Should I or shouldn't I???? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Pavemen · 06-25-2003, 02:32 PM

I have had mixed opinions about whether or not my rig can make the Rubicon. NO Little Sluice. I have no problem with legitimate bypasses.

I run a:

Ram 1500, 139" WB (ext cab short box)
auto
4.56's
rear Detroit/No-Spin
front Lockright
3" suspension
3" body lift
35x12.50 SSRs
rear Reunell bumper to drag my ass where needed.

Its 87" outside to outside of tires.

By the time I am ready for the trail:

hydro assist (on order already)
6" suspension
36-37" TSL or SXs
flat bed, hopefully
Sliders
Possibly raised tranny x-member.

I just ran Poison Spider Mesa and Golden Spike and Gold Bar Rim trails at Moab and that was with the above rig. I only got hung up once and didn't break anything (except doing Golden Crack 5 times hobbled out the yokes on a set of front axles)

I walked up and over Deer Valley without the front locker last year. So I know the basic terrain, but I fear the width is my biggest issue. I have heard of other fullsizes doing it but I get mixed comments regarding body damage.

Thoughts?

JW · 06-25-2003, 02:34 PM

I believe that you could do the trail no problem... if you don't mind body damage.

Scout Dude · 06-25-2003, 02:37 PM

With a flat bed, you could even do it without body damage...you should be fine (Bring spare 44 stuff though)

cruzila · 06-25-2003, 03:35 PM

Body damage is more than likely with the wider rig. It can be done without if you have patience and do not want to get dents. You will need help with spotting and stacking. Very doable overall. Have Fun.

Scott

bent70 · 06-25-2003, 05:22 PM

I have seen a guy with a very similer setup you want to run, but in a f250 up there almost ever time I have been there. I does the trail well and still looks mint. It can be done.

paydirt · 06-26-2003, 12:45 AM

No offense intended but...
After I ran the rubicon as a passenger (in a locked up TJ), I retired my 5" lifted with 35" tires '96 ram with short bed and extra cab to mainly daily driving duty and bought me a good jeep! Been through the 'Con and going back this weekend. Love it and never looked back. But if your in love with your Ram - go for it!!!
Just my B$.

Pavemen · 06-26-2003, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by paydirt
No offense intended but...
After I ran the rubicon as a passenger (in a locked up TJ), I retired my 5" lifted with 35" tires '96 ram with short bed and extra cab to mainly daily driving duty and bought me a good jeep! Been through the 'Con and going back this weekend. Love it and never looked back. But if your in love with your Ram - go for it!!!
Just my B$.

No offense taken. I know the thing is a huge beast and that is why I asked. Right now it is is cheaper to finish building my Ram than it is to start over with a smaller rig.

Besides, kicking ass in a full-size is so much more fun than in a small rig and you get to impress a lot more folks.

Thanks for the info guys

Jeepskickass · 06-27-2003, 06:12 PM

Rammy did it in his regular cab short bed. It took a lot of work, and a lot of spotting to get it through with the minimal body damage that we did. If you do it, be sure your wheeling buddies are patient!!

rockthedog · 06-29-2003, 09:19 PM

we were going from spider to `loon a week ago and a guy in a full size chevy stepside rolled and just about got squished by his cab ( the thing was so heavy and he had no cage or bar in the bed) they had to snatch it up to a tree to pull the cab back up enuogh to drive it out... in two wheel drive......ya it can be done...but it is way more work than i want to go through....good luck man!!!!!

familybeast · 07-05-2003, 05:45 PM

Just went through it from Loon Lake thru to Tahoe with my full-size avoided little Sluice. Take your time, you will get minimal body damage and make sure your spot knows what he/she is doing or else $$$$$$$$$$$ it will cost ya. Have fun

85Surf · 07-05-2003, 05:55 PM

Blue Full Size Blazer last weak coming in by Soup Bowl

Your Tail lights on fire I said, "Oh Sh_t he said.

I took them out and put rag in T-Light hole ,so thay dont get SMASHED!

He said he's more narrow than some guys in there on 44's and

2.5 ton axeled truggie's.

Tintop · 07-09-2003, 07:15 AM

Paveman the amount of money you'll put into your ram to finish the build you could buy a samurai and budget build it easily. They tow super nice with a truck like yours.
www.rockyroadoutfitters.com
bolt on spoa
t-case gears

www.trailtough.com
mini spool

31's and thing will go all the same places!

D'sYJ · 07-09-2003, 08:46 AM

yeah the dodge is prob. a better tow rig than 'Con runner. But with the set up described you should be able to run it no problem just dont whine about the body damage the 'con will throw at ya. Think of it as a souvinier

DynamicallyUnstable · 07-09-2003, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4RUNNERJADE
Blue Full Size Blazer last weak coming in by Soup Bowl

Your Tail lights on fire I said, "Oh Sh_t he said.

I took them out and put rag in T-Light hole ,so thay dont get SMASHED!

He said he's more narrow than some guys in there on 44's and

2.5 ton axeled truggie's.

If that was who I think, its not quite so full sized. He took 10-12 inches out of the middle of the entire body. Its a little wider (if at all) than a toyota truck now. Easy identifier= 1998 style GMC grille center section.

85Surf · 07-13-2003, 06:02 PM

JUST GOT BACK AGAIN FROM THE CON,

SAW ABOUT 10 FULL SIZE .SOME FORD BRONCOS AND SOME EXTRA CAB CHEV'S

total adda boy to em too, = $$$$ of dollers in Body ,Damage for sure,but made it thru Gate Keaper,2 hours later thay said.!!

ALOT OF B.D ON SOME OF THEM (EDDIE BOWER FLAIRS Rock Stipping )+CRUNCHED & RIPPED OFF then put on roof )and just smiling going by .

(we had to wait on trail all us going from Tahoe to Loon).Wait time ,not bad thow.

AND ABOUT 5 FORD EXPLODERS EVEN AT THE SPRINGS TOO.

SeaBass44 · 07-14-2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4RUNNERJADE
JUST GOT BACK AGAIN FROM THE CON,

SAW ABOUT 10 FULL SIZE .SOME FORD BRONCOS AND SOME EXTRA CAB CHEV'S

total adda boy to em too, = $$$$ of dollers in Body ,Damage for sure,but made it thru Gate Keaper,2 hours later thay said.!!

ALOT OF B.D ON SOME OF THEM (EDDIE BOWER FLAIRS Rock Stipping )+CRUNCHED & RIPPED OFF then put on roof )and just smiling going by .

(we had to wait on trail all us going from Tahoe to Loon).Wait time ,not bad thow.

AND ABOUT 5 FORD EXPLODERS EVEN AT THE SPRINGS TOO.

Yup, good to meet ya too.

one guy was in a 75-85 full size chev with new paint, didn't look to bad, but we stopped at the end of icehouse to inspect the rigs before hittin the HWY, and he pulled in and we talked.....he took pics of my jeep & wants to toss the FULLSIZE body & drop a JEEP body on it, lol.....I said go for it! Chev frame is probely stronger on the chev

85Surf · 07-14-2003, 01:35 PM

ATTA BOY FOR YA

SLEEPIN COWBOY STYLE 100-YRDS UP FROM theSluice box and in the dirt = no tent -just air mattress.

were you affraid some drunk ,might come by and run ya over?

tdavis · 07-14-2003, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4RUNNERJADE

AND ABOUT 5 FORD EXPLODERS EVEN AT THE SPRINGS TOO.

Pavemen · 07-15-2003, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tintop
Paveman the amount of money you'll put into your ram to finish the build you could buy a samurai and budget build it easily. They tow super nice with a truck like yours.
www.rockyroadoutfitters.com
bolt on spoa
t-case gears

www.trailtough.com
mini spool

31's and thing will go all the same places!

well i need to rebuild my suspension anyway now. Moab bent a link and spit out 2-3 bushings. I already have 90% of the parts for it (had for several months now)

besides... i want to run it in my fullsize cuz most folks say I can't...

the truck is pretty well built up already and i want to get a smaller rig, but what i have now needs work and i might was well upgrade it for what i want to do until i can afford to start over with another rig.

jeepfamily · 07-17-2003, 10:01 PM

know of a good body man and im not talking about my wife

06-25-2003, 02:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pavemen Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5670 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,788	Should I or shouldn't I???? I have had mixed opinions about whether or not my rig can make the Rubicon. NO Little Sluice. I have no problem with legitimate bypasses. I run a: Ram 1500, 139" WB (ext cab short box) auto 4.56's rear Detroit/No-Spin front Lockright 3" suspension 3" body lift 35x12.50 SSRs rear Reunell bumper to drag my ass where needed. Its 87" outside to outside of tires. By the time I am ready for the trail: hydro assist (on order already) 6" suspension 36-37" TSL or SXs flat bed, hopefully Sliders Possibly raised tranny x-member. I just ran Poison Spider Mesa and Golden Spike and Gold Bar Rim trails at Moab and that was with the above rig. I only got hung up once and didn't break anything (except doing Golden Crack 5 times hobbled out the yokes on a set of front axles) I walked up and over Deer Valley without the front locker last year. So I know the basic terrain, but I fear the width is my biggest issue. I have heard of other fullsizes doing it but I get mixed comments regarding body damage. Thoughts? __________________ Nothing to see here, move along

06-25-2003, 02:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
JW Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 222 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 1,364	I believe that you could do the trail no problem... if you don't mind body damage. __________________ "See that double? Do that double! If you start thinking about it, you'll never do it. People who think too much end up living longer, making more money, vacationing in Tavarua, marrying wisely and investing well-but they don't clear as many doubles." budbuilt.com & highangledriveline.com

06-25-2003, 03:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
cruzila Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6650 Location: Garden Valley Posts: 5,383	Body damage is more than likely with the wider rig. It can be done without if you have patience and do not want to get dents. You will need help with spotting and stacking. Very doable overall. Have Fun. Scott __________________ Scott Johnston Rubicon Trail Foundation Founding Director and Past President 2010-2012 WIN a fully built Toyota pickup at Cantina 2013 Davez Off Road and Trail Gear are supporting Rubicon Trail Foundation

06-25-2003, 05:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
bent70 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7683 Location: san francisco Posts: 925	I have seen a guy with a very similer setup you want to run, but in a f250 up there almost ever time I have been there. I does the trail well and still looks mint. It can be done. __________________ 70' faux bronco buggy

06-26-2003, 12:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
paydirt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17940 Location: Santa Cruz,Ca Posts: 22	No offense intended but... After I ran the rubicon as a passenger (in a locked up TJ), I retired my 5" lifted with 35" tires '96 ram with short bed and extra cab to mainly daily driving duty and bought me a good jeep! Been through the 'Con and going back this weekend. Love it and never looked back. But if your in love with your Ram - go for it!!! Just my B$. __________________ She's not your girlfriend, it's just your turn.

06-25-2003, 02:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Scout Dude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 4001 Location: Citrus Heights, CA Posts: 3,984	With a flat bed, you could even do it without body damage...you should be fine (Bring spare 44 stuff though)

06-27-2003, 06:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jeepskickass Tin Bender Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 294 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 3,068	Rammy did it in his regular cab short bed. It took a lot of work, and a lot of spotting to get it through with the minimal body damage that we did. If you do it, be sure your wheeling buddies are patient!! Attached Images __________________ Mike inthePINKracing would like to thank it's sponsors! Marlin Crawler Griffin Yukon Gear BFGoodrich Artec Industries FOA Hendrix Motorsports Poly Performance RuffStuff

06-29-2003, 09:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
rockthedog Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19510 Location: vacaville ca Posts: 2,716	we were going from spider to `loon a week ago and a guy in a full size chevy stepside rolled and just about got squished by his cab ( the thing was so heavy and he had no cage or bar in the bed) they had to snatch it up to a tree to pull the cab back up enuogh to drive it out... in two wheel drive......ya it can be done...but it is way more work than i want to go through....good luck man!!!!!

07-05-2003, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
familybeast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16359 Location: Hills of Nor Cal, CA Posts: 141	Just went through it from Loon Lake thru to Tahoe with my full-size avoided little Sluice. Take your time, you will get minimal body damage and make sure your spot knows what he/she is doing or else $$$$$$$$$$$ it will cost ya. Have fun

07-05-2003, 05:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
85Surf Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12505 Location: N.America Posts: 660	last weak saw a blue FULL SIZE Blazer , Blue Full Size Blazer last weak coming in by Soup Bowl Your Tail lights on fire I said, "Oh Sh_t he said. I took them out and put rag in T-Light hole ,so thay dont get SMASHED! He said he's more narrow than some guys in there on 44's and 2.5 ton axeled truggie's. __________________ 1.If You Do not have nothing Nice to SAY,Don't say nothing at all. 2. 85Surf ARB'd Locked and Geared w-Flex & still NOT on a Trailer to the trail or home ,most of the time,he he.

07-09-2003, 07:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tintop Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 18487 Location: Healdsburg CA Posts: 861	Paveman the amount of money you'll put into your ram to finish the build you could buy a samurai and budget build it easily. They tow super nice with a truck like yours. www.rockyroadoutfitters.com bolt on spoa t-case gears www.trailtough.com mini spool 31's and thing will go all the same places!

07-09-2003, 08:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
D'sYJ Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20224 Location: Springfield, Or Posts: 102	yeah the dodge is prob. a better tow rig than 'Con runner. But with the set up described you should be able to run it no problem just dont whine about the body damage the 'con will throw at ya. Think of it as a souvinier __________________ Timbercrawler 89 YJ on 36's, 2.5L, Atlas4.3, D44 FR & RR, ARB and Detriot

07-13-2003, 06:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
85Surf Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12505 Location: N.America Posts: 660	BLAZER WAS FULL SIZE 75% SURE,LOOKED LIKE A 3/4TON RIG JUST GOT BACK AGAIN FROM THE CON, SAW ABOUT 10 FULL SIZE .SOME FORD BRONCOS AND SOME EXTRA CAB CHEV'S total adda boy to em too, = $$$$ of dollers in Body ,Damage for sure,but made it thru Gate Keaper,2 hours later thay said.!! ALOT OF B.D ON SOME OF THEM (EDDIE BOWER FLAIRS Rock Stipping )+CRUNCHED & RIPPED OFF then put on roof )and just smiling going by . (we had to wait on trail all us going from Tahoe to Loon).Wait time ,not bad thow. AND ABOUT 5 FORD EXPLODERS EVEN AT THE SPRINGS TOO. __________________ 1.If You Do not have nothing Nice to SAY,Don't say nothing at all. 2. 85Surf ARB'd Locked and Geared w-Flex & still NOT on a Trailer to the trail or home ,most of the time,he he.

07-14-2003, 01:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
85Surf Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12505 Location: N.America Posts: 660	Darren NICE TO MEET YOU AGAIN TOO, ATTA BOY FOR YA SLEEPIN COWBOY STYLE 100-YRDS UP FROM theSluice box and in the dirt = no tent -just air mattress. were you affraid some drunk ,might come by and run ya over? __________________ 1.If You Do not have nothing Nice to SAY,Don't say nothing at all. 2. 85Surf ARB'd Locked and Geared w-Flex & still NOT on a Trailer to the trail or home ,most of the time,he he.

07-17-2003, 10:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
jeepfamily Burned Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19879 Location: Norcal Posts: 1,333	know of a good body man and im not talking about my wife

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