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Old 07-02-2003, 11:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ellis Creek shortcut >?

Hey guys

Does anyone know the turnoff for Ellis Creek shortcut off Ice House ? I wanted to take the shortcut if possible to miss some of the traffic this weekend going around gatekeeper . I understand if you don't turn to go to loon, you keep going up but how far is the turn off and what are the condtions like on the trail. ( i.e ) is there any sketchy sections at all. Not saying Gatekeeper is sketchy, just don't want to be sitting in traffic if all possible.

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Old 07-02-2003, 12:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you talking about Wentworth or mccinstry (Sp?)
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Old 07-02-2003, 01:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't know exactly what entrance it is. Its right before the new section if you are coming from the Box by Ellis Creek and you go throu some place you can camp on your right or something and its a trail that is pretty mellow, but dusty from what I understand ? and pops out on ice house after. I want to say its not Wentworth springs entrance and say maybe mccinstry trail ???? Sound familer ?

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Old 07-02-2003, 01:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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McKinstry comes out at Ellis.

Found these from Del a while back


"to get there from icehouse, go up almost to Loon, and stay left (straight) where the road forks to the right to go the last 5 miles or so to Loon. I think the sign says Gerle Creek and something else.

You go past the Gerle Creek and Airport Flat campgrounds and the pavement peters out. You'll see USFS signs that lead you to a lookout (Bunker Hill) and McKinstry lake.

get a USFS map on your way up.
Also try mytopo.com or MapQuest.

This is the back way into the Rubicon. It comes out at Ellis Creek (which is the top of the bowl or slabs you might say). Right before Walker Hill. "
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Would anyone be going in this was on friday about 12 pm ish give or take a few hours ? I would want to say it will cut off atleast 2 hours of the traffic jam at Gatekeeper with all the rookies. I heard there is a couple of turn offs on the fire road that you have to take and I don't want to get lost

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Old 07-09-2003, 01:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Different Routes

There are 4 different routes that I'm aware of getting to the slabs.

Gate Keeper - The one you want to avoid

The lower trail - This one you just follow the trail

McKinstry Lake Trail - Very smooth until you get to the slabs

Wentworth Springs Trail - Loads of fun
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Old 07-12-2003, 06:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ledjer,
the Gatekeeper entrance (rookie filter as some call it) IS the trail. the actual County road, Rubicon Trail.

The lower trail you refer to, is not a legal trail, but rather a user created, temporary trail that will soon be closed off. It's on private property.

McKinstry is a nice way in if you can find it, but misses all the fun of the slabs (bowl).

Wentworth is historically also part of the trail.
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Thanks for the info, Actually took gatekeeper and there wasn't anyone in the way which was nice, must of just gotten lucky when we came through.

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. . . the Gatekeeper entrance (rookie filter as some call it) IS the trail. the actual County road, Rubicon Trail . . . Del
I beg to differ with you. The Loon Lake entrance, including the Gatekeeper, is a bypass. It may, in fact, now be designated as the "actual County road" but it is not the original Rubicon Trail.

I would suggest you research the history of the Rubicon instead of rewriting it.

For your edification, I have attached a general depiction of that portion of the original trail from Wentworth to Spider including the Loon Lake bypass.
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I beg to differ with you. The Loon Lake entrance, including the Gatekeeper, is a bypass. It may, in fact, now be designated as the "actual County road" but it is not the original Rubicon Trail.

I would suggest you research the history of the Rubicon instead of rewriting it.
You are both correct here. The original trail (Del knows) is the Wentworth Road. The "Common" access point is/was the Loon bypass. It is either now or will be soon the other "official" entrance to the trail.

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Old 07-12-2003, 04:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Rockcrusher, you have a point... Del oversimplified, a bit, and from discussing it with him in the past, I know that he knows that the 'unmaintained county road' runs through Wentworth and across Ellis Creek.

You make your point with such animosity, though... What's up?

If you want to play 'My maps's better than your map,' I'll play -- check the press release at: http://www.4x4wire.com/access/news/f...0_02/index.htm
That article was accurate as of 10/2002, and was fact-checked through FOTR, foresty, and the jambo folks.

The bigger issue might be to identify what's eating you and resolve it. You clearly have a good understanding of the history of the trail, and I think that experience would make a great addition to the Friends of the Rubion team... but you're lobbing in grenades from the outside. What can we do to get you to work with us?

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Old 07-13-2003, 06:55 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Rockcrusher- To use a line from your website"To counter this threat we must unite"
Like Randy says what is eating at you? We all are civillized here for the most part. I encourge you to join FOTR or at least show up to a work party and see what it is all about we are allways looking for more help.
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