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Old 12-17-2009, 07:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Garage heat ideas on the cheap...

I'm sick of breathing kerosene fumes and watching all my tools rust so I'm looking for a better way to heat the garage. I have essentially NO budget to work with so I've got to get creative.

One idea is to connect my 55k btu kerosene heater to some duct or pipe across the ceiling and use it as an infrared heater. It would be vented outside to do away with the smell and moisture. I figure I could play with the length of the duct to get as much heat out of the exhaust as possible and have it relatively cool leaving the shop. I'm kinda leaning toward this option because of the benefits of infrared over forced air, especially in an uninsulated garage.

I also have an OLD 75k btu unit heater but don't have the cash for the 80 feet of gas line to hook it up and a new gas valve. The bottom of the heat exchanger is open so I thought about making a plenum to hook the kerosene heater up to it in place of the gas burners and using the unit heater fan to circulate the heat. Again, venting it outside like it would normally be used.


Also... I've got about 30 gallons of waste oil piled up in the corner. Has anyone tried to thin it out with kerosene and run it through a torpedo heater? I figure it would end up coking up the heater or plugging the nozzle, but maybe someone has gotten it to work?


Anyway, am I stupid or just crazy?
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well the fact you are trying to heat an uninsulated garage in Northern New York with no budget is a bad start right there .

I must say with me it is putting in the insulation first before even thinking about a heat source .

As far as trying to use waste oil in a space heater you would just be wasting good kero.

I would say try going with a wood stove and scrounging junk pallets from local companies

Good luck in any case.
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How big is the garage? Get it insulated. Im my garage ive got a 220v electric baseboard heater that is around 8 feet long, it will get the temps to 70ish when outside it is in 20s.
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mix the oil and kerosene together, pour on walls of shop, use cutting torch to ignite. Your shop will be very warm and its cheap.
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mix the oil and kerosene together, pour on walls of shop, use cutting torch to ignite. Your shop will be very warm and its cheap.
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I'm sick of breathing kerosene fumes and watching all my tools rust so I'm looking for a better way to heat the garage. I have essentially NO budget to work with so I've got to get creative.
I was using the same kind of heater. Apart from the fumes, the heater was loud as fawk.

I spent the bucks and got a 40 000 BTU propane infrared heater. It cost $100.

5 gallons of Kerosene in my 40000 BTU torpedo would last about 12 hours.

A 20 lbs propane tank with the 40000 BTU infrared lasts about that long, but it sure heats the place faster. I turn it off 1/3 of the time, whereas with the torpedo, it was on all the time. So I get more real "heat time" for about the same fuel cost.

I eventually got a tank top propane heater that is selectable 8K, 10K or 12K BTU. So I heat up the shop for a half hour with the big sucker, turn it off, and turn on the smaller one. At the 8K setting, it lasts about 40 hours+ on a single 20 pounder of propane.

Saved enough in fuel in one winter to pay for both the propane heaters. Something to consider whenever you can scrape up a couple of hundred bucks. It'll pay for itself next winter.

You sure as ship need to insulate, though. You're blowing lots of bucks on fuel for nothing.

Get onto your local freecycle site, people are always giving away left over construction material. That's where I got 3/4 of the insulation for my garage.

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I use a couple of those "heat zone" heat lamps they sell at home depot. If you look hard enough they can be had on ebay or craigs for around $50. I have two, but my garage only needs one, even with the little door open. Granted it doesn't ever get much below 20 here at the worst.

I haven't seen a drastic increase in electricity like I thought I would either. I would give that a try. Best part is... no fumes, and they are silent!
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I mix used oil with diesel fuel and burn it every day in my 115K btu salamander and have been for a couple years.

With diesel prices, it's almost a better deal to go propane.

I hope to have a propane furnace going before the first of the year. if nothing else, to supplement the diesel and to give me an option for fuel.
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what is your desired temp and what is the heat up time? I'm in the same climate and use a wood stove to heat an uninsulated 24'x32' space. This morning it is 7*F. Morning temp is ~20* and within an hour I hour I can get the temp up to 50-60*. After 2 hours it is 70 or 80* and Iím working in a t shirt in the middle of winter.

Now, a idea Iíve been playing with is running some passive geothermal heating. Dig a trench ~10í deep and lay some metal pipe in. Then pump a water/antifreeze mix through the system and have a radiator and fan in the garage. Theoretically, this should keep the garage at ~55* 24/7 and only required electricity.
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Cheap or free forced hot air trailer furnace. Nearly instant heat and the fuel oil/kerosene smell should be eliminated. Run a plenum with a flexible insulated duct that you can heat your work area.

(Virginia resident, Canton/Potsdam NY naitive: that is the setup I ran in my uninsulated northern NY garage).
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Big free oil furnace - Worked for me for a few years... Craigslist is your friend, or make friends with an HVAC installer, they usually have plenty of shady take-outs that would be fine for occasional use, but the only way to keep it heated for the whole winter is really to insulate it. My new shop is R40 roof and R22 wall and you could heat it with a candle, it's awesome.
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Old 12-18-2009, 11:58 AM   #13 (permalink)
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You could build a Babington Burner.
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I have a woodstove. You can find them and pipe cheap on CL. I burn pine and you can commonly find people on CL that will all but pay to have it taken away. Finding free wood is never a problem, just have to think ahead 9 months. Burning pine, the garage comes up to temp very fast and the fire goes out quick when I'm done. If you're considering this route check with your insurance company first. Mine was fine with it but I have heard many horror stories.
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I used a old hot water heater core, and made a waste oil furnace. It works great, and I have a way to dispose of the waste oil. It actually pays to change my oil more often. It only cost me about 30 bucks.
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Insulating the garage is on the to-do list but it just isn't in the budget right now. I really can't justify it because I only get time to play in the garage a few days a month, and even that's on the high side. I usually only burn about 5 gallons of kerosene a month, if that, so it's cheaper right now for me to spend the money on heat for those few days than it is to do the insulation. With temporary lay offs at work the cash for this project is pretty much non existant. Garage time helps me keep my sanity though so I'm dying to get something worked out.

It's a 22x34 garage attached to the house with a breezeway. I sheetrocked the house side with 5/8" as a fire break, which also happens to be the west wall so that helped cut down on the heat loss a little bit. I'm going to sheet the rest of the roof/walls with plastic to at least create a bit of an air barrier against the outside walls.

Unfortunately local zoning doesn't allow for wood heat in an attached garage, which sucks because my dad was going to give me his old pot belly stove that would have been PERFECT. I thought about the MEN heater but don't have the floor space for it and technically I think it falls under the list of prohibited heaters because you can't just turn it off like you can with gas or kerosene. They require a heat source that can be turned off with a switch in case there's a problem. Maybe an onboard fire retardant system built into the wood stove would qualify??

I like the infrared heaters because they heat everything in the shop instead of heating the air first so it "feels" warmer faster. So my thought was to plumb the salamander into a length of duct and make my own infrared tube heater. I looked at the Babington heaters and thought about doing the same thing with one of those. I just don't know if I can scrounge all the parts cheap enough right now. That might be a goal for next winter along with insulation. I've been sitting on the oil for a few years so what's one more?

So anyway, any input on the salamander idea?

PT, what kinda ratio do you mix the diesel/oil?

Thanks for the feedback guys!
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So anyway, any input on the salamander idea?

PT, what kinda ratio do you mix the diesel/oil?

Thanks for the feedback guys!
I run about 20% used oil, but my salamander is set up to run just about anything that burns. YMMV. Also, it was free and I've had it at least five years, 115K BTU Baby!
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If you can vent to outside all you need is two 55 gallon drums. Make a woodstove.

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For what you are describing I would go with a kerosene convection heater, turn it on for a couple of hours before working and it should at least be tolerable.
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(Virginia resident, Canton/Potsdam NY naitive: that is the setup I ran in my uninsulated northern NY garage).
ahh no way! I graduated from st lawrence this year...the north country gets a little colder than virginia I bet.

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I run about 20% used oil, but my salamander is set up to run just about anything that burns. YMMV. Also, it was free and I've had it at least five years, 115K BTU Baby!

Ok cool. Mine will burn the long list of fuels too, I just wasn't sure if the motor oil would coke up the insides and cause issues. I'll mix up a little this weekend and see how it works.
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I used a old hot water heater core, and made a waste oil furnace. It works great, and I have a way to dispose of the waste oil. It actually pays to change my oil more often. It only cost me about 30 bucks.
how does that work?
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Ok cool. Mine will burn the long list of fuels too, I just wasn't sure if the motor oil would coke up the insides and cause issues. I'll mix up a little this weekend and see how it works.
I have a NAPA 4104 filter between the tank and the burner to ensure that nothing that might be in the oil causes problems. You might want to tweak the pressures to peak heat with oil.
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Check it out, maybe next summer's project (if you haven't seen it yet):

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Check it out, maybe next summer's project (if you haven't seen it yet):

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Yeah I've been following that thread, tons of good info there. It's a definite possibility when cash flow opens up again.
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