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Old 05-30-2006, 05:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Building a Shop on a budget...(My Shop Project Build)

Well it has come time to stop paying money to someone else to have a shop away from the house...
Right now I have a 30x30 shop that I rent and it is about 15 mins from my house but I have decided that I want to be closer to the house and have all my tools close at hand...

The bad news I have a very limited budget due to wedding this Sept and Jess wanting to due a bunch of work inside house..

So here is what I have come up with..

The Plan:
Cut down trees in backyard (13 Pines coming out)
Tear out concrete parking pad to make driveway to shop area
sell shed and get it taken out of backyard (June 10th it is going away)
level backyard
pour concrete pad and then build building..

This may take me a few months to get done but hey I like build up threads so why not document it
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Here was the 1st step in the process

I bought a metal building..

Good News: it is 26'x36' with 10'6" doorways and 13'6" roof line

Bad news: it was totally assembled and I had to go take it down and bring it to my house..

So I got 4 buddies and sunday we went up to location and dissassemled it and brought it back to my house on my trailer.

Took 5 guys, 24 Gatorades, 20 bottles water and 5.5hrs from start to finish..
NOt a bad day

Here are some pics of it on trailer back at my house



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So I got 4 buddies and sunday we went up to location and dissassemled it and brought it back to my house on my trailer.
That's exactly what I did w my last shop, had to tear it down and bring it over. We had a lot more than 4 people but it still took us a full day. But I paid something like $1500 for the building when an equivalent new would have been at least $8k.

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That's exactly what I did w my last shop, had to tear it down and bring it over. We had a lot more than 4 people but it still took us a full day. But I paid something like $1500 for the building when an equivalent new would have been at least $8k.

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exactly this one cost me $1200
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That should work out well. I would take the money that was saved buying the used building and buy new screws, tacky tape, and good insulation. I am now becomming an expert on metal building insulation. There are many options. Did you get doors with the building?

You should be able to get it up under 10k. Depending on what you are doing for lights and electric, maybe 10k total. Are you building with a permit? I have wondered how you would go about getting a permit on a used building. I guess it would depend on local regs. In SC it would be easy, my area of NC would be a little harder.
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That should work out well. I would take the money that was saved buying the used building and buy new screws, tacky tape, and good insulation. I am now becomming an expert on metal building insulation. There are many options. Did you get doors with the building?

You should be able to get it up under 10k. Depending on what you are doing for lights and electric, maybe 10k total. Are you building with a permit? I have wondered how you would go about getting a permit on a used building. I guess it would depend on local regs. In SC it would be easy, my area of NC would be a little harder.

Good idea on new screws..

As for pricing.. here is what I have so far

Building = $1200
Trees = $1800 for all down and removed
concrete = $1200 but I have to spread and level (no biggy)
rebar,etc = my guess $650
Sell Shed = (profit $500)
lights, brackers, wiring, outlets = $0 all this stuff is in old shop that I am gonna take and put in new shop
the other stuff I stil need to look into is insulation and a garage door..

so total so far = $4350
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That is awesome, except the $1800 for tree removal part!!! I dropped and removed over 100 trees from my parent's place when they built their house and garage. Took two weekends with a buddy helping. I did almost all the chainsaw work. Were the pines just really close to buildings that they had to be removed with a crane or something?
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That is awesome, except the $1800 for tree removal part!!! I dropped and removed over 100 trees from my parent's place when they built their house and garage. Took two weekends with a buddy helping. I did almost all the chainsaw work. Were the pines just really close to buildings that they had to be removed with a crane or something?

Well being that I am certified Sawyer for the National Forest.. I also know how to drop trees correctlyand I do it for my freinds all the time.. but my problem is I do not want to climb these and top them and take them down in sections so I am gonna pay someone...

my house is 10 feet from 5 of the trees and I also have power lines, water, sewer and other stuff to worry about.. so hell in my area that Price is an Out standing. Plus this will be on there insurance if something happen not mine
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They hauling off all the brush, climbing pines sucks.. How big are they?

Sounds like a good price..
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They hauling off all the brush, climbing pines sucks.. How big are they?

Sounds like a good price..

Yup they are taking it all...
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Works out to ~$140 a tree. Hmm, climbing, topping, removal in sections, likely some rope work, and about 15lbs of pine sap on your self, clothes, and gear... and it all goes away without lifting a finger. Hell yes that sounds fair.

x2 on new screws, mastick, insulation

??? on re-using wiring removed from another building. Any time I've tried it, the stuff gets somehow trashed during removal, or was to begin with and ended up taking more time & spending the money anyway. Boxes, outlets, switches - sure. Wire, no thanks.

Your garage door(s) is/are going to cost more than the building unless you can scrounge them too.

Cool project, nice to see the low-buck/ no-buck projects.

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Well since the Tree cutting is going to strat today ..

Here are some pics of before.


here is front of house



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Here are some other pics showing the height and size of the trees..

All pines you can see will be gone in a few days





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??? on re-using wiring removed from another building. Any time I've tried it, the stuff gets somehow trashed during removal, or was to begin with and ended up taking more time & spending the money anyway. Boxes, outlets, switches - sure. Wire, no thanks.

Your garage door(s) is/are going to cost more than the building unless you can scrounge them too.

Cool project, nice to see the low-buck/ no-buck projects.

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As for the wiring and such from old shop.. my buddy Dave and his dad put in all the wiring and all we did was lay it on top of the sheet rock on ceiling so that way it will be easy to take out

I was thinking ahead.. knowing I wanted a shop in my backyard someday..

but yes if it turns out to be a problem then I gues I will have to buy new wire
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Thats a cheap price on those pines. They can be taken in pretty big pieces so that helps...
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First truck load almost full

and no more trees in front yard

I will get more pics of backyard but they are stillout there working




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Looks good Ken.....I can't wait till I drop a few more trees at the new house.....but my new welder comes first for the time.


BTW.....great crew you got, spotless cleanup in the front yard.
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Sounds like a good plan for a budget.
Did you make save any money on the tree removal buy selling the useable logs?
And with the price of copper right now, even if you can't make the old wiring work in the new place, you should definitely remove and scrap it.

And just my $.02, don't underestimate the importance of good concrete work. It doesn't fall in the "no biggy" category.
You definitely don't wanna try to work off a crappy floor in a "new" building.
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what I think is cool about this is that you are erecting a "used" building. I work for a general contractor that does a good bit of metal buildings and had always planned on just paying our cost for a building and going ahead on. But I like your idea alot better, if I can find the right building in the wrong place.


What do you plan to do with all the screw holes in the panels? Put the panels up just as they came off with the same srew holes in the tin and purlins?

Is this a metal building or one of those prefab carport sorta things? The reason I ask is that structure looks to be galvanized rather than "red iron". Around here galvanized is used for the structure of a metal building only in very high end or specialized applications, this makes me wonder if it's one of those prefab deals with light gauge galvanized square tubing for a frame.

Looks like a great plan and looks to be going exactly according to that plan. I'll definately be watching this thread
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Just a few quick pics of the backyard starting to open up..

They took down 10 trees yesterday and hauled them all off.
They only have 3 to go and then it is brush and stump time..



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Yes I will give you the credit for finding.. Thanks again
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Sounds like a good plan for a budget.
Did you make save any money on the tree removal buy selling the useable logs?
And with the price of copper right now, even if you can't make the old wiring work in the new place, you should definitely remove and scrap it.

And just my $.02, don't underestimate the importance of good concrete work. It doesn't fall in the "no biggy" category.
You definitely don't wanna try to work off a crappy floor in a "new" building.
Nope I did not sell the logs.. I think they are which is another reason the price is lower..cause they are gonna make even more money by selling the logs..
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