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Old 12-29-2008, 10:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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miller 185 or 212?

i know i want a miller, the 185 says it will handle all i want, but a part of me thinks overkill is good. the 212 is twice the price, any reason to get it? is the 185 plenty for tubing and jeep fab?
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Old 12-29-2008, 10:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I bought a 212 about a month ago and love it. Before I got by with a 110 lincoln and it never failed for anything I welded, so I figured I would never need a 212, but with this kind of investment I wanted to have a big enough machine "in case" Sure enough I was burning through 1/2" plate on the second to highest setting on the machine Get the 212, I paid 1475 new at my local welding shop. You will not be dissapointed!
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I have a 175 (basically the same as today's 185). when I bought it something bigger wasn't in the budget, but I have found myself wanting more welder more than once recently. I rarely need to weld materials thick enough that I need to bevel and do multiple passes with this machine, but I have run into the duty cycle plenty. Also, the arc on the bigger machines is more stable, and they're capable of spray transfer welding, which the smaller machines cannnot do.

So yeah, go for the bigger machine. As a matter of fact, get a 252 if you can swing it.
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i am pretty sure my wife would kick my A$$ if i spent over 2k on the 252. ill be doing good to get the 212. thanks for the tip on the more stable arc, nver thought about that, i knew the duty cycle would be iffy.
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Some welding shops may be willing to match internet pricing if your willing to buy other things from them. I was able to swing 1900 for the 252 thru a shop but I made sure to buy a bottle, wire, jacket, and welding blanket from them.
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I have the miller 210 .... I feel it is the perfect welder for the garage/shop... It has just the right power to do all the jobs I throw at it. I would not like anything less... I do love my welder
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I am in the same boat here. I am leaning towards the miller 180 though. I just cannot swing double the money on the 212 when I am in college. I have welded with the 180 MANY times and have never run into duty cycle issues and the machine welded identical to the miller 250X we have at work. IMHO I think the 180 is perfect for the garage guy. You will have no problems welding to axles and such. Personally I am going with the 180 because the price is perfect and the quality is great.

Then again if I had the extra dough, I would go bigger.

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Old 12-30-2008, 06:47 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I have a Lincoln 175 (which I believe is "comparable" to the Miller 185) and then purchased a 212 as I was doing more work and wanted something bigger. Now that I have the 212 I really don't know that I will ever use the 175 again, maybe for real light duty sheet metal work, but it has been collecting dust for the past 12 months. Spend the extra coin and get the 212, I know it is double the cost but it is 10x the machine
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I have a Lincoln 175 (which I believe is "comparable" to the Miller 185) and then purchased a 212 as I was doing more work and wanted something bigger. Now that I have the 212 I really don't know that I will ever use the 175 again, maybe for real light duty sheet metal work, but it has been collecting dust for the past 12 months. Spend the extra coin and get the 212, I know it is double the cost but it is 10x the machine


Isn't the Lincoln 175 a little red suitcase? If so its doesn't compare with the Miller 185. Not even close to the same machine..
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Isn't the Lincoln 175 a little red suitcase? If so its doesn't compare with the Miller 185. Not even close to the same machine..
No, it is a 220 amp about the same in dimension size to the 185. I think you are thinking of the 135. The 175 is rated for 3/8 however duty cycle had it struggling for .120 for any period of time. Great for sheet metal but not for tube work imo.
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I have a miller 210 and love it, ive welded all kinds of stuff and did some big jobs.
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i know i want a miller, the 185 says it will handle all i want, but a part of me thinks overkill is good. the 212 is twice the price, any reason to get it? is the 185 plenty for tubing and jeep fab?
Are you comparing the Millermatic 185 with the Millermatic 212?

MM 185 is nearly a full size welder. Millermatic 180 is a smaller sized with less amperage than the Millermatic 185.
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http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...c_180_autoset/

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http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...llermatic_212/
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If you're not in a hurry, keep an eye on CL/ebay for a used one close buy. I just picked up a 251 with bottle for a friend today for $900, bought one for myself a few weeks ago for $1100.

I've never used the newer 180, but I've used a 175 and it was a POS compared to the 210/251's. There is more to the bigger welders than just a higher duty cycle. They have bigger running gear, bigger/longer guns, hold bigger (cheaper buy the lb) spools of wire.

There is also talk of a miller 211 that is miller's answer to the hobart handler 210

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ighlight=mm211
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thanks for all the replies, ill hold out for a 212, maybe a 252 if i can find one.

are there any older models that might show up on CL that i should look at too? i want to stick with miller, but i know some of the previous models should be somewhat comparable to the newer ones. i have 220 single phase. so i cant get a 3 phase welder.
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thanks for all the replies, ill hold out for a 212, maybe a 252 if i can find one.

are there any older models that might show up on CL that i should look at too? i want to stick with miller, but i know some of the previous models should be somewhat comparable to the newer ones. i have 220 single phase. so i cant get a 3 phase welder.
212 replaced the 210. 252 replaced the 251 which replaced the 250x/250. Alot of people don't like the 250 and really don't like the 250x.

You can see all the models here, and download the manual.

http://www.millerwelds.com/service/ownersmanuals.php

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I have the miller 210 .... I feel it is the perfect welder for the garage/shop... It has just the right power to do all the jobs I throw at it. I would not like anything less... I do love my welder


X 2. Sure, go bigger if you can afford it; but I wouldn't go any smaller. Personally, I am very happy with my 210.
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Old 12-31-2008, 07:20 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I've got a MM175 -- I love it and and as slow as I fab I have only hit the duty cycle 2-3 times over the last 3 years. It put my lil' 110V welder out of business in a hurry - I sold it a week after I got the 175.

And I have yet to build/weld/fix anything that needed more power than the 175 could lay down, sure I might need 2 passes once in a while but not too often.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:17 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I got a mm 185 and my buddy has a mm210 and the 210 seems to weld better arc more stable i think.

If you dont want to spend money on a new one keep your eyes open for a used one i got mine for 450 bucks hardly used
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:59 PM   #20 (permalink)
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You should keep your eye out for a miller 200. There was one on ebay that went for just over $500 and it is a 250 amp machine. I almost bought it, but Christmas was a little more important.
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damn i would love to get a good machine for 500 bucks, that would mean a plasma that much faster.
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I have a miller 175. Its been a nice machine. I bought it about 8 years ago. They were on sale then for around $650 with a cart. At the same time they were selling the miller 210 for $1050 and were including a free spool gun. I couldn't really afford the 210 then but have regretted not doing it anyway ever since.
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Old 01-01-2009, 12:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Depending where you live in the country Miller has recon units that we service and they go back to there whare house to be sold like that.

Ask your local Miller dealer if any are to be had in your area. It is hit and miss as to what is on hand at any given time. Can`t hurt to ask.

If they are clueless the Miller area rep can set them straight.

People can be so careless with forks these days.

In any case unless you just do light work bigger is better in welders.
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