Brookie ?

[Lil Uzi]

Wasn't one of the main objections to OHV travel and sediment proffered by the scientists was the impact to Ellis Creek ? I know there are, or are supposed to be, or there is habitat for Yellow Belly frogs, but the species of concern was a fish, no ? The silt degrades the the gravel spawning beds, a sediment cloud that smothers death ?

So I was looking through the Cal Dept of Fish and Game regs, and this caught my eye.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fish/Resources..._BrookDesc.asp

Brook trout are native to eastern North America and were brought to California in the late 1800's. Brook trout are currently widespread throughout the Sierra Nevada with wild brook trout occupying hundreds of miles of streams. Many high mountain lakes have been stocked with fingerling brook trout, providing fast action angling and tasty dinners while in the high country. Brook trout, like other char, are fall spawners. Most trout species require clean gravel beds in flowing water for spawning, however, "brookies" are capable of natural reproduction in the substrates of many high mountain lakes. In the nutrient-poor waters of the high Sierra lakes brook trout are prone to stunting where food and space are limiting. To help alleviate stunted brook trout populations a "bonus brook trout bag limit" has been established for waters of the Sierra and North Coast Districts. South of Interstate 80 an additional 10 brook trout less than 10 inches total length may be kept in addition to the regular five-trout bag limit.

Italics Mine. Sounds like ethnic cleansing.

Havin a Lookee see tomorrow, nothin works like power bait !!!

[silversas13]

Great to know!! When did this apply?

[Bebe]

IIRC the 'magic pebble count" was about fish - and that two crossings were how we were affecting the "Waters of the State". Notably Ellis Creek along with the Gerle Creek crossing on the old trail past Airport Flat. Everything else was a "potential" effect since it is well over 200 ft from any type of water source, rendering it Hydro-logically disconnected. (In El Dorado County)

Which we know that unless there is high/channeled velocity, most sediment travels no more than 200 feet in a channel.

Water Crossings are the issue, truly, nothing else is - only a perceived potential issue to alarmist type pseudo scientists.

Erosion was a separate issue which I never understood, because it "happens".

Frog habitats are more frequently at lower 'chaparral elevations'.

I'd have to go back to the RTMP to see if "Frogs" were found - I don't think they were.

I love that you read this crap for fun like I do - what else you got???

[1uglyranger]

FYI, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with power bait in any of the creeks on the con. Get yourself an ultra light rod, some 2-4lb test, and some 1/32 oz panther martins. I have caught brookies in every piece of water on the con that I have tried (except buck... I can't catch crap in that lake, but a ton of fish in the water leaving bucks spillway...go figure). The lighter the tackle the better... great eatin too

[djelliott916]

They were jumping on the hook a few weekends ago, I was using meal worms.

[Lil Uzi]

FYI, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with power bait in any of the creeks on the con. Get yourself an ultra light rod, some 2-4lb test, and some 1/32 oz panther martins.

We have all that. Agreed. Flys on #18's and #24's, so small I can't thread them on a 2-lb tippet anymore with my old eyes. I was bragging about Powerbait to sound all macho and horrify any enviro nazis.

Brookies are fall spawners, I know Goldies, another non native, are spring. I seen em' with my own eyes doing the thang, but way way south and way higher elevation. I would think the native is the Rainbow, and it is a spring spawner.

Fawk !!

Looked at wiki. That is all F-ed up. What happened to Salmo gardnerii ?
They have re-named and re-classified everything. They even have a Sacramento Golden Trout. ( I had a full year of Zoo in college and have been an avid fisherperson since about 1970)

The game is to make every single genetic population unique and special, and therefore it is priceless, threatened with extinction, and HAS to be preserved against EVERYTHING.

Enviro madness I swear to God.

[1uglyranger]

I have caught native rainbows, and brooks on the con, both down, and upstream of the Ellis crossing, your powerbait hasn't killed them all yet

A buddy caught a 21" brookie in the spillway at buck over laborday weekend.... you should have seen the teeth on that one

[Sisyphus]

Originally Posted by 1uglyranger

FYI, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with power bait in any of the creeks on the con. Get yourself an ultra light rod, some 2-4lb test, and some 1/32 oz panther martins. I have caught brookies in every piece of water on the con that I have tried (except buck... I can't catch crap in that lake, but a ton of fish in the water leaving bucks spillway...go figure). The lighter the tackle the better... great eatin too

Buck is one of the few places that I like to fish. Have you ever caught anything out of Spider? I always get skunked there.

[1uglyranger]

Originally Posted by Sisyphus

Buck is one of the few places that I like to fish. Have you ever caught anything out of Spider? I always get skunked there.

Haven't fished spider since it was closed to access, but back then, yes, caught a number of rainbows...some good size too

Its amazing how good they tasted with all that poop in the water

[Sisyphus]

Originally Posted by 1uglyranger

Haven't fished spider since it was closed to access, but back then, yes, caught a number of rainbows...some good size too

Its amazing how good they tasted with all that poop in the water

I just figured the lake wasn't deep enough to support.

And that's very kind of you to help remove another generating source of fecal contamination (read fish poop) I have been actively trying to clean the lake water that way for decades

[Rock Tractor]

There's no fish up there. We just like to hike with a fishing pole.

[1uglyranger]

Originally Posted by Rock Tractor

There's no fish up there. We just like to hike with a fishing pole.

Oh yeah, I forgot... no fish there...keep walking... don't come back

[cruzila]

There have been and still are very good size fish in Spider. I saw a picture of one last year that was around 24". I have seen an iphone with some good size brookies this year. :wink: