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Old 04-05-2012, 05:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Amended FOTR Annual Meeting Agenda April 14th

There are going to a few more items on the agenda for the FOTR Annual Meeting:


The big one:

The Temporary Trail Closures have been and will continue to be a major topic.

After talking with the Forest Service today, they have agreed to be at the FOTR meeting April 14th for a Q&A session. Kathy Hardy, Forest Supervisor, will be there.

These Temporary trail closures suck as we all know, and it will have an impact on the Rubicon.

So this is your chance to get your questions out there and answered. This session will begin promptly at 9am.

This will not be a "beat on the FS" segment. The FS has major concerns over this and values the volunteer work that has been major part of the work being done in and on any portion of the EDNF.

Also:

* CalStar is hoping to be there to discuss the FOTR group Membership package. This is a great idea and a very cheap way to save the cost of a ALS Flight. No purchase will be required at this time.


*Also, could I get someone to volunteer to take minutes for this meeting so we can get the info out to those that cant make the meeting. This would be a big help.

Forest Service Press Release on the trail closure

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/eldora...TELPRDB5362068


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Guys/Gals,


CalStar is sending someone to talk about the benefits. Her name is Sonya and she is coming on her own time on a Saturday, which is pretty awesome since it just happened on Tuesday.

CalStar is a HUGE benefit, for hardly any money. She'll talk more about it, and answer questions...but the basics are....If you need a Life Flight....let's just say your kid with an appendix....it does happen. You could be facing a $15,000 to 25,000 helicopter bill!!! Most insurance, does not cover this and the ones that do, often have a cap much lower than 15k.

CalStar is going to give FOTR the group rate of $35 per year for you family. That's $35 per YEAR, which is $10 off the regular rate. A VERY small amount so that you won't face a potentially devastating medical bill.


Here is my original post about it a few years.

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Old 04-12-2012, 03:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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We will have a bunch of applications for CalStar.

After talking to them today, we already have enough members to qualify for the $35/year rate....all that means, is the we won't have to worry about not getting 15 members and losing the $10 discount.
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Please post more info after the meeting about this as I will not be there. I like cheap insurance
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As of now, I will not be there.
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Well I just read the Meetings Minutes. Surprisingly things are looking a lot better than they sound. Heres a copy and past of the meetings minutes with Underline and Bold for the different speakers and topics

-The Trail Closures
The 42 routes are part of the RCO and they were told to extend the wet weather closers for these routes. The judge has not made his ruling on some of the details, like how they would be closed, where they would be closed. But until the judge makes his ruling the F.S. is planning on closing the routes for 2012. The routes will be open to administrative use, which includes 4x4 clubs that will be doing planned maintenance that the local ranger districts know about.

At this point the FS need to do supplement environmental study to amend the routes from the plan. There will be 3 opportunity’s for public comments on these route as they move they move forward. Kathy would like to see these routes opened as soon as possible, but they have to follow the rulings in the law suit. Once they can open the routes, then they will look into reroutes around the areas in question.

Somebody asked what a meadow was, and Kathy said the hydrologist is the person who decides where they exist.She would like to let people know other places they can go this summer. The routes will be open except for motorized use.

She will sign the Rubicon Trail easement this week, then there will be an appeal period, if all goes well it will be official in August 2012.

Some questions about specific routes were brought up, She acknowledge SPI logging company did close those routes with dirt and tree berms. But this all was before she took the position. She wants to work with the Logging co and possible reopening trails closed, but it will be user that have to fight for them when these projects are being proposed.
As for reroutes around meadows, it’s a yes/no. If easy then yes.
How routes to be closed? Carsonites, and or signs to explain why the routes are closed. This is still up in the air as the judge has to make a ruling on this part. The other side wants gates installed.

What if I drive on a closed route and did not know about the closers. You will most likely get a ticket. The LEO’s are not under her command there is a separation between the two groups.

What can the public do now?
The all important review process will need comment’s to help with being able to reopen the routes, but it was also mentioned the Judge may make rulings that could change how the process moves forward. At this point we can hike these routes and take pictures and help in the comment process to show where these routes might not go through a meadow. (Note the FS report at this point is not public, so we don’t know what areas on each route is a cause for concern)

Adopt A trail question was ask and Kathy said we would need to contact the local ranger district to work with them on the programs. (note: I only have a few clubs on my list that have a process in place. )
Donating money to Cal4wheel and BRC are very much needed to help with the legal fight.

Somebody asked about adding new routes, Kathy replied they don’t have the capacity to work on those projects at this time as they need to work on the court order.

Somebody asked about fire issues with routes closed, she said the fire danger at the alpine level is not as high as the lower forest and she suspected the judge might not be considering that issue. But they will be open for administrative use. ( note to Adopt A trail clubs, you’re asking for administrative use to perform maintenance. )

-Work on the Rubicon
Vicky talked about how the work will be done by the DOT this year, and the bridge construction will be in 2013. They will be helicraning rock to 4 different locations on the trail. Yes very expensive. She talked about the issues of last year and how they have worked through those and she is pushing to get start ASAP. They will start where they left off and move towards the county line.

She would like to have the easement process completed so they don’t have to leap frog to the Springs, but that is plan B if there is a delay. She needs FOTR to work post pile and compete that area this year.
She said FOTR needs to take before and after pictures and make sure all volunteer work is documented so we can get more grant funds.

Housing will be at Spider lake for the DOT crews.
F.S. donated several portable bathrooms and they will be placed in a few locations on the trail to see how they are used. The RTF will pump them when needed. The DOT crew will be working a 4-10 schedule.

Vicky asked for help to promote the Rubicon trail during the upcoming fair June 13-17th She needs people to help hand out promotional items and help people understand that we care about the trail. A lot of people have never heard of FOTR or RTF, and some have never even heard of the Rubicon trail.
Education/ promotion is big this year and she has some grant money for that. The plan is to update the maps at the trail heads.
They are looking to use a billboard to promote the trail.

The water board, F.S. county DOT will be walking the trail in May to check out the work on the trail to see how it’s working. They want to see how the spring melt flows.

New product to be added to spill kits and / or given to club runs. Plus some that patrol the trail.
It's called Bio-Response made by the company Bio Cleanse. The plan is for you to still clean up what you can, but this stuff will eat the oil that remains. It stays active for 2 hours to 2 weeks. www.biocleans.net can’t remember his name, but he answered
a lot of questions about it. The water board is ok with it too. The theme for the year is sedimentation. Green bandana’s.

-The Tree
The F.S. gave the county the tree. Working on details on what will be done with it. The county is also working on a coin with the tree on the back. This was in the works before it came down. A lot of ideas tossed out on what to make out of it. The county will be saving the root ball / stump to put on display.

Kansas ( Vicky’s counterpart on the Placer side talked about they have 2,000 hours they can use on the trail this year. This would be crews like the CCC to do work.
Aug 3rd is the 125th Anniversary of the trail.
Currently Placer county has not ask the F.S for an easement. But they are not in a law suit at this time either.

FOTR trail patrol, looking for volunteers contact Steven.

FOTR Projects. Rusty Folena. These will be on the placer side. Leads can E-mail Rusty for details. We will need to post a closed trail sign asap so people know. They trail will be closed for 12 hours at locations where we are doing concrete work.

Areas.
1 Morris rock, Leader
repair lower section with cement rebar and gabions
Drill and anchor rebar previous day 6/29. Extend at least 4’ downhill with rebar rock and cement. Build 2 gabions and anchor in on both east and west sides.
Supplies: 20 bags of concrete. 100+ feet of rebar. Gabion material

2 V-rock, Leader Kevin Arnold.
repair lower section with cement rebar and gabion 15-20’.
Drill and anchor rebar the previous day 6/29 Extend at least 6’ downhill with rebar rock and cement. Build 1 gabion and anchor in on west side. Supplies: 20 bags of concrete. 100+ feet of rebar. Gabion material

3 Step below V-rock, Leader
Repair lower section of step by drilling and anchoring rebar and tie into grid, pour cement and place rocks making it look natural as possible. Install gagion on west side and anchor into ground.
Supplies: 20 bags of concrete. 75+ feet of rebar. 25’ Gabion material

4 S turn. Leader: Doug Barr
Maintenance on S turn. Harden road bed with rock cement and rebar. Get water to flow off trail vs down it.
Supplies: 20 bags of concrete. 75+ feet of rebar.

Items needed are rebar 3/8 and 1/2 somebody said they could get drops and that would be great. Other items would be Fast Set ready mix concrete so it will set up and cure faster and hold up to traffic the next day. Maybe some wood over the concrete areas to help until it cures?
Cages for rocks.
The county is to provide 20 yards of rock at the top of Morris rock.
Water for concrete. They have some hoses but that needs to be worked out. RTF rock trailers to haul rock.
Various hand tools, picks, pry bars, shovels, cutters for the wire / rebar, gloves,etc.
Plus lots of Volunteers.

There is a need to get a backhoe on the Tahoe side to reestablish some seasonal flows and the F.S. has approved. These were block with last year project where they filled in some low spots. We could drive the RTF unimog up there but it would be slow going as it has a top speed of 35 mph.
But is legal to drive on the road. Or pay the $700-800 to have it trailered. Option B would be to rent one. These can’t be dug by hand as it was packed with heavy equipment. Once done then rock lined.
Doug said he could mark the locations, but he needs somebody to take lead on the project as his clubs project plate is full for this year.

Scott from the RTF answered questions.
They raised 28K from the black tie and boots this year. Next year’s event is March 9th 2013.
They have several projects for this year. One is to complete the repeater project. They have a group from the bay area that will be doing this.
RTF meetings are 3rd Wednesday in Shingle Springs.

Somebody wanted to know what the RTF money is being spent on.
John said in the last month they have spent money on the trailers, maps, repeater, land mortgage, booth at 4x4 show to promote the trail.
Currently .97 cents out of each dollar is used for the trail. Which is very high as most nonprofits are around 85-90% They are working with another local nonprofit to help with admin stuff to help keep overhead low.

The Hi lo’s will be having a work weekend on June
message if he needs more help than just the club.
you to work.
to the trail and if we get
out the trail.

He reported they have some legal cost, but that the lawyer donates all his time and they are just paying for some paper work. John could not say enough thanks for Jesse’s help in that area.

Del talked for a couple minutes and he was ear to ear grin with hearing how the County and the F.S. wants to keep the trails open and that the reason for the Rubicon still being open was because of all the volunteers.

CalStar is offering FOTR group Membership rates $35 per family per year. CalStar is the life flight service. You don’t have to be on the trail and you are still covered if they pick you up. They are called out by the 911 folks following their protocol.

Taken from Craig Ervins Meetings Minutes. Thanks Craig!

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Old 04-17-2012, 09:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The minutes are great. Thanks for the effort in taking them. Only change I see is that the reference to the oil eater in the spill kits is called Bio-Response made by the company Bio Cleanse, not Bio Cleans. They can be reached at www.biocleanse.net or www.bio-cleanse.net (both should work) and are a local company.

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Good meeting. My one suggestion would be to let any guest speakers(CalStar), not have to wait through the whole meeting to speak.
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Good meeting. My one suggestion would be to let any guest speakers(CalStar), not have to wait through the whole meeting to speak.
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Hey Timmy.

Yeah...it probably appeared to be mean....but they knew in advance their time was at 1PM. When she called me on Friday, she said she would be there at 9am. I told her she didn't have to be there all day....and she said she wanted to come and hear what it was all about...she was a city girl, and knew nothing about the Rubicon. I actually thought it was cool that someone really noob, was interested to hear what it was about.

So....in other words...we're not complete dicks.
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