber.

In your case, I would check to ensure that both the brass and the chamber are within SAAMI specifications (or whatever other spec your rifle may be built to). It could be that your chamber is on the large end of the spec and that is just enough to cause you problems.