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Old 10-18-2016, 10:03 PM   #51 (permalink)
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The issue is water that is deep enough to "rinse contaminants" from a vehicle and contaminate the "Waters of the State". That area needs about 4 more loads of 26k a load rock to prevent "rinsing".

Winter Camp is officially the open camp area near the entrance to little sluice. Some refer to it as the "Y" (two routes to choose from). The area they show as winter camp is in fact a closed camping area. I refer to it as the big turn before Winter Camp.

Accidentally - rock that was designated for this area was dumped into little sluice instead. Hence, while the work may be complete on "paper", it is far from being able to stop the rinsing of contaminants.

Here is what it looked like after last weekends rain, never mind the fools in tinfoil hats. You should be able to see the rock that was dumped, and you can't.
Thanks for the clarification. But regardless of which location is truly Winter Camp or not, it is my understanding that the rock shown in the pictures below (I took them 10/15/16 AM) is in the correct location - the location monitored by the county during the Trail Site Assessments. Is this not correct?






Additionally, in the picture you posted of the rock drop site you can see that the entire axle and undercarriage of John's rig is completely out of the water (looking at the drivers side of course) in one of the deepest spots too. Can you quantify "rinsing contaminates" from a vehicle? What parts of the vehicle are allowed to touch the water? What vehicle build (height, tire size, etc) sets the baseline? After how much rain? And who is to say?

Please note that the Winter Camp area got in the ballpark of 9" of rain this weekend from Friday through Sunday (per Weather.gov). 5.75" of that was within 24 hours ending Sunday. The entire trail was a river. After driving through that area on Sunday I would say that given the weather conditions, the rock is doing a damn good job keeping vehicles up and out of the water as well as keeping them from disrupting the sediment at the bottom. Just my first hand observation.

I'm not challenging you. Just trying to educate myself.

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Old 10-19-2016, 07:28 PM   #52 (permalink)
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The issue is water that is deep enough to "rinse contaminants" from a vehicle and contaminate the "Waters of the State". That area needs about 4 more loads of 26k a load rock to prevent "rinsing".

Winter Camp is officially the open camp area near the entrance to little sluice. Some refer to it as the "Y" (two routes to choose from). The area they show as winter camp is in fact a closed camping area. I refer to it as the big turn before Winter Camp.

Accidentally - rock that was designated for this area was dumped into little sluice instead. Hence, while the work may be complete on "paper", it is far from being able to stop the rinsing of contaminants.

Here is what it looked like after last weekends rain, never mind the fools in tinfoil hats. You should be able to see the rock that was dumped, and you can't.
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Thanks for the clarification. But regardless of which location is truly Winter Camp or not, it is my understanding that the rock shown in the pictures below (I took them 10/15/16 AM) is in the correct location - the location monitored by the county during the Trail Site Assessments. Is this not correct?






Additionally, in the picture you posted of the rock drop site you can see that the entire axle and undercarriage of John's rig is completely out of the water (looking at the drivers side of course) in one of the deepest spots too. Can you quantify "rinsing contaminates" from a vehicle? What parts of the vehicle are allowed to touch the water? What vehicle build (height, tire size, etc) sets the baseline? After how much rain? And who is to say?

Please note that the Winter Camp area got in the ballpark of 9" of rain this weekend from Friday through Sunday (per Weather.gov). 5.75" of that was within 24 hours ending Sunday. The entire trail was a river. After driving through that area on Sunday I would say that given the weather conditions, the rock is doing a damn good job keeping vehicles up and out of the water as well as keeping them from disrupting the sediment at the bottom. Just my first hand observation.

I'm not challenging you. Just trying to educate myself.

Jeep450r the little area of the rock dump/trail work is and ever ever was the deepest part that water normally stands in that section of trail! Just look at the three idiots in tin foil picture and you can see that area way way in the back of the picture! Yes, rock fill can fix this areas issues easily. But it has to get done and done in the right spots with the focus on fixing it for good!
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Old 10-19-2016, 07:54 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Jeep450r the little area of the rock dump/trail work is and ever ever was the deepest part that water normally stands in that section of trail! Just look at the three idiots in tin foil picture and you can see that area way way in the back of the picture! Yes, rock fill can fix this areas issues easily. But it has to get done and done in the right spots with the focus on fixing it for good!
Not entirely sure what you just said but let me take a stab at the first two sentences:

"Where the rock was dumped is the correct spot and is at the deepest part where water stands in that section of the trail. This rock drop spot is the area way in the back of the tin foil picture."

Did I get it?

If so, the only thing I can argue is that the drop zone is directly behind the people in the tin foil hat picture.

I just don't seem to see the issue. The problem spot that is monitored by the county during the trail assessments has been addressed, right?
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:38 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Jeep450r the little area of the rock dump/trail work is and ever ever was the deepest part that water normally stands in that section of trail!

Awesome, they rocked the right spot.

Just look at the three idiots in tin foil picture and you can see that area way way in the back of the picture!



Yes, rock fill can fix this areas issues easily. But it has to get done and done in the right spots with the focus on fixing it for good!



There is nothing easy about any work regarding the trail in this area. If it's really that easy then knock yourself out. Had the rock placed in LS been put at this location I don't think it would have been that much different than what is shown in the recent pictures. The pissing and moaning in this thread certainly wouldn't have changed much.
My only issue with the rock placement at WC, GK or any other location on the trail is the size of the rock. I'd prefer to see much larger rock being used.
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Old 10-24-2016, 06:48 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I just don't seem to see the issue. The problem spot that is monitored by the county during the trail assessments has been addressed, right?
So are we going to stop sediment from getting into the waters of the state?

Or are we going to only placate the monitors?

If we do it your way - sediment can travel and get in the waters of the state and yet we can tell Karen and the Waterboard to f-off because we built up the trail at the monitoring point.

Do it right is all I'm asking. Doing the bare minimum and kicking the can down the road is the issue here.
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So are we going to stop sediment from getting into the waters of the state?

Or are we going to only placate the monitors?

If we do it your way - sediment can travel and get in the waters of the state and yet we can tell Karen and the Waterboard to f-off because we built up the trail at the monitoring point.

Do it right is all I'm asking. Doing the bare minimum and kicking the can down the road is the issue here.
I wish I knew what that way was.
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