Hobart Handler 210 prices-Cheaper elsewhere??

[Hillbilly]

Has anyone been able to find someone selling these for less on the web? I've been shopping for a new 220VMIG. I was eyeing the refurb Hobart 187 from Tool King( price by the way), but liked what I read, asfar as reviews go on the HH210 machine. I haven't needed to weld much aluminum, but feel the HH210 with spool gun is a hard deal to pass up for my needs.
Anyone have any input asfar as spool guns go? Will I like/hate it? I've never used one on aluminum, only TIG. I think I would definetly use it if I had it at my shop.

http://www.brweldingsupplies.com/bra...ct_id=881&ID=4


http://www.brweldingsupplies.com/bra...ct_id=882&ID=4

[guidolyons]

~$850 seems to be the going rate. Just ordered MM210 from cyberweld for $851 (basically same price as brwelding only $1 more) I was looking at the toolking refurb HH187, but decided the 7 heat taps and 30 more amp made the HH210 worth the extra $300. Didn't order the spool gun, but nice to have the option.

[hibrid]

http://www.brweldingsupplies.com/bra...ct_id=882&ID=4[/QUOTE]


Im about to buy the same damn thing from BR in a week or so. $1245 shipped is hard to beat, but if anyone knows of a better price......let us know!!!

[tlspeed1]

I did not know Hobart made a Handler 210, I thought the Handler only was a 180. I know they make an Ironman 210, which is what I have and I love it. It maybe be a typo or something. I know the handler is portable and the Ironman has its own wheels. I know there is a price difference, the Ironman is around 1100 from Northern and I have seen them other places for about the same price. Something you may want to check into. Just my .02 cents

[hibrid]

the HH 210 came out not to long ago. It is a portable 210 and this particular package comes with a spoolgun for $1245 shipped

[Hillbilly]

Originally Posted by tlspeed1

I did not know Hobart made a Handler 210, I thought the Handler only was a 180. I know they make an Ironman 210, which is what I have and I love it. It maybe be a typo or something. I know the handler is portable and the Ironman has its own wheels. I know there is a price difference, the Ironman is around 1100 from Northern and I have seen them other places for about the same price. Something you may want to check into. Just my .02 cents

Here's the link where i first heard about it.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ghlight=hobart

[D60]

I'm clearly behind the times because I didn't know about this unit either. Looks like you pay bit of a penalty in duty cycle compared to the Ironman, and I see this was mentioned in the link Hillbilly provided above

Handler 210: 30% at 150A
Ironman: 40% at 150A

Also I see in the quotes that people were not able to spray transfer w the Handler........I wonder why? It's probably buried in the Hobart Forum link somewhere, but I didn't want to go thru all 11+ pages.

Either way the new Handler sounds like a lot of bang for the buck, which is what the old Hobart 180 always was, too IMO.......and the new 210 seems just that much better.

Altho I gotta admit I never understood what spray transfer was until last week I had a welder at work give me a little tutorial. I promptly ran home and tried it w my Ironman 210 and it seemed to work just fine even w a C25 mix on anything from 1/4" to 1/2". I brought my sample spray transfer welds back to work and the welders felt they looked good w sufficient penetration, altho the 1/2" plate is questionable based solely upon the known limitations of the machine.

Bottom line..........if you want to spray transfer and the Handler won't do it it may still be wise to hold out for a Ironman or MM210. The weight of the Handler 210 makes it such that you're gonna want it in a cart all the time anyway, so "portable" is relative. The biggest advantage is price, but that's certainly an advantage that we can all understand!

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by D60

Altho I gotta admit I never understood what spray transfer was until last week I had a welder at work give me a little tutorial. I promptly ran home and tried it w my Ironman 210 and it seemed to work just fine even w a C25 mix on anything from 1/4" to 1/2". I brought my sample spray transfer welds back to work and the welders felt they looked good w sufficient penetration, altho the 1/2" plate is questionable based solely upon the known limitations of the machine.

Bottom line..........if you want to spray transfer and the Handler won't do it it may still be wise to hold out for a Ironman or MM210. The weight of the Handler 210 makes it such that you're gonna want it in a cart all the time anyway, so "portable" is relative. The biggest advantage is price, but that's certainly an advantage that we can all understand!

Are you sure you sprayed? You need a minimum of 85% Argon to spray, but you were using C25 (75% argon). Also need 26volts minimum to spray.
I don't think the Hobart Ironman is capable of spray transfer. There are guys spraying with Millermatic 210, but they're using 98% argon, 2% oxygen.

If you plan on doing lots of spray transfer, you should move up to a 250 amp class machine (millermatic 200, 251).

[jasonmt]

Originally Posted by D60

Altho I gotta admit I never understood what spray transfer was until last week I had a welder at work give me a little tutorial. I promptly ran home and tried it w my Ironman 210 and it seemed to work just fine even w a C25 mix on anything from 1/4" to 1/2". I brought my sample spray transfer welds back to work and the welders felt they looked good w sufficient penetration, altho the 1/2" plate is questionable based solely upon the known limitations of the machine.

Bottom line..........if you want to spray transfer and the Handler won't do it it may still be wise to hold out for a Ironman or MM210. The weight of the Handler 210 makes it such that you're gonna want it in a cart all the time anyway, so "portable" is relative. The biggest advantage is price, but that's certainly an advantage that we can all understand!

C25+Hardwire+Hobart Ironman 210=Globular Transfer at best. If you had said you were running 0.023 or 0.030 70 series hardwire and Argon - 5-10%CO2 - 1-3%02 or Argon - 2%O2 for a shielding gas I could accept it as feasible.

As already said if the limited usefulness, both in applications and positions of non pulsed hardwire spray transfer is a desired feature a Ironman 210 would not even make the list let alone top it. Even with a Miller 210 the ability to spray should be considered a extra no cost bonus at best but not a intended function of its design.

Even though the Miller 210 (212 now) shares the 210 designation with the two Hobart's they are really in 2 or 3 different classes, the Ironman is impaired by its lack of top end in both duty cycle and voltage:

Ironman 210:



Miller 210:

[SeaBass44]

Originally Posted by guidolyons

~$850 seems to be the going rate. Just ordered MM210 from cyberweld for $851 (basically same price as brwelding only $1 more) I was looking at the toolking refurb HH187, but decided the 7 heat taps and 30 more amp made the HH210 worth the extra $300. Didn't order the spool gun, but nice to have the option.

THE 187 HAS 7 TAPS TOO

[guidolyons]

Originally Posted by SeaBass44

THE 187 HAS 7 TAPS TOO

You're just jealous

Actually, Seabass if it weren't for your HH187 thread, I wouldn't have considered the HH187 or stumbled across the HH210. Thanks fawker

I really really wanted to get a Miller 210 (or MM212), but funds didn't allow...so I think I made a good compromise, I know the duty cycle of the HH210 and IronMan210 don't compare to the Miller 210 (MM212) but I'm not welding all day long, 7 days a week, either.

[SeaBass44]

Originally Posted by guidolyons

You're just jealous

Actually, Seabass if it weren't for your HH187 thread, I wouldn't have considered the HH187 or stumbled across the HH210. Thanks fawker

you owe me!
come to my website and buy something, you won't regret it

if I used mine more I would have got the 210

guys on the Hobart board say it's better then the iron-man 210

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by SeaBass44

THE 187 HAS 7 TAPS TOO

7 position voltage taps is nice, but I have 12..

[hibrid]

Originally Posted by fj40charles

Are you sure you sprayed? You need a minimum of 85% Argon to spray, but you were using C25 (75% argon). Also need 26volts minimum to spray.
I don't think the Hobart Ironman is capable of spray transfer. There are guys spraying with Millermatic 210, but they're using 98% argon, 2% oxygen.

If you plan on doing lots of spray transfer, you should move up to a 250 amp class machine (millermatic 200, 251).

fj40charles--- You happen to know of spray welding ability with the HH210? I will have a tank of C25 mix and a tank of 100% argon for alum. and was wondering if this setup would work?

[Diluted]

Voltage tap what??

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by hibrid

fj40charles--- You happen to know of spray welding ability with the HH210? I will have a tank of C25 mix and a tank of 100% argon for alum. and was wondering if this setup would work?

Please read this threads. Spray transfer may be very limited with the Ironman 210 since it doesn't put out enough voltage on tap #6.

http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...nman+210+spray

http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...nman+210+spray

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by Diluted

Voltage tap what??

Many people, including myself, prefer voltage taps vs. infinite voltage for mig welders.

It all comes down to personal preference, but for most people, a tapped machine will be easier to dial in since you only have to deal with wire speed to dial in the weld.

I like the infinite voltage on my Miller Syncrowave 250 tig welder....

[CJHeap]

[QUOTE=Diluted;7136503]Voltage tap what??

That is what I was wondering





It is not hard to dial in on mine, no different than a tap since you just set the voltage and then dial in the speed.

BTW, I looked at the HH210 side by side with the HH187 and it is in the same case. Differences were voltage, overload indicator and a front panel spool gun plug. They put in the same thermal self resetting breaker as the MM!&% has also. Neat machine but I would probably go ahead and get a 250 amp machine like the MM250 or MM200 since if you look around you can find one for around the same price.

[kwrangln]

I've got a HH180 in the shop at home, and have a HH210 on order for the shop at work. Once it comes in and I get it setup I'll do a review. For my needs at work it fits the bill nicely. Work needs made it a bit of a bitch picking out a new welder setup.

Work on a 75' tugboat with 100'work barge.
Need Al capability since superstructure of tug is AL.
Need portability, not just rolling it around, but getting up and down steep ladders.
Didn't want extra interface boxes for the spoolgun setup (just more shit to carry around).

My quotes were for a 180 Millermatic (1800 with spoolgun and interface), 180 Lincoln (1200 with spoolgun, doesn't need interface), and the HH210 (1245 with spoolgun, doesn't need interface). A bit more capacity and I dont really care for Lincoln, and my mind was made up. Now I just hope it works out, I love my lil 180, so expectations are high for this thing.

[SeaBass44]

Originally Posted by kwrangln

I've got a HH180 in the shop at home, and have a HH210 on order for the shop at work. Once it comes in and I get it setup I'll do a review. For my needs at work it fits the bill nicely. Work needs made it a bit of a bitch picking out a new welder setup.

Work on a 75' tugboat with 100'work barge.
Need Al capability since superstructure of tug is AL.
Need portability, not just rolling it around, but getting up and down steep ladders.
Didn't want extra interface boxes for the spoolgun setup (just more shit to carry around).

My quotes were for a 180 Millermatic (1800 with spoolgun and interface), 180 Lincoln (1200 with spoolgun, doesn't need interface), and the HH210 (1245 with spoolgun, doesn't need interface). A bit more capacity and I dont really care for Lincoln, and my mind was made up. Now I just hope it works out, I love my lil 180, so expectations are high for this thing.

the link hasd 3 versions of the 180 + the 175 , what were you looking at??????


+ the crappy ones they build overseas for lowers with aluminum winding home depot might have same crap too

175HD seen these as low as $399
Pro MIG 180 $499
180T$647
180C$787
the 180c link is $787
I nearly bought this 180C my welding buddy says the newest links are sweet machines


miller 180 or 185 same area around $800

, the link 185 C is a badass machine and the spool gun for the link is only $160!, the hobarts are almost $500

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lincoln-Magnum-1...QQcmdZViewItem

link has a 180hd, 180f and 180C

[kwrangln]

I was looking at the Lincoln 180C, with the spoolgun. Spoolgun price was the big saver for that setup, but I'm a bit jaded when it comes to Lincoln stuff. Had a bad time with a 250sp, tried troubleshooting for ages, had 2 tech reps checking things out, never did get it to what I would call 100%. Replaced it with a Miller 251 and never had a lick o trouble. That was the old shop tho, different needs than the new one.

Hobart is already ordered, so we'll see how it works, like I said, expectations are high.

BTW, I dont have a production shop, mostly general fab and repair to keep the ole boat running so I dont need to run the machine balls out 12 hours a day to put food on the table.

[SeaBass44]

Originally Posted by kwrangln

I was looking at the Lincoln 180C, with the spoolgun. Spoolgun price was the big saver for that setup, but I'm a bit jaded when it comes to Lincoln stuff. Had a bad time with a 250sp, tried troubleshooting for ages, had 2 tech reps checking things out, never did get it to what I would call 100%. Replaced it with a Miller 251 and never had a lick o trouble. That was the old shop tho, different needs than the new one.

Hobart is already ordered, so we'll see how it works, like I said, expectations are high.

BTW, I dont have a production shop, mostly general fab and repair to keep the ole boat running so I dont need to run the machine balls out 12 hours a day to put food on the table.

you should be more then happy.
did you buy the spool gun?
I'm interested to see how it does on aluminum.
I have never needed it, but I guess I could build some sweet aluminum boxs/wedges and what not for my panels if I could weld aluminum, guess I could make them out of steel too though, ,lol

[bigdude]

Tractor Supply by me has the Hobart Ironman 210 for $1049 Plus you can take it right back to the store if you have problems. That's where I got mine 2 years ago..... Looks like $1079 is quoted online for my zipcode, I must have seen a store special.

[Diluted]

Yeah, I used an OLD crafstman 120 mig for years, it was a voltage tap and I loved it, all tweco components, I actually miss it for doing smaller material, but I was practiacally given a squarewav 175 and I use it for most any smaller material.

I will, one day be able to afford a synchrowave 250 but for now, I will love the squarewave.

Originally Posted by fj40charles

Many people, including myself, prefer voltage taps vs. infinite voltage for mig welders.

It all comes down to personal preference, but for most people, a tapped machine will be easier to dial in since you only have to deal with wire speed to dial in the weld.

I like the infinite voltage on my Miller Syncrowave 250 tig welder....

[SeaBass44]

Originally Posted by bigdude

Tractor Supply by me has the Hobart Ironman 210 for $1049 Plus you can take it right back to the store if you have problems. That's where I got mine 2 years ago..... Looks like $1079 is quoted online for my zipcode, I must have seen a store special.

you might have the china made for home center welder with aluminum winding like link does for lowes