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Old 09-15-2009, 12:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The water agency assessment fact or assumption.

Here is a link I found http://www.sierraconservation.org/ru...il_cao_att.pdf

I hope its not a R..

Can any one help me out here and to make sure that I am understanding this correctly .They used the words assume and assumption in there equation. if I read this right, some of there numbers are not base on real percentage ?
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readily remebered, rambling reject, resoundingly recalled, rendered refuse, revised, resubmitted, refuted

Responses:
http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/rwqcb5/board...erkurt_com.pdf
http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/rwqcb5/board...ifford_com.pdf
http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/rwqcb5/board..._arenz_com.pdf
http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/rwqcb5/board...1mar09_com.pdf

Rebuttal:
http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/rwqcb5/board...frpt_att_b.pdf

Regurgitated:
http://www.calsport.org/RubiconTrail...il_cao_att.pdf

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Why am I not surprised that pile of TP is still on Karen Schambachs website

It was pulled from the Water Boards Website, because it was sooo bad, no one would put their geologists stamp on it.

There was even a complaint filed to the Geology Board.
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Can any one help me out here and to make sure that I am understanding this correctly .They used the words assume and assumption in there equation. if I read this right, some of there numbers are not base on real percentage ?
Much of this document was problematic enough that Rubicon Trail Foundation (RTF) paid for external analysis and worked amongst ourselves and with other volunteers to identify the flaws in the research. We worked with Water Law counsel to change the document (we fought hard to get unfounded comments removed with respect to most of the trail and Little Sluice in particular <what remains is mostly about Ellis Creek> and the agenda-based language and assumptions toned down), and in the end, the document itself was withdrawn thanks to the persistence of a few licensed geologists.

There are certainly problems with this report ... bad enough that the Regional Water Quality Board (RWQB) pulled it back. The problem is, of course, that the Cleanup and Abatement Order (CAO) process was initiated with this document, and even though the 'study' document has been withdrawn, the CAO wheels have been set in motion, and can't be stopped; they will run their course. We can and should work with the RWQB to ensure as good a result as possible, but we're unable to put the CAO genie back in the bottle

The good thing about the CAO is the unprecedented cooperative of response from RTF, FOTR, clubs, and independents -- we pulled together and responded with such organization and factual basis, that the game changed. Thousands of users submitted affidavits, and many showed up at the RWQB Hearing to support OHV. RTF's fax machines were smoking hot with affidavit responses from FOTR, Cal4, NORA, PBB, and other folks who wanted their voice to be heard.

The trick is to keep rolling that momentum forward...

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Much of this document was problematic enough that Rubicon Trail Foundation (RTF) paid for external analysis and worked amongst ourselves and with other volunteers to identify the flaws in the research. We worked with Water Law counsel to change the document (we fought hard to get unfounded comments removed with respect to most of the trail and Little Sluice in particular <what remains is mostly about Ellis Creek> and the agenda-based language and assumptions toned down), and in the end, the document itself was withdrawn thanks to the persistence of a few licensed geologists.

There are certainly problems with this report ... bad enough that the Regional Water Quality Board (RWQB) pulled it back. The problem is, of course, that the Cleanup and Abatement Order (CAO) process was initiated with this document, and even though the 'study' document has been withdrawn, the CAO wheels have been set in motion, and can't be stopped; they will run their course. We can and should work with the RWQB to ensure as good a result as possible, but we're unable to put the CAO genie back in the bottle

The good thing about the CAO is the unprecedented cooperative of response from RTF, FOTR, clubs, and independents -- we pulled together and responded with such organization and factual basis, that the game changed. Thousands of users submitted affidavits, and many showed up at the RWQB Hearing to support OHV. RTF's fax machines were smoking hot with affidavit responses from FOTR, Cal4, NORA, PBB, and other folks who wanted their voice to be heard.

The trick is to keep rolling that momentum forward...

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WOW !!
Thank you for the more insight on the subject. Iím glad that Iím not the only person that saw it that way .

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