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Old 04-23-2017, 05:51 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Operation Glacier Girl Update: Change of Plans

Yesterday (Saturday) Nick from Reno4x4 and I made it to the first rig on our tracked quads. We had hoped to uncover it for the recovery crew this coming weekend. We were encouraged to see that the snow on the trail has melted to the ground in many places but imoressed it's also 10-12 feet in others. Unfortunately my son's rig, which is at approx 7,100 ft is completely buried in one of those 12' sections. So it goes. We tried to locate its exact position (I have it marked on GPS) but my 8' probe (plus the length of my arm) never touched it. We decided to leave it as it sits and not try to dig down to find it. To complicate matters there is a big lodge pole pine down across the trail just before that first rig, the base of which is 4' in diameter (Matt thank you for that scouting report). Nick and I bypased the big tree but we don't believe a 4x4 can do the same. it has to come out.

I've communicated to most of the core group what we're up against and we've decided to modify our objective for next weekend. We will assemble our crew early Saturday and attempt to break trail to the first rig (or the big pine, if we can't get past it) and then return home that afternoon/evening. We will not plan to dig the first rig out or attempt to recover during this trip. Once we've established that we can reach it I will begin digging it out and reschedule a recovery. Some crew members may go out again Sunday but we do not plan to spend the night.

I spent the week smoothing out the first couple of tank traps and creek crossings. Nick and I met a few rigs attempting to cross the first tank trap and I saw one make it through and back again. I don't know if anyone went further than that. There is one other big tree down immediately past the first creek crossing that will be a major obstacle but I belive that current conditions will allow us to drive over it. Nick cleared quite a few smaller trees blocking the trail to the first rig (thank you NIck!). For you woodsmen out there don't worry there's plenty more to do.

I know others were out today I curious to get a report of how they fared. If you decide to go please be very cautious crossing the bridge to the staging area. It's getting pretty skinny and I'm worried someone will drop a tire off the side. Thank you.
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Glad I could help Doug, even if I can't be out there this weekend I will be on standby in case you guys need anything!
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Old 04-24-2017, 04:35 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Sure would like to see some photos...
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So I volunteered to go up for the recovery mission on Emmit's XJ (Doug's son). Which got me thinking, "What will a vehicle buried under 12 feet of snow all winter look like?" Will the hood and roof be caved in? Will it have 3 feet of ice inside? You probably won't be able to hop in, start it up and drive it out.

Anyone have pictures of a recovered snow bound vehicle? This is what I found on the internet...decided to put this up after learning Doug said before the XJ got stuck they had just tried crossing and got stuck in a frozen creek.
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Old 04-24-2017, 06:56 PM   #81 (permalink)
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There was that hummer on fordyce a while back.

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I have seen vehicles that were left off MET over the winter in a heavy snow year. roof caved in, tires flat etc.

ever wonder why the Forest Service gates are so over built?
its not just to keep people out, the weight of snow will bend those to the ground as well.

there is literally 10 tons of snow on the area the size of a vehicle at that elevation this year
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We're about to find out how well a Cherokee holds up.

Going to need lots and lots of pictures of this recovery.
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also if you have to cross any of those areas where the water has formed a canyon.

chainsaw with the longest bar you have.
cut blocks 1 foot square and remove with a shovel
move down a foot and repeat, make a ramp

I have done it for both vehicles and snowmobiles and it works well if you have a few helping hands.

the 4 foot tree in the trail.
will suck if it is buried partially in snow, cutting the top half off will be a bitch
if it is on ground, cut and roll will be easy if you have enough saw.

2 of us moved this with a little effort with a 32 in saw, as strap, a pulley and a truck


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Sure make John do all the work
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Wow, still a lot of snow, wish I could help, good luck.

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also if you have to cross any of those areas where the water has formed a canyon.

chainsaw with the longest bar you have.
cut blocks 1 foot square and remove with a shovel
move down a foot and repeat, make a ramp

I have done it for both vehicles and snowmobiles and it works well if you have a few helping hands.

the 4 foot tree in the trail.
will suck if it is buried partially in snow, cutting the top half off will be a bitch
if it is on ground, cut and roll will be easy if you have enough saw.

2 of us moved this with a little effort with a 32 in saw, as strap, a pulley and a truck


Nicely done!
beats heck out of one my dad and I cleared many yrs back
only 42" diameter

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Sure make John do all the work
hey I drove, you don't expect me to do everything
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Old 04-26-2017, 07:54 AM   #89 (permalink)
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Group is out and on their way home, productive day 1!


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A picture is certainly worth a thousand words here. That rig must be down 12' to the floor pan.


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Come on man, whats the update? Did it come out of the hole? More pictures. This is epic stuff
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Roof looks caved in. Need more pictures.
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Nice job everyone. +1 for more pictures, maybe some details on damage.
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Just occurred to me, you guys used those small shovels to dig 8' down in the snow?!
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OGG Update: We made it to the first rig yesterday and got it uncovered, a 14 1/2 hour EPIC day on the trail with a fantastic group of guys. We far exceeded my expectations as I had hoped to just make tracks to the 1st rig, if that was even possible. Five rigs went over the berm at 8am, same group as we had in January with the addition of Tim's son Matt, plus me and Nick on our tracked quads. Two more local rigs caught up with us at McKinney Lake so in all we had 9 guys plus the two youngest brought their wives, nice to have the ladies on the trail, they were great sports (funny the older wives didn't want to go? Hmmm). It took us 6 hrs to get 5 miles in and 3 hrs to get out though on the way out we did meet a group of rigs taking a crack at the first tank trap. I had located my son's Cherokee (1st rig) late Friday afternoon, digging down 8' on a hunch and landing on the spare tire on the roof rack(!). We made it there around 2pm yesterday and almost immediately and without asking 9 guys had shovels in hand throwing snow like dogs digging up a bone. 4 hrs later we had the entire XJ uncovered, the hood open and Nick had Kenny's winch battery and a jump box wired up. Kenny put a shovel through the already broken windshield and crawled in over broken glass to unlatch the hood and turn the key. We were able to get the motor to turn over but it wasn't breathing, we suspect the tail pipe is crushed or clogged with snow (maybe a critter?). Scott, Tim and Matt rolled up and winched the Jeep forward a couple six inches and that seemed to help. But by that time it was getting late and we were all pretty sore and tired so we packed up and headed for home. As far as damage the XJ seems to be in pretty good shape considering the weight it was under. The roof is crushed down to the roll cage (glad we put that in!), the windshield was busted, the mirrors are gone and the hood was resting on the valve cover (4.0 I6). The side window behind the drivers door gave way while digging out but there wasn't any snow inside the vehicle. We're regrouping now to determine next steps, possibly a recovery effort next weekend, but we'll see. Stay tuned. HUGE thank you to Nick, Jim, Scott, Tim, Matt, Kenny(!), Mike and JJ. You guys absolutely rock.
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After seeing that picture I feel it would make a lot more sense to wait for more of the snow to melt before getting that thing out! That's going to be hell to winch out and then drag it out of there in these conditions! What's the rush?
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After seeing that picture I feel it would make a lot more sense to wait for more of the snow to melt before getting that thing out! That's going to be hell to winch out and then drag it out of there in these conditions! What's the rush?
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Just occurred to me, you guys used those small shovels to dig 8' down in the snow?!
The snow this time of the year is pretty hard, even complete ice in some spots, no way in he'll you are digging with a snow shovel. Even a normal shovel full is damn heavy. That was some hard work!
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