Saiga 12 M4 buttstock adapter - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

AbramsM1 · 02-05-2011, 08:19 PM

Just converted my new S12, went with Ace receiver block and M4 buttstock adapter.

The buttstock adapter is the "pignose" and only uses 2 Allen head screws to hold it on, then the stock screws in as normal. I loctited it, but still doesn't seem the strongest setup. Anybody used one of these for a while and have anything to say, good or bad about em?

Abrams

YellowIH · 02-05-2011, 08:53 PM

I think the internal block is strong, but would prefer a weld on rear plate......may do that before its over on #2. #1 is rock solid with a welded on rear plate.

Re-read your post. That rear ACE mount will be solid.

Halogrinder · 02-06-2011, 11:36 AM

i have the ACE rear heavy duty collapsable stock, trunion and pig nose adapter. i have beat on it pretty decent (no tree chopping

) for 3+ years now with no issues.

AbramsM1 · 02-06-2011, 12:43 PM

Well as a bit of a test I just went out and ran 75 rounds of 3" buckshot out of it. Stock didn't loosen up one bit. However after the very first round, my supposedly great Surefire mag broke into 3 pieces and rounds fell everywhere. This is the first time I used it. (basically the lips broke off, and front latch). However both my Promags worked great as did the stock Russian. So, Carolina will be getting the Surefire delivered back to them this week.

Stock adapter seems tough though. Might try the folding adapter out.

Abrams

Halogrinder · 02-06-2011, 01:36 PM

make sure you red loctite everything. all my shit keeps loosening up on it.

aloharover · 02-06-2011, 02:52 PM

Wine works fine.

Pig nose and a ACE-SOCOM

AbramsM1 · 02-06-2011, 03:04 PM

Sounds good, thanks guys.

YellowIH · 02-06-2011, 07:10 PM

Seems I read that the Surefire, and AGP are not for 3" shells...they will break....like yours did, into pieces, where yours did.....Saiga 12 forum....

AbramsM1 · 02-06-2011, 07:24 PM

Well, my bad then. I still am going to try and get it replaced. Nowhere on Carolina did it say I couldn't. I'll tell em exactly what happened, if they don't replace it, so be it. I'm not that kinda guy.

I might paint it (the gun). Thinking dark od green with black accents. Not sure though. This thing is quickly becoming my favorite gun.

Abrams

Gozuki · 02-06-2011, 08:40 PM

I have at least 6 agps, they all run fine. I find myself running the oem 5 rounders a lot, they are quite a bit handier than the 10s.

YellowIH · 02-06-2011, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbramsM1

Well, my bad then. I still am going to try and get it replaced. Nowhere on Carolina did it say I couldn't. I'll tell em exactly what happened, if they don't replace it, so be it. I'm not that kinda guy.
Abrams

CSS is tops in the S12 supply world in my book. I like my two 8 round AGP's tons better than the Surefires. The AGP's have some metal in them. I have shot lots of 3" through the AGP's. Guess I won't for the Surefires.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gozuki

I have at least 6 agps, they all run fine. I find myself running the oem 5 rounders a lot, they are quite a bit handier than the 10s.

Agreed. I find the 8's handier and AGP seems better built than the Surefire's.

AbramsM1 · 02-07-2011, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowIH

Seems I read that the Surefire, and AGP are not for 3" shells...they will break....like yours did, into pieces, where yours did.....Saiga 12 forum....

So, I went back to the website... if these aren't for 3" shells, they probably shouldn't picture them with 3" shells loaded... (blue guys)

YellowIH · 02-07-2011, 07:11 AM

I'm not responding until I finish my coffee

AbramsM1 · 02-07-2011, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowIH

I'm not responding until I finish my coffee

Haha. I just finished my third cup, that's why I posted it.

Carolina said to contact SGM, they don't handle warranty stuff. Good enough I guess.

Abrams

RSWORDS · 02-07-2011, 08:18 AM

Its no wonder mags break... Check out the Mag moving in this slow motion vid. The empty case look like low brass so I would GUESS 2-3/4 target/game loads....

YouTube - The "Saiga 12" as never seen before (in slow motion)

02-05-2011, 08:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
AbramsM1 Granite Guru Join Date: May 2008 Member # 114642 Location: Esko, MN Posts: 698	Saiga 12 M4 buttstock adapter Just converted my new S12, went with Ace receiver block and M4 buttstock adapter. The buttstock adapter is the "pignose" and only uses 2 Allen head screws to hold it on, then the stock screws in as normal. I loctited it, but still doesn't seem the strongest setup. Anybody used one of these for a while and have anything to say, good or bad about em? Abrams __________________ 2005 Power Wagon on 43s, Gigantic, Probably won't fit down any trails, Makes me broke... UGH... Last edited by AbramsM1; 02-05-2011 at 09:01 PM.

02-05-2011, 08:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
YellowIH Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Member # 12036 Location: TN Posts: 3,324	I think the internal block is strong, but would prefer a weld on rear plate......may do that before its over on #2. #1 is rock solid with a welded on rear plate. Re-read your post. That rear ACE mount will be solid. __________________ / SS'd 73 IH Scout II & stuff / Μολὼν λάβε / 74-75 IH 200 4x4 Truck Axles / Resident Attorney at Law

02-06-2011, 11:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
Halogrinder Moderhater Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16980 Location: h-town Posts: 11,312	i have the ACE rear heavy duty collapsable stock, trunion and pig nose adapter. i have beat on it pretty decent (no tree chopping ) for 3+ years now with no issues. __________________ Im your BMW huckleberry https://www.facebook.com/BMWdoctor can you do me a favor and like/share my page? If you like/share, you get free washes/discounts/other neat stuff for you car! gun facts that will blow your mind: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-fa...6_1_screen.pdf

02-06-2011, 12:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
AbramsM1 Granite Guru Join Date: May 2008 Member # 114642 Location: Esko, MN Posts: 698	Well as a bit of a test I just went out and ran 75 rounds of 3" buckshot out of it. Stock didn't loosen up one bit. However after the very first round, my supposedly great Surefire mag broke into 3 pieces and rounds fell everywhere. This is the first time I used it. (basically the lips broke off, and front latch). However both my Promags worked great as did the stock Russian. So, Carolina will be getting the Surefire delivered back to them this week. Stock adapter seems tough though. Might try the folding adapter out. Abrams __________________ 2005 Power Wagon on 43s, Gigantic, Probably won't fit down any trails, Makes me broke... UGH...

02-06-2011, 01:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Halogrinder Moderhater Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16980 Location: h-town Posts: 11,312	make sure you red loctite everything. all my shit keeps loosening up on it. __________________ Im your BMW huckleberry https://www.facebook.com/BMWdoctor can you do me a favor and like/share my page? If you like/share, you get free washes/discounts/other neat stuff for you car! gun facts that will blow your mind: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-fa...6_1_screen.pdf

02-06-2011, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
aloharover lets go Squatchen Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14561 Posts: 15,866	Wine works fine. Pig nose and a ACE-SOCOM __________________ Want to know how I lost 25lbs in 9 weeks? Try INSANITY®. www.beachbodycoach.com/petermhope I love it when a plan comes together Colorado Springs, CO Based FFL-07/SOT

02-06-2011, 03:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
AbramsM1 Granite Guru Join Date: May 2008 Member # 114642 Location: Esko, MN Posts: 698	Sounds good, thanks guys. __________________ 2005 Power Wagon on 43s, Gigantic, Probably won't fit down any trails, Makes me broke... UGH...

02-06-2011, 07:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
YellowIH Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Member # 12036 Location: TN Posts: 3,324	Seems I read that the Surefire, and AGP are not for 3" shells...they will break....like yours did, into pieces, where yours did.....Saiga 12 forum.... __________________ / SS'd 73 IH Scout II & stuff / Μολὼν λάβε / 74-75 IH 200 4x4 Truck Axles / Resident Attorney at Law

02-06-2011, 07:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
AbramsM1 Granite Guru Join Date: May 2008 Member # 114642 Location: Esko, MN Posts: 698	Well, my bad then. I still am going to try and get it replaced. Nowhere on Carolina did it say I couldn't. I'll tell em exactly what happened, if they don't replace it, so be it. I'm not that kinda guy. I might paint it (the gun). Thinking dark od green with black accents. Not sure though. This thing is quickly becoming my favorite gun. Abrams __________________ 2005 Power Wagon on 43s, Gigantic, Probably won't fit down any trails, Makes me broke... UGH...

02-07-2011, 07:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
YellowIH Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Member # 12036 Location: TN Posts: 3,324	I'm not responding until I finish my coffee __________________ / SS'd 73 IH Scout II & stuff / Μολὼν λάβε / 74-75 IH 200 4x4 Truck Axles / Resident Attorney at Law

02-07-2011, 08:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
RSWORDS Rock God Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49595 Location: Gloucester, VA Posts: 1,753	Its no wonder mags break... Check out the Mag moving in this slow motion vid. The empty case look like low brass so I would GUESS 2-3/4 target/game loads.... YouTube - The "Saiga 12" as never seen before (in slow motion)

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