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Old 01-29-2008, 06:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Oil Eaters vs. Mineral Spirits in Parts washer?

I have read all the threads on what everyone uses for solvents in their parts washers and it seems that oil eaters and mineral spirits both are fairly highly rated ( I am not even going to touch those people that use a form of fuel, i.e. diesel, gasoline, etc. )
What would y'all pick between the two and why?

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Old 01-29-2008, 07:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Joe - Please tell me why I'm so wrong to use Kerosine in my parts washer.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i use diesel in the parts washer. best damn cleaner i have used, and its safe. I some times use jet A or kerosene if i have some. but diesel cleans the best.
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Of the two I would choose mineral spirits. I have used both and the problem with the microbes is that they are easy to kill and smell really bad when they do. Also, the ones I have used did not work as well as plain old mineral spirits.

The sidebar to this is that none of the oil eaters I used where mine so I do not know if they where properly cared for.

Diesel fuel or any of it's variants work fine and are pplenty safe unless you are actively trying to ignite it or are outright to stupid to live.

Of course that said I won't use them because some of my employees fill both those descriptions...
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I guess I should qualify the statement about using a fuel.....gasoline is a big no-no.... the reason for nixing the other fuels is the odor. Trying to wash out the smell and have it in the washer could banish me to the garage permanently!
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I've been using diesel fuel for almost 30 years. When I smoked, I smoked over the parts washer-not so sure I'd wanna do that with mineral spirits.

When the diesel gets spent, I filter it and use it as fuel for my old Land Rover (yes, it's a gasoline engine, but runs fine on diesel fuel).
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Our shop was strong-armed by the FAA into going "green" with our solvents , stick with K1 or #2 .


http://http://www.oxarc.com/desc.ydev?prod_id=13940

Linky sucks but it was for a brand of bio-friendly degreaser called Ozzy Juice.
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Our shop was strong-armed by the FAA into going "green" with our solvents , stick with K1 or #2 .
Since when does the FAA have such authority? Both USEPA and USOSHA allow for solvent degreasing as long as lids are closed, parts are drained and compressed air is not used for drying.

Evaporation, employee exposure, and disposal of spent solvent are the big issues as far as regulations are concerned.

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Our shop was strong-armed by the FAA into going "green" with our solvents , stick with K1 or #2 .


http://http://www.oxarc.com/desc.ydev?prod_id=13940

Linky sucks but it was for a brand of bio-friendly degreaser called Ozzy Juice.
Ok, what are K1 and #2?? (Pulling out my "blonde" card on this one )
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Ok, what are K1 and #2?? (Pulling out my "blonde" card on this one )
K1 is kerosene #1 or diesel fuel and K2 is kerosene #2 and is what every body knows as 'kerosene'.
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Since when does the FAA have such authority?
If you are a small FBO and the inspector want sit has the authority; or you simple are unable to do business.
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If you are a small FBO and the inspector want sit has the authority; or you simple are unable to do business.
You don't want to know what we were using in the vapor degreaser when I was doing my A&P apprenticeship! Let's just say the guy I was working for was old school!
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Our shop was strong-armed by the FAA into going "green" with our solvents , stick with K1 or #2 .


http://http://www.oxarc.com/desc.ydev?prod_id=13940

Linky sucks but it was for a brand of bio-friendly degreaser called Ozzy Juice.
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You don't want to know what we were using in the vapor degreaser when I was doing my A&P apprenticeship! Let's just say the guy I was working for was old school!
I am gonna say MEK.
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Vapor degreaser...christ how old are you ?!?..... OSHA made us remove them from our shop years back. We used Toluene in ours...bad stuff.


I might have misspoke about being forced to remove petroleum solvents by the FAA, our plant chose to remove them in-order to receive a "green friendly" rating in the FAA repair shop registry.

We did the whole eco-sensitive route...light reflective floors, 100% waste water monitoring and wi-fi inspection documentation which considerably reduces paper use.
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Vapor degreaser...christ how old are you ?!?..... OSHA made us remove them from our shop years back. We used Toluene in ours...bad stuff.
I'm 45, the guy I was working with is now 77, he invented the fuel sampling port on high wing aircraft (when he was 16, no less). Passed his PE over Christmas break of his sophomore year of college and never went back to school. Got his A&P when he was 17.

It was a toluene/MEK blend. With just the two of us working in the shop, OSHA wasn't a big concern and spent solvent was used to light the burn barrel. We also had a degreaser filled with cresol!

He's become a great friend, but he was a horrible employer. That said, I learned a lot from him and damned near got my pilots license while I was working for him. If I hadn't developed kidney disease and lost my medical, I'd have gotten the ticket test flying airplanes I'd rebuilt the engines on.

If you think the chemicals I worked with were bad, I'm also old enough to have been exposed to all manner of methyl ethyl death while getting my chemistry degree!

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...but man them vapor cleaners would flat-out do the job!

One of our retired parts cleaning guys has developed a neurological disorder that closely resembles the advanced stages of Parkinson's disease , 100% blamed on 40 years of breathing boiling MEK/Tol fumes.
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the water soluable degreasers and mineral spirits both eat up my skin if I get any on me.
A year ago I started using biodiesel for solvent in my parts washer. It works good but it is just a bit slower than mineral spirits for heavy buildups. The biodiesel is biodegradable safe enough to drink or so i'm told.
I use biodiesel that I made that didn't quite meet the grade on my quality testing, rather than reprocess it I just throw it in my parts washer when I need to replentish, It costs me less than $1.00/ gallon to make. And it doesn't have that nasty fuel smell.
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the water soluable degreasers and mineral spirits both eat up my skin if I get any on me.
A year ago I started using biodiesel for solvent in my parts washer. It works good but it is just a bit slower than mineral spirits for heavy buildups. The biodiesel is biodegradable safe enough to drink or so i'm told.
I use biodiesel that I made that didn't quite meet the grade on my quality testing, rather than reprocess it I just throw it in my parts washer when I need to replentish, It costs me less than $1.00/ gallon to make. And it doesn't have that nasty fuel smell.
I was just going to recommend Biodiesel. I work at a Biodiesel plant and I know first hand that it is a good solvent. It is safe to get on your skin (not carsenagenic). When we opened, the news did a story and the reporter stuck his finger in it and licked it off. It does melt rubber and cheap shoes don't last long. It even softens the nitrile coated gloves we get.

As azhayseed mentioned, you can make it yourself, and for $1.00 a gallon, I imagine he must be using free waste veggie oil to do so, a new gallon of veggie or whatever you want costs more than $1.00/gallon, the stuff we use as feed stock is $2.50/gallon, and we buy 3 million gallons at a time.

I do have to argue about the biodegradability though. Yes, it does break down, however one would need to be conscious about where it is disposed of. We have to be careful not to get it into the storm water. As it breaks down, it uses oxygen, which means the fish can't breath. Also, once you clean any petroleum grime from your parts, it's now no longer biodegradable. You could always filter it and dump it into a kerosene or waste oil heater though.
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So it looks like it is a toss up for either low odor/odorless mineral spirits or oil eaters..... I think mineral spirits would be cheaper.....
Any residue after mineral spirits?
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My buddy uses a Zep cleaner, with a high flash point. It lasts him for years and years at a time. When I get a washer, it's what I'll probably use too.

http://www.zep.com/products/products.aspx

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We have oil-eaters in our shop. We had the ozzy juice one and now have one that supplied to us by safety clean. Everyone in our shop hates it. It takes forever to get something real dirty clean. I have a drain pan full of diesel I use for cleaning now.
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We have oil-eaters in our shop. We had the ozzy juice one and now have one that supplied to us by safety clean. Everyone in our shop hates it. It takes forever to get something real dirty clean. I have a drain pan full of diesel I use for cleaning now.
So do you use the oil-eaters or the diesel more?
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I use the oil eater for anything thats not really dirty. Diesel for anything real dirty. I probly use the oil eaters more often but it doesnt work near as good, its just quicker for little stuff.
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My buddy uses a Zep cleaner, with a high flash point. It lasts him for years and years at a time. When I get a washer, it's what I'll probably use too.

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