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Sully · 11-08-2010, 09:48 AM

So lately I've found that I am lusting heavily after having an AR pattern rifle in 308. After plenty of research, it seems that the 308 AR market is just plain fawked.

It seems like there are three players:

Armalite
DPMS
Everyone Else

Armalite seems to have the nicest production rifles going... But for no particular good reason, I have focused on having SR25 style magazines, which leaves Armalite out.

DPMS has an EXCELLENT price point, being able to get into a complete rifle for a about $1K right now. But they have that stupid fucking kitty-cat on the side of the gun. Stupid? Yes, it's a dumb reason, but I absolutely HATE that fucking kitty-cat. Why the fuck do they feel the need to put cartoons on the side of their guns?

CMMG Lowers are only a little more expensive than DPMS, and while their rollmark is pretty

too, at least it isn't a goddamed kitty-cat. I have had some lousy customer service from CMMG in the past though, and am not in a hurry to give them any more business.

Then comes all the other players... There are some beautiful recievers out there, like Iron Ridge, but they are priced way more than the DPMS... close to 1K just for the reciever set.

Does anyone out there make a basic 308 reciever, without stupid clowns and unicorns and wild beasts stamped all over it, at a decent price point? It doesn't need to be some fancy CNC piece of art... a 308 equivalent to your basic mil-spec 5.56 lower is all I'm looking for.

YellowIH · 11-08-2010, 09:53 AM

I'm going to chime in as a happy Kitty Cat owner. That is all.

Ben Segrest · 11-08-2010, 09:53 AM

I'm no help for most of your questions, but would like to point out that pmags will work in an armalite with a little bit of modding.

JamesFirearm · 11-08-2010, 10:05 AM

Rock River's LAR-8 is a nice rifle. We've sold a couple of them now. They take FAL mags.

YellowIH · 11-08-2010, 10:05 AM

C-products, magpul, sr-25 mags all fit the Kat

BigGreenMonster · 11-08-2010, 10:11 AM

my only gripe with the armalite is the price of the mags... with that said it is bad ass. it holds just over moa and has knocked down anything i have asked it. it owns the pigs

i was at a gun show and the guy at this ebr table said dpms won the government contract to build 308 rifles for them so the dpms rifles will have a bigger following in the aftermarket. i do not know if that is fact or not i am just reporting what he said. some one can yay or nay it i am sure.

Sully · 11-08-2010, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesFirearm

Rock River's LAR-8 is a nice rifle. We've sold a couple of them now. They take FAL mags.

I've seen the Rodck River, and it looks like a solid gun. I've kind of crossed it off the list though, for the same reason as the armalite, being that I'd like to be able to us SR25 pattern mags. I've also read that it is back ordered up to a year. Don't know how true that is, but it does make me a little hesitant.

Is the RR compatible with DPMS or Armalite style uppers? Or are their uppers unique to their lowers?

chumly2071 · 11-08-2010, 10:26 AM

Classic Arms has a DPMS Sportical .308 with 2 mags, hard case, and cleaning kit for $899. Not sure if that is something that you are looking for or not...

comeonstart · 11-08-2010, 10:37 AM

Would you consider G3 mags? Scott on this board makes some cool billet lowers for G3 mags. They are about the same price as CMMG stuff.

Sully · 11-08-2010, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comeonstart

Would you consider G3 mags? Scott on this board makes some cool billet lowers for G3 mags. They are about the same price as CMMG stuff.

Definitely not looking for something like that. I'm pretty set on the SR25 style mags. If I do decide to deviate from that, it will probably be for an Armalite.

Halogrinder · 11-08-2010, 11:15 AM

IN on teh discussion

even though i dont need it, i want it

aloharover · 11-08-2010, 11:59 AM

Armalite, DPMS, and Rock River are all different uppers. So can not mix and match.
I believe the barrel nut between all three is even different so you need to have a specific forearm.
Grips, Stock, mag latch, bolt hold open, and trigger group are really the only parts that are shareable.

I am not sure on the LaRue OSR, I thought they were Armalite pattern, but don't know for sure.

LMT, POF, Noveske, no idea.

Fulton and CMMG make DPMS pattern.

f0cker · 11-08-2010, 12:09 PM

KAC SR-25 EMC
KAC SR-25 EMR

Go for broke and build up an M110 complete w/ suppressor.

Sully · 11-08-2010, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharover

Armalite, DPMS, and Rock River are all different uppers. So can not mix and match.
I believe the barrel nut between all three is even different so you need to have a specific forearm.
Grips, Stock, mag latch, bolt hold open, and trigger group are really the only parts that are shareable.

I am not sure on the LaRue OSR, I thought they were Armalite pattern, but don't know for sure.

LMT, POF, Noveske, no idea.

Fulton and CMMG make DPMS pattern.

It's my understanding that Noveske is Armalite pattern, POF is DPMS pattern, and the LMT may be DPMS pattern. It is a monolithic upper and takes SR25 style mags. Don't know about the reciever interchangeability.

It really is a shame that their is no standard pattern like there is in the 5.56 world.

Sully · 11-08-2010, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f0cker

KAC SR-25 EMC
KAC SR-25 EMR

Go for broke and build up an M110 complete w/ suppressor.

Your definition of "decent price point" must be a lot different than mine!

CHAD PEZZLE · 11-08-2010, 12:23 PM

Tactical Machining has a decent lower without kitty cats and it's DPMS patterend. Fairly well priced as well. I've got one of the 80% .308 lowers just haven't had time to finish it yet.

www.tacticalmachining.com

Chad

f0cker · 11-08-2010, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

Your definition of "decent price point" must be a lot different than mine!

I did say go for broke.

JamesFirearm · 11-08-2010, 12:50 PM

My distributors have the Rock River AR10's in stock. Also, ordering direct from RRA has been a 2 week lead time lately. Not bad at all. DPMS and Armalite are also fairly easy to get now that the rush has subsided and prices have dropped.

My preference in order (similar gun and price point):
1) RRA
2) DPMS
3) Armalite

Sully · 11-08-2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesFirearm

My distributors have the Rock River AR10's in stock. Also, ordering direct from RRA has been a 2 week lead time lately. Not bad at all. DPMS and Armalite are also fairly easy to get now that the rush has subsided and prices have dropped.

My preference in order (similar gun and price point):
1) RRA
2) DPMS
3) Armalite

Could you elaborate on why your preferences run in that particular order?

Sully · 11-08-2010, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHAD PEZZLE

Tactical Machining has a decent lower without kitty cats and it's DPMS patterend. Fairly well priced as well. I've got one of the 80% .308 lowers just haven't had time to finish it yet.

www.tacticalmachining.com

Chad

Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice clean looks... no wild beasties. Just a gun. And affordable.

Halogrinder · 11-08-2010, 01:22 PM

so the 1 MOA accuracy of the RRA isnt an issue? arnt AR10's sub MOA guns pretty much? i thought AR10's were supposed to be tack drivers or something

CHAD PEZZLE · 11-08-2010, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice clean looks... no wild beasties. Just a gun. And affordable.

Great customer service as well. If it's in stock it'll usually ship within 24 hours. If you call in the order they'll let you know when it will ship. Very friendly.

aloharover · 11-08-2010, 01:45 PM

Have you been here
http://308ar.com/

HotJimmy · 11-08-2010, 04:21 PM

I just got a Tactical Machining .308, its a very nice billet lower.

aloharover · 11-08-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halogrinder

so the 1 MOA accuracy of the RRA isnt an issue? arnt AR10's sub MOA guns pretty much? i thought AR10's were supposed to be tack drivers or something

You can build sub-MOA, but I wouldn't expect it.

11-08-2010, 09:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sully Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12121 Location: Live Free or Die Posts: 4,787	AR Pattern 308s So lately I've found that I am lusting heavily after having an AR pattern rifle in 308. After plenty of research, it seems that the 308 AR market is just plain fawked. It seems like there are three players: Armalite DPMS Everyone Else Armalite seems to have the nicest production rifles going... But for no particular good reason, I have focused on having SR25 style magazines, which leaves Armalite out. DPMS has an EXCELLENT price point, being able to get into a complete rifle for a about $1K right now. But they have that stupid fucking kitty-cat on the side of the gun. Stupid? Yes, it's a dumb reason, but I absolutely HATE that fucking kitty-cat. Why the fuck do they feel the need to put cartoons on the side of their guns? CMMG Lowers are only a little more expensive than DPMS, and while their rollmark is pretty too, at least it isn't a goddamed kitty-cat. I have had some lousy customer service from CMMG in the past though, and am not in a hurry to give them any more business. Then comes all the other players... There are some beautiful recievers out there, like Iron Ridge, but they are priced way more than the DPMS... close to 1K just for the reciever set. Does anyone out there make a basic 308 reciever, without stupid clowns and unicorns and wild beasts stamped all over it, at a decent price point? It doesn't need to be some fancy CNC piece of art... a 308 equivalent to your basic mil-spec 5.56 lower is all I'm looking for. __________________ Live Free or Die Why is mankind the only species that attempts to preserve the shallow end of its gene pool?

11-08-2010, 09:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
YellowIH Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Member # 12036 Location: TN Posts: 3,355	I'm going to chime in as a happy Kitty Cat owner. That is all. __________________ / SS'd 73 IH Scout II & stuff / Μολὼν λάβε / 74-75 IH 200 4x4 Truck Axles / Resident Attorney at Law

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chumly2071 Granite Guru Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8293 Location: Lexington, IL Posts: 740	Classic Arms has a DPMS Sportical .308 with 2 mags, hard case, and cleaning kit for $899. Not sure if that is something that you are looking for or not... __________________ I'm an Engineer. Why leave it alone, when I can REALLY screw it up? ***** There is no mechanical problem so difficult that it can't be solved by brute strength and ignorance.

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comeonstart Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 49939 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 2,802	Would you consider G3 mags? Scott on this board makes some cool billet lowers for G3 mags. They are about the same price as CMMG stuff.

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aloharover Petty Amm Flipper Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14561 Location: Just outside the evac zone Posts: 15,932	Armalite, DPMS, and Rock River are all different uppers. So can not mix and match. I believe the barrel nut between all three is even different so you need to have a specific forearm. Grips, Stock, mag latch, bolt hold open, and trigger group are really the only parts that are shareable. I am not sure on the LaRue OSR, I thought they were Armalite pattern, but don't know for sure. LMT, POF, Noveske, no idea. Fulton and CMMG make DPMS pattern. __________________ Want to know how I lost 35lbs? Try INSANITY®. www.beachbodycoach.com/petermhope I love it when a plan comes together Colorado Springs, CO Based FFL-07/SOT

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CHAD PEZZLE Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13368 Location: Rodent Park, CA Posts: 264	Tactical Machining has a decent lower without kitty cats and it's DPMS patterend. Fairly well priced as well. I've got one of the 80% .308 lowers just haven't had time to finish it yet. www.tacticalmachining.com Chad

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JamesFirearm Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Member # 143354 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 434	My distributors have the Rock River AR10's in stock. Also, ordering direct from RRA has been a 2 week lead time lately. Not bad at all. DPMS and Armalite are also fairly easy to get now that the rush has subsided and prices have dropped. My preference in order (similar gun and price point): 1) RRA 2) DPMS 3) Armalite __________________ Your source for all NFA firearms and accessories!! Contact us for your custom gun coating needs. [URL="http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10878621#post10878621"]NC Star Optics[/URL] [URL="http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12597518#post12597518"]New Production MRE's[/URL] [URL="http://www.jamesfirearm.com/index.htm"]James Firearm & Outdoor[/URL] [URL="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gr/James-Firearm/166752593364957"]Friend us on Facebook[/URL] Email: [email]sales@jamesfirearm.com[/email] Phone 864-469-9870

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Halogrinder Moderhater Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16980 Location: h-town Posts: 11,341	so the 1 MOA accuracy of the RRA isnt an issue? arnt AR10's sub MOA guns pretty much? i thought AR10's were supposed to be tack drivers or something __________________ Im your BMW huckleberry https://www.facebook.com/BMWdoctor can you do me a favor and like/share my page? If you like/share, you get free washes/discounts/other neat stuff for you car! gun facts that will blow your mind: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-fa...6_1_screen.pdf

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