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onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:11 PM

I have stolen info here now for 5 years, about time I post something up. I am almost complete with building two barns on my property. One is really a garage that looks like a barn. The other houses the toys. I have a complete build thread at garage journal if anyone wants more detail, but I thought I would post it up here.

The basic structure was built by Geobarns. They make a modified post and beam structure and use a diagonal frame for added strength. It really is something to see.
I'll separate posts by building.
The garage: It took 12 days to build with a 3 person crew from Geobarns and me as stupid labor. Once they left, I finished (almost done) the upstairs with shiplap siding.

(That's me, proving I actually do something once in awhile.)

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:13 PM

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:16 PM

This was the waste pile for the initial construction

I generated the same amount again finishing the upstairs. Which I now realize I don't have pictures of the finished project.
Everything is built onsite, the rafters, man doors, etc.
Amazing to watch and suprisingly affordable.

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:20 PM

So I have a couple of non-daily-drivers that need a house to.

So of course, I needed more space.

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:22 PM

The space needs doors... built on site

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:23 PM

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 02:25 PM

And some of the toys happily residing in their new home:

And a happy owner:

willysrule · 02-09-2011, 02:33 PM

very nice builds.

Are you from Tionesta, or do you just have a fire truck from there?

Very nice area up that way, I have family that have camps around there and Cook Forest.

onemoretry · 02-09-2011, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willysrule

very nice builds.

Are you from Tionesta, or do you just have a fire truck from there?

Very nice area up that way, I have family that have camps around there and Cook Forest.

I grew up there and have had occasion to wax that truck when I was younger.
I moved to Maryland awhile ago... It was entertaining driving the truck down. It took 7 hours with a max speed of 55 mph.

D60 · 02-09-2011, 03:33 PM

Someone's gotta say it:

the framing needs more triangulation

Soule88 · 02-09-2011, 04:54 PM

That looks amazing! Now whats the reason for all the angles as compaired to traditional vertical studs? It looks great either way, you do beautiful work.

Dustball · 02-09-2011, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soule88

That looks amazing! Now whats the reason for all the angles as compaired to traditional vertical studs? It looks great either way, you do beautiful work.

My guess is a) aesthetics and b) wind shear resistance.

zuking101 · 02-09-2011, 06:23 PM

Dayum the guy that did trusses is truely a artist......

Soule88 · 02-09-2011, 06:51 PM

Dont get me wrong, Its fucking beautiful to look at, just didnt know if there was a specific advantage to doing it that way. I have a hard enough keeping traditional stuff square. Your an artist my friend.

billybob_81067 · 02-09-2011, 07:07 PM

Absolutely beautiful!

Not much of a wood worker myself, but I've done enough with it that I know that had to be a hell of an undertaking! Our steel shop might be just as sturdy, but its no where even close to that awesome looking!

ChiScouter · 02-09-2011, 07:23 PM

I can see where you saved a bunch of money by not sheeting the roof with plywood. Ive never done a tin roof so I don't know it that is the standard way for tin roofs but I wouldn't question the way its done. I can't figure out all the 45 degree angle stuff. The sheeting should provide the strength against wind loads, it just looks like a style excercise to me but if its in a cold climate I would expect the interior to be closed up. Hanging stuff on the walls would be a nightmare.

The OP said surprisingly affordable, How did the cost compare to a regular sticked frame building, pole barn, or metal building? Why did you go with the unusual framing? What are you going to do in the attics?

PAToyota · 02-09-2011, 07:44 PM

Very nice! Followed the builds over on GJ.

PONY_DRIVER · 02-09-2011, 08:01 PM

Awesome barns, I love the doors.

onemoretry · 02-10-2011, 06:08 AM

The diagonals add strength and remove the need for sheething completely reducing the cost and waste.
Thanks for the kinds words, I fully expected a bit of bashing...

onemoretry · 02-10-2011, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiScouter

I can see where you saved a bunch of money by not sheeting the roof with plywood. Ive never done a tin roof so I don't know it that is the standard way for tin roofs but I wouldn't question the way its done. I can't figure out all the 45 degree angle stuff. The sheeting should provide the strength against wind loads, it just looks like a style excercise to me but if its in a cold climate I would expect the interior to be closed up. Hanging stuff on the walls would be a nightmare.

The OP said surprisingly affordable, How did the cost compare to a regular sticked frame building, pole barn, or metal building? Why did you go with the unusual framing? What are you going to do in the attics?

The cost of labor for the diagonal cuts was much less than the cost for sheeting and it is about 45% stronger than traditional stick built. The builder does all of his work with diagonals and frankly it really didn't add any time to his build. The electrical guys were a little leery at first, but after the first day it wasn't a problem and didn't add any cost relative to stick built. I was quoted $90/foot traditional stick built vinyl siding finished, and $25/foot for these buildings unfinished. I am doing the finishing with ship lap so it is much better than what I would have gotten with stick and much cheaper. Also, I have a full upstairs and an attic. The upstairs in the garage will be storage and game room. The barn upstairs will be the wood shop. You can see how the upstairs is done in a couple of the pics above. The cupola in the barn is 6X9 and has two benches for relaxing and looking at the great view. I don't know what I am going to do with the attics...
There are a lot more pictures and description at Garage Journal if you are so inclined.

smokinthehippies · 02-10-2011, 08:51 AM

link to the garage journal thread?

demonranger · 02-10-2011, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokinthehippies

link to the garage journal thread?

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23941

and

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28038

onemoretry · 02-10-2011, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonranger

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23941

and

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28038

Thanks, guess I'm too slow.

JonsYJjeep · 02-10-2011, 09:42 AM

Nice looking barns..

jstandle · 02-10-2011, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiScouter

I can see where you saved a bunch of money by not sheeting the roof with plywood. Ive never done a tin roof so I don't know it that is the standard way for tin roofs but I wouldn't question the way its done.

In our area if you don't sheet it and put in a vapor barrier under the tin it will condensate but I'm sure they addressed that with this design?

02-09-2011, 02:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50	Two barns - build thread I have stolen info here now for 5 years, about time I post something up. I am almost complete with building two barns on my property. One is really a garage that looks like a barn. The other houses the toys. I have a complete build thread at garage journal if anyone wants more detail, but I thought I would post it up here. The basic structure was built by Geobarns. They make a modified post and beam structure and use a diagonal frame for added strength. It really is something to see. I'll separate posts by building. The garage: It took 12 days to build with a 3 person crew from Geobarns and me as stupid labor. Once they left, I finished (almost done) the upstairs with shiplap siding. (That's me, proving I actually do something once in awhile.)

02-09-2011, 03:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
D60 Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6398 Location: CO Posts: 3,368	Someone's gotta say it: the framing needs more triangulation __________________ "Take 300 people and on average 290 of them just generally suck at life"

02-09-2011, 07:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
PAToyota Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 37600 Location: South Central Pennsylvania Posts: 6,476	Very nice! Followed the builds over on GJ. __________________ GET INVOLVED - Join the Blue Ribbon Coalition SIGN THE PETITION - SAVETHEHAMMERS - #85 '93 Chevrolet 6.5TD K2500 NV4500 Std. Cab Longbed 170K '85 Toyota 22R RN60 4x4 Std. Cab Shortbed 178K (Currently retired for rebuild)

02-09-2011, 08:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
PONY_DRIVER Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44662 Location: In a house! Posts: 3,986	Awesome barns, I love the doors. __________________ "I'm strangely comfortable with it."

02-10-2011, 09:42 AM	#24 (permalink)
JonsYJjeep Rock God Join Date: May 2005 Member # 47464 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 1,385	Nice looking barns.. __________________ My 7/8 ton YJ build

02-09-2011, 02:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50

02-09-2011, 02:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50	This was the waste pile for the initial construction I generated the same amount again finishing the upstairs. Which I now realize I don't have pictures of the finished project. Everything is built onsite, the rafters, man doors, etc. Amazing to watch and suprisingly affordable.

02-09-2011, 02:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50	So I have a couple of non-daily-drivers that need a house to. So of course, I needed more space.

02-09-2011, 02:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50	The space needs doors... built on site

02-09-2011, 02:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50

02-09-2011, 02:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50	And some of the toys happily residing in their new home: And a happy owner:

02-09-2011, 02:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
willysrule Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Member # 73063 Location: Lowber, PA Posts: 42	very nice builds. Are you from Tionesta, or do you just have a fire truck from there? Very nice area up that way, I have family that have camps around there and Cook Forest.

02-09-2011, 04:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Soule88 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71340 Posts: 99	That looks amazing! Now whats the reason for all the angles as compaired to traditional vertical studs? It looks great either way, you do beautiful work.

02-09-2011, 06:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
zuking101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36646 Location: Backwoods, Ky Posts: 763	Dayum the guy that did trusses is truely a artist......

02-09-2011, 06:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
Soule88 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71340 Posts: 99	Dont get me wrong, Its fucking beautiful to look at, just didnt know if there was a specific advantage to doing it that way. I have a hard enough keeping traditional stuff square. Your an artist my friend.

02-09-2011, 07:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
billybob_81067 Granite Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 52387 Location: Rocky Ford, Colorado Posts: 925	Absolutely beautiful! Not much of a wood worker myself, but I've done enough with it that I know that had to be a hell of an undertaking! Our steel shop might be just as sturdy, but its no where even close to that awesome looking!

02-09-2011, 07:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
ChiScouter Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 9835 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,090	I can see where you saved a bunch of money by not sheeting the roof with plywood. Ive never done a tin roof so I don't know it that is the standard way for tin roofs but I wouldn't question the way its done. I can't figure out all the 45 degree angle stuff. The sheeting should provide the strength against wind loads, it just looks like a style excercise to me but if its in a cold climate I would expect the interior to be closed up. Hanging stuff on the walls would be a nightmare. The OP said surprisingly affordable, How did the cost compare to a regular sticked frame building, pole barn, or metal building? Why did you go with the unusual framing? What are you going to do in the attics?

02-10-2011, 06:08 AM	#19 (permalink)
onemoretry Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75496 Posts: 50	The diagonals add strength and remove the need for sheething completely reducing the cost and waste. Thanks for the kinds words, I fully expected a bit of bashing...

02-10-2011, 08:51 AM	#21 (permalink)
smokinthehippies Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Member # 166043 Location: Sunnyvale, Ca Posts: 223	link to the garage journal thread?

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