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danf150 · 05-10-2012, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by zuk1988

Is there supposed to be some minor play in the 4121 when installed?I feel a slight wiggle and it is coming from the ball joint,I got the wheel bearing as tight as ca be but I feel movement from the ball joint,please help.

Is the threaded sleeve fully seated & torqued on the top ball joint?
http://synergysuspension.com/instruc...BALLJOINTS.pdf

zuk1988 · 05-13-2012, 09:19 AM

I had them at 50 ft.lbs. The good people at Synergy are sending me a new set and inspecting these.

PIG · 05-13-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jedrattle

Soon I hope!! my truck is sitting dead because of ball joints!

Trust me man... We want these released just as bad as you do!

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Originally Posted by willysman07003

do they make these for a 01 wj

Yes! Its the same as the Jk application.
WJ BJ's!

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Originally Posted by ATVracer76

the 4121s still being released and shipped today?

Shipping now!

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Originally Posted by zuk1988

I got my 4121's last week

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Originally Posted by ATVracer76

hey, thanks for the heads up... just placed my order!

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Originally Posted by zuk1988

I had them at 50 ft.lbs. The good people at Synergy are sending me a new set and inspecting these.

Glad we got a solution worked out for you.

hurleygo3 · 06-11-2012, 03:32 PM

Are the 4122's shipping?

danf150 · 06-12-2012, 01:49 AM

Question: I realize the bushing & ball socket are obviously stronger, but is the stud made of a stronger material than OEM?
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...s-p-26182.html

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Originally Posted by PIG

The problem.....

PIG · 06-13-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hurleygo3

Are the 4122's shipping?

Not yet but should be before the end of the month.

PIG · 06-13-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by danf150

Question: I realize the bushing & ball socket are obviously stronger, but is the stud made of a stronger material than OEM?
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...s-p-26182.html

danf150 · 06-13-2012, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danf150

Question: I realize the bushing & ball socket are obviously stronger, but is the stud made of a stronger material than OEM?
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...s-p-26182.html

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Originally Posted by PIG

I take that as a yes...but would you please be more specific?
What material are the auto parts store replacements made out of?
What material are the Poly Performance ball joints made out of?

PIG · 06-19-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by danf150

I take that as a yes...but would you please be more specific?
What material are the auto parts store replacements made out of?
What material are the Poly Performance ball joints made out of?

Yes, the Synergy studs are manufactured from heat treated 4140 chromolly material... The stud material that the auto parts stores use I am sure vary between suppliers but most should be made from some sort of heat treated material but am not 100% sure. The BIG advantage to the Synergy parts are the fact that they don't use a plastic liner.

CZDiesel · 06-21-2012, 03:51 PM

Have you done actual strength tests on these ball joints and tested the stock, MOOG, and Spicer joints as well?
As in putting them in presses at different angles to see where they pull apart? If so, how much stronger are they then stock and standard aftermarket joints? 10%, 25%, etc..
I am truly interested in these and think they "could" be a GREAT product if they do indeed offer significant strength increase over stock and current aftermarket joints!
I think of a 44 joint that is a strong as a stock 60 joint or close to it and say wow! Why hasn't someone done this before, just genius!

PIG · 06-22-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CZDiesel

Have you done actual strength tests on these ball joints and tested the stock, MOOG, and Spicer joints as well?
As in putting them in presses at different angles to see where they pull apart? If so, how much stronger are they then stock and standard aftermarket joints? 10%, 25%, etc..
I am truly interested in these and think they "could" be a GREAT product if they do indeed offer significant strength increase over stock and current aftermarket joints!
I think of a 44 joint that is a strong as a stock 60 joint or close to it and say wow! Why hasn't someone done this before, just genius!

We are actually in the middle of working on making a ball joint tester that follows SAE specifications. It is a project that we are working on with some engineering students at our local university, Cal Poly SLO. But to answer your question, no we have not done any actual strength tests to get a comparison to other BJs out there. You have to understand MOST of the issues guys are having are issues with wear and how much milage guys are getting out the parts. I'd say that MOST of the BJ's out there being supplied by other manufactures are going to be fairly close in overall strength but will vary tremendously in how fast they wear out under regular use. Thats where the Synergy parts really shine... Stay turned for the ball joint tester build!!!

CZDiesel · 06-22-2012, 12:08 PM

Very cool.. Looking forward to it!
I would think you could just pull them apart in a hydraulic press and check to see the ft lbs it takes to do it to check for strength? It might not be SAE but you could call it independently verified tests

Anyway, as I said genius! Pure genius these are

PIG · 06-27-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CZDiesel

Very cool.. Looking forward to it!
I would think you could just pull them apart in a hydraulic press and check to see the ft lbs it takes to do it to check for strength? It might not be SAE but you could call it independently verified tests

Anyway, as I said genius! Pure genius these are

The testing device we are working on will be able to do a pull test as well along with a test that follows SAE standards.

PIG · 06-27-2012, 08:01 PM

4122 parts are now in stock!!!

jrodxj · 07-08-2012, 05:06 AM

jk dana 30 BJ's shipped to 26764

danf150 · 07-10-2012, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Cabral

I take that as a yes...but would you please be more specific?
What material are the auto parts store replacements made out of?
What material are the Poly Performance ball joints made out of?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PIG

Yes, the Synergy studs are manufactured from heat treated 4140 chromoly material... The stud material that the auto parts stores use I am sure vary between suppliers but most should be made from some sort of heat treated material but am not 100% sure. The BIG advantage to the Synergy parts are the fact that they don't use a plastic liner.

Thanks for the response. I actually purchased these because I wanted stronger ball joints. As you know, a broken ball joint can do a lot of damage. I don't have a problem with premature ball joint wear, however, it's nice to know they'll last longer.

CZDiesel · 07-29-2012, 03:04 PM

I started a thread here looking for some real world use and feedback..... One of the responses said that the joints need to be greased weekly? Is this correct?
If so do you recommend these as a off road only joint?

jsawduste · 07-30-2012, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CZDiesel

I started a thread here looking for some real world use and feedback..... One of the responses said that the joints need to be greased weekly? Is this correct?
If so do you recommend these as a off road only joint?

x 2 on the maintenance schedule.

danf150 · 07-30-2012, 09:03 AM

The Synergy Suspension Heavy Duty Ball Joint instruction manual states,
"Lubricate the ball joints at every oil change using quality extreme pressure moly grease."
http://synergysuspension.com/instruc...BALLJOINTS.pdf

However, it's general knowledge to also grease the vehicle after every off-road outing.

PIG · 07-30-2012, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danf150

The Synergy Suspension Heavy Duty Ball Joint instruction manual states,
"Lubricate the ball joints at every oil change using quality extreme pressure moly grease."
http://synergysuspension.com/instruc...BALLJOINTS.pdf

However, it's general knowledge to also grease the vehicle after every off-road outing.

There is the correct answer. FYI, we are almost done with working out some grease to offer guys that is formulated specifically to be used with the Synergy ball joints?

Weasel · 08-08-2012, 10:35 PM

Special grease? I currently use redline synthetic cv grease for everything. I'm taking apart my front axle in the next week for new axles and will be getting a set of these to replace the existing ball joints?

Weasel · 08-08-2012, 10:42 PM

Ah crap shipping late this month for XJ joints? Any idea how late? Need my axle back in by atleast the last weekend of the month.

PIG · 08-09-2012, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasel

Special grease? I currently use redline synthetic cv grease for everything. I'm taking apart my front axle in the next week for new axles and will be getting a set of these to replace the existing ball joints?

We have our own formula for BJ/Chassis/Suspension grease about to be released. It has been in testing for quite awhile with VERY good results... Stay tuned!

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Originally Posted by Weasel

Ah crap shipping late this month for XJ joints? Any idea how late? Need my axle back in by atleast the last weekend of the month.

Depends what year XJ's you are looking for... The 4121's are instock and the 4129's will be in by the end of the month.

Weasel · 08-09-2012, 11:51 AM

89 Xj part number 4120 I think.

hammerd · 08-18-2012, 11:57 AM

Can I get a price on full set 4121 to 97420..... Thanks

05-13-2012, 09:19 AM	#152 (permalink)
zuk1988 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 93886 Location: Lake Stevens WA Posts: 298	I had them at 50 ft.lbs. The good people at Synergy are sending me a new set and inspecting these. __________________ 88 Samurai D44,Spider 9",Detroits,33 TSL's

06-11-2012, 03:32 PM	#154 (permalink)
hurleygo3 Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2006 Member # 80862 Location: Orange County Posts: 3,564	Are the 4122's shipping? __________________ www.facebook.com/EckoMotorsports www.partsmike.com www.savvyoffroad.com

06-21-2012, 03:51 PM	#160 (permalink)
CZDiesel Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Member # 219137 Posts: 34	Have you done actual strength tests on these ball joints and tested the stock, MOOG, and Spicer joints as well? As in putting them in presses at different angles to see where they pull apart? If so, how much stronger are they then stock and standard aftermarket joints? 10%, 25%, etc.. I am truly interested in these and think they "could" be a GREAT product if they do indeed offer significant strength increase over stock and current aftermarket joints! I think of a 44 joint that is a strong as a stock 60 joint or close to it and say wow! Why hasn't someone done this before, just genius! Last edited by CZDiesel; 06-21-2012 at 03:52 PM.

06-22-2012, 12:08 PM	#162 (permalink)
CZDiesel Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Member # 219137 Posts: 34	Very cool.. Looking forward to it! I would think you could just pull them apart in a hydraulic press and check to see the ft lbs it takes to do it to check for strength? It might not be SAE but you could call it independently verified tests Anyway, as I said genius! Pure genius these are Last edited by CZDiesel; 06-22-2012 at 12:29 PM.

06-27-2012, 08:01 PM	#164 (permalink)
PIG Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4502 Location: SanLuisObispo, CA Posts: 5,143	4122 parts are now in stock!!! __________________ www.PolyPerformance.com Click the sig for everything you need to build a tube car www.SynergyMFG.com Cool stuff for your buggy, Jeep, Dodge 2500/3500 www.4130Clothing.com A unique apparel line geared for the off-road enthusiast

07-08-2012, 05:06 AM	#165 (permalink)
jrodxj Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Member # 118176 Location: west virginia Posts: 79	jk dana 30 BJ's shipped to 26764 __________________ 00' dakota 44/9 4.10's 36" sx's H1s double beadlocks 95' f-350 4dr longbed PSD

07-29-2012, 03:04 PM	#167 (permalink)
CZDiesel Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Member # 219137 Posts: 34	I started a thread here looking for some real world use and feedback..... One of the responses said that the joints need to be greased weekly? Is this correct? If so do you recommend these as a off road only joint?

07-30-2012, 09:03 AM	#169 (permalink)
danf150 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 52766 Location: Ellington, CT Posts: 32	The Synergy Suspension Heavy Duty Ball Joint instruction manual states, "Lubricate the ball joints at every oil change using quality extreme pressure moly grease." http://synergysuspension.com/instruc...BALLJOINTS.pdf However, it's general knowledge to also grease the vehicle after every off-road outing. __________________ May God's Grace Bless You 78 BRONCO: 508",MPFI,LentechAOD,AtlasII,lockers,hydroboost,ram-assist,35s Last edited by danf150; 07-30-2012 at 09:06 AM.

08-08-2012, 10:35 PM	#171 (permalink)
Weasel Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5639 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 6,000	Special grease? I currently use redline synthetic cv grease for everything. I'm taking apart my front axle in the next week for new axles and will be getting a set of these to replace the existing ball joints? __________________ Just Add Lightness I'd rather be simple-and-wrong than complicated-and-wrong.

08-08-2012, 10:42 PM	#172 (permalink)
Weasel Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5639 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 6,000	Ah crap shipping late this month for XJ joints? Any idea how late? Need my axle back in by atleast the last weekend of the month. __________________ Just Add Lightness I'd rather be simple-and-wrong than complicated-and-wrong.

08-09-2012, 11:51 AM	#174 (permalink)
Weasel Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5639 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 6,000	89 Xj part number 4120 I think. __________________ Just Add Lightness I'd rather be simple-and-wrong than complicated-and-wrong. Last edited by Weasel; 08-09-2012 at 12:12 PM.

08-18-2012, 11:57 AM	#175 (permalink)
hammerd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Member # 125322 Location: oregon coast Posts: 17	Can I get a price on full set 4121 to 97420..... Thanks

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