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Old 06-13-2011, 01:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Not sure how I feel about this.

Dress up your Remington 700 to look like an AR



Part of me thinks ok then the weapon feels similar to an M4, I get that.

other part of me thinks abortion
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I gotta go with abortion, even though I do like how it looks, and it probably functions just fine.

It's a bolt gun, so either it's for game, paper or Insurgents. It's not a CQB weapon.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I like the chassis idea with lots of room to mount optics, pistol grips are just fine on a precision rifle for me.

But I really dislike how they force you to put your optic way the fawk above your bore axis just to make the stock line up like an AR does. And seriously, why the hell go to all the trouble of this and NOT put a left side thumb operated safety on it?
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I like it, but the safety makes my head hurt.
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But I really dislike how they force you to put your optic way the fawk above your bore axis just to make the stock line up like an AR does.
Or the ghey forward-mounted optic mount that is unnecessary when you don't have to shove your scope forward to be able to reach a non-existant charging handle, and you have a mile of rail to simply mount some taller rings directly below the scope.

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And seriously, why the hell go to all the trouble of this and NOT put a left side thumb operated safety on it?
Good call!


I would hope that's at least an off-the-shelf magazine. Looks like M1A1? Should have been built for G3 mags (if it's short action)!
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Or the ghey forward-mounted optic mount that is unnecessary when you don't have to shove your scope forward to be able to reach a non-existant charging handle, and you have a mile of rail to simply mount some taller rings directly below the scope.
If you have a night vision device it could come in handy, or emergency iron sights.

The vast majority of customers won't have a need for it, they'll just buy it for looks.
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The vast majority of customers won't have a need for it, they'll just buy it for looks.
And they will sell like hotcakes.
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I would hope that's at least an off-the-shelf magazine. Looks like M1A1? Should have been built for G3 mags (if it's short action)!
AICS mags.
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OK--this thing is definitely out of my price range anyway. It would make sense that it would take AICS mags!
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It's a bolt gun, so either it's for game, paper or Insurgents. It's not a CQB weapon.
This begs to differ:

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44S.htm
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~130 year old weapon, not a solid argument
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If you have a night vision device it could come in handy, or emergency iron sights.

The vast majority of customers won't have a need for it, they'll just buy it for looks.
WTF are you talking about? What does that mount provide that this one does not?

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WTF are you talking about? What does that mount provide that this one does not?

I'm not talking about the mount, rather the 20" or so of continuous same plane rail to mount optics with NVD in front if needed.
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I'm not talking about the mount, rather the 20" or so of continuous same plane rail to mount optics with NVD in front if needed.
In that case your reading comprehension is off today. MT4Runner was talking about the mount being dumb BECAUSE of all the rail it has.
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In that case your reading comprehension is off today. MT4Runner was talking about the mount being dumb BECAUSE of all the rail it has.
Eh, piss off, I'm multi tasking.
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No, I like that long rail --I just think that the cantilevered type of forward mount:


is dumb when the rail on the MDT TAC-21 is continuous under the scope and a non-cantilevered mount would work fine--the rail mounts can be directly under the rings:


The cantilevered mount makes sense on a flattop AR where you typically have a longer eye relief scope and need access behind the scope to your charging handle and the rail is not continuous over the handguard....so you need the cantilever where the rail is above the upper/action and you want the center of the scope almost over the handguard.

This to me looks like a case where someone thought, "hey, that scope mount looks tacticool, let's use it on our new gun!", but in reality, it's a bolt gun, and normal eye relief and some more normal type rings/scope mount should still work!

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quick photochop of what I was talking about....and if the solid base mount interferes with the ejection port, just use 2-piece scope rings like any other bolt gun!
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I like how easy it is to change stocks and grips. I mean, that's pretty handy. Realistically thought, I would run the stock in the picture there, because it is LOP and CH adjustable, and that's all I really need. Being able to remove the stock to use a smaller case might be nice. You could throw on a PSG-1 style grip, Ergo grip, Houge, or whatever you choose, and have it be plenty comfortable. Having the ability to have a forward mounted NVD is nice too, but how many guys use those?

Having it in a scout setup is a possibility also.

It makes sense that this is coming from a Canadian company though.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MDTTac#p/a/u/0/of4eYH3rVhs
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I like how easy it is to change stocks and grips. I mean, that's pretty handy. Realistically thought, I would run the stock in the picture there, because it is LOP and CH adjustable, and that's all I really need. Being able to remove the stock to use a smaller case might be nice. You could throw on a PSG-1 style grip, Ergo grip, Houge, or whatever you choose, and have it be plenty comfortable. Having the ability to have a forward mounted NVD is nice too, but how many guys use those?

Having it in a scout setup is a possibility also.

It makes sense that this is coming from a Canadian company though.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MDTTac#p/a/u/0/of4eYH3rVhs
You realize how much of a PIA it would be to remove the damn PRS stock everytime you put your gun in a case right?
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It is interesting.
But for the $$ I think I would rather have a JAE
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It's really similar to the Remington msr and kinda like the army xm2010 both of wich are possible replacements for the m40 rifles. IMOP a traditional style stock is nicer, if you want something pattered after an ar in a larger caliber just get an ar10 type rifle from larue or lmt
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You realize how much of a PIA it would be to remove the damn PRS stock everytime you put your gun in a case right?
Watch the video I linked Skip to 1:14. The stock removes with one pin.
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I'd rather have a McMillan A5 and spend the leftover $300 on ammo.
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For 720 USD, I think I would rather go with this!

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I like it, but the safety makes my head hurt.
Everyone knows the 700 safety doesn't work anyway - they could have left it off entirely. (I saw it on TV so it has to be true)

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