FOTR Comments needed ASAP - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

cruzila · 03-17-2005, 12:03 PM

Much of the "unofficial" leadership gathered and discussed the 2nd Draft plan by ESP. There was MUCH debate. Del has compiled a response to that from the discussion.

RTMP 2nd draft FOTR response

This is what will be sent to ESP and the county as the official response from FOTR. Before that, the input from the Friends is crucial. So, please go download it, read it and reply ASAP.

feel free to distribute this as far as you like.

Scott

Disco · 03-17-2005, 12:40 PM

Great response. I totally agree with what Del said!!!!!

Tom Boyd · 03-17-2005, 03:47 PM

Good job. The response represents my opinion EXACTLY. It paints a good picture of what FOTR and trail users have accomplished and will continue to accomplish. I know we have to be reasonable, and I really think this is just that.

I am worried that we don't have much in the way of leverage. Am I right?

jopes · 03-17-2005, 03:47 PM

well said.

tgariano · 03-17-2005, 05:22 PM

pretty dam good, except nothing about TUA's and fees.

also how about reposting the email addys again for those of us who lost them. thanks.

cruzila · 03-18-2005, 10:29 PM

find links in this thread
or in my signature

Darwin · 03-19-2005, 09:04 AM

Great job!
I posted the info here:
http://www.jeepbbs.net/forums/showth...&threadid=9035

Chuck

tgariano · 03-19-2005, 08:16 PM

yep. sorry about not noticing the bottom of your sig. I usually ignore those things. Anyways I made it to the meeting, for all I know we might have talked. Dont know. Interesting to see a comment section where the guy evades giving any direct answers. Especially about the TUA's.

And no that was not me asking about them ,I let rob handle it as best as the ESP guy would let him.

mtnbronco · 03-23-2005, 09:00 AM

i didn't make it to the meeting.. but i thank you guys for going and standing up to the ESP guy.. he is great at dodging the questions that need real answers. I noticed that in the prior meetings.. I think it also was weird that they pick the 19th when alot of guys would be possibly leaving for Moab..

Well I'm against the user fee idea, because it doesn't allow for us who are in the local area to receive any discount for multiple use.. Also if I volunteer for clean up projects can my time be aplied to the cost of the use permit?

just a general question to think about

cruzila · 03-23-2005, 12:33 PM

Trail maintenance and work crews are exempt from the TUA for the duration of the job.

rockwrangler · 04-01-2005, 02:44 PM

FULLY agree with all of that
Good job Del

Blue Devil Toyota · 04-08-2005, 12:10 PM

I also would have to agree. Great Job

03-17-2005, 12:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
cruzila Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6650 Location: Garden Valley Posts: 5,384	FOTR Comments needed ASAP Much of the "unofficial" leadership gathered and discussed the 2nd Draft plan by ESP. There was MUCH debate. Del has compiled a response to that from the discussion. RTMP 2nd draft FOTR response This is what will be sent to ESP and the county as the official response from FOTR. Before that, the input from the Friends is crucial. So, please go download it, read it and reply ASAP. feel free to distribute this as far as you like. Scott __________________ Scott Johnston Rubicon Trail Foundation Founding Director and Past President 2010-2012 WIN a fully built Toyota pickup at Cantina 2013 Davez Off Road and Trail Gear are supporting Rubicon Trail Foundation

03-17-2005, 12:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Disco Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 96 Location: Placerville, Ca U.S.A. Posts: 3,002	Great response. I totally agree with what Del said!!!!! __________________ R.I.P. Rachel Anne Gray - I miss you and will always love you!! R.I.P. Dennis. We miss you!!! California Creepers KI6TMC

03-17-2005, 03:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tom Boyd Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5380 Location: Discovery Bay, CA, USA Posts: 847	Good job. The response represents my opinion EXACTLY. It paints a good picture of what FOTR and trail users have accomplished and will continue to accomplish. I know we have to be reasonable, and I really think this is just that. I am worried that we don't have much in the way of leverage. Am I right? __________________ GUNS ONLY HAVE TWO ENEMIES, RUST AND POLITICIANS.

03-17-2005, 03:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
jopes Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8469 Location: Douglas, Wyoming Posts: 3,191	well said. __________________ 408ci SEFI, 70mm throttle body, 90mm mass air, stang harness, tweecer R/T waiting on a home.

03-17-2005, 05:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
tgariano Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5470 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 157	pretty dam good, except nothing about TUA's and fees. also how about reposting the email addys again for those of us who lost them. thanks. __________________ 84 cj8 44-44 almost full width full length,disks all round

03-18-2005, 10:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
cruzila Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6650 Location: Garden Valley Posts: 5,384	find links in this thread or in my signature __________________ Scott Johnston Rubicon Trail Foundation Founding Director and Past President 2010-2012 WIN a fully built Toyota pickup at Cantina 2013 Davez Off Road and Trail Gear are supporting Rubicon Trail Foundation

03-19-2005, 09:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
Darwin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Member # 33159 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 50	Great job! I posted the info here: http://www.jeepbbs.net/forums/showth...&threadid=9035 Chuck

03-19-2005, 08:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
tgariano Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5470 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 157	yep. sorry about not noticing the bottom of your sig. I usually ignore those things. Anyways I made it to the meeting, for all I know we might have talked. Dont know. Interesting to see a comment section where the guy evades giving any direct answers. Especially about the TUA's. And no that was not me asking about them ,I let rob handle it as best as the ESP guy would let him. __________________ 84 cj8 44-44 almost full width full length,disks all round

03-23-2005, 09:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
mtnbronco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17283 Location: Rescue, CA Posts: 211	i didn't make it to the meeting.. but i thank you guys for going and standing up to the ESP guy.. he is great at dodging the questions that need real answers. I noticed that in the prior meetings.. I think it also was weird that they pick the 19th when alot of guys would be possibly leaving for Moab.. Well I'm against the user fee idea, because it doesn't allow for us who are in the local area to receive any discount for multiple use.. Also if I volunteer for clean up projects can my time be aplied to the cost of the use permit? just a general question to think about __________________ 70 Bronco 351w efi, C4 and many extras "'hates the pavement""

03-23-2005, 12:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
cruzila Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6650 Location: Garden Valley Posts: 5,384	Trail maintenance and work crews are exempt from the TUA for the duration of the job. __________________ Scott Johnston Rubicon Trail Foundation Founding Director and Past President 2010-2012 WIN a fully built Toyota pickup at Cantina 2013 Davez Off Road and Trail Gear are supporting Rubicon Trail Foundation

04-01-2005, 02:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
rockwrangler Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12263 Location: not here legal then go home Posts: 1,062	FULLY agree with all of that Good job Del __________________ TTC Recovery/Safety guy Jeep wrangler warn9500/ 3-linkft-4 linkR/37" GY M/T beadlocks,truehi-9 rear detroit, 44 front ox-locker warn shafts CTM joints/Atlas 5-1,coilovers ECT. Member: Friends Of The Rubicon,Cal 4--wheel clubs Asso.,Blue Ribbion coalition, Motherload Rockcrawlers

04-08-2005, 12:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
Blue Devil Toyota Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Member # 13438 Location: Santa Clara CA Posts: 1,031	I also would have to agree. Great Job __________________ Team ateteight #88 Sponsors: Frontier 4x4, Superior Axle & Gear, Rock4X Fabrication, South Bay Drive Line, Lucas Oil, Degnan Printers, Grid 6

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