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War Damn Eagle
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I hope this pisses ya off....
...enough to do something about it. Why arent we reacting with this sort of coordinated response?
From www.americanlands.org (kinda ironic name when they are trying hard to shut us OUT of those lands) these are OUR lands. ============================================ April 13, 2004 Mr. Dale Bosworth Chief U.S. Forest Service 1400 Independence Ave., SW Washington, DC 20250 Dear Chief Bosworth: The undersigned organizations and the millions of Americans we represent are encouraged by the announcement that the Forest Service will develop new policies and regulations designed to address the growing negative impacts caused by unmanaged off-road vehicle use. We urge the agency to propose and implement aggressive reform that first and foremost safeguards natural resources and the many benefits that our National Forests provide to millions of Americans who use them for purposes other than off-road vehicle recreation. You have acknowledged that unmanaged off-road vehicle use is one of the four greatest threats to the long-term health of our National Forests. In fact, the magnitude of this threat is even greater when one considers the role that dirt bikes, all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) and other off-road vehicles play in fragmenting wildlife habitat and spreading invasive weeds – two of the other threats you have identified. The agency is well aware of the wide range of impacts to the land, air and water quality, wildlife and habitat, and the experiences of millions of Americans who visit National Forests annually for nonmotorized recreation. These problems are exacerbated by the fact that the agency has a woefully inadequate number of law enforcement officers to respond to burgeoning demands. The average law enforcement ranger is responsible for more than 460,000 acres – an area more than half the size of the State of Delaware (776,960 acres). Addressing this problem requires at least two steps. First, the agency must develop regulations that facilitate effective enforcement on the ground. Second, the Service must request additional funding from Congress to boost the number of full-time law enforcement officers nationwide. Executive Orders (11644 and 11989) provide clear direction for public land management agencies to develop effective regulations for managing off-road vehicle use. While some of that direction has been incorporated in current regulations, those regulations have not be followed consistently from Forest to Forest and they are not comprehensive and strong enough to address growing off-road vehicle problems. With this regulatory change, the Forest Service has an opportunity to make off-road vehicle regulations more clear and explicit, and to provide a consistent set of rules that all Forests must meet. Many of our organizations have long supported the broad policy changes outlined by the Forest Service to date. Strengthening current regulations to prohibit cross-country motorized travel and limit dirt bikes and ATVs to designated roads and off-road vehicle routes clearly marked as open for their use will address fundamental policy needs. Although these policy changes will be beneficial, it is critical that the Forest Service take additional steps to ensure basic protections for public land, wildlife and other users of these special places. These steps, many of which reflect requirements in the Executive Orders, include: · Establishing a two-year timeline for implementing this plan, after which any forest that has not completed designations and closed renegade roads/routes will allow motorized recreational use only on roads/ORV routes that have been analyzed and then designated for such use. · Designating roads and routes for off-road vehicle travel through a site-specific and public process under the National Environmental Policy Act. Renegade roads/routes created by users without authorization will be closed until full analysis is completed to determine whether they can be designated without endangering natural resources, public safety, and/or the experience of other users. Renegade roads/routes that will be permanently closed must be restored. · Authorizing off-road vehicle use only in a manner that protects natural resources, environmental values (e.g. quiet, landscape character), public safety and the experience of other forest users. The agency has a positive obligation to analyze new recreational technologies/activities before they are allowed to determine whether or not they are compatible with this goal and, if they are, at what levels and where. The agency does not have an obligation to allow all forms of recreation to occur on Forest Service lands. · Prohibiting the use of off-road vehicles in wilderness quality lands such as roadless/unroaded areas and wilderness study areas. · Authorizing off-road vehicle use only to the extent that effective monitoring and enforcement are annually funded, implemented and used to determine appropriate levels of continued off-road vehicle use. · Protecting traditional foot/horse trails from motorized use: motorized vehicles may only travel on roads and off-road vehicle routes (ORV routes) designated in a public planning process and specifically engineered and constructed for motorized travel. · Creating a consistent set of minimum off-road vehicle regulations, and enforcement and monitoring standards that all National Forests must meet, while allowing individual forests to develop or maintain more protective measures. · Developing specific regulations that address snowmobiles and other motorized over-snow vehicles. Simply issuing a new regulation restricting cross-country travel and requiring off-road vehicles to remain on roads and routes will not address the enormity of the problems caused by off-road vehicle recreation. In order to increase the likelihood that new regulations will more effectively control this use and protect natural resources, wildlife and varied recreational opportunities for all Americans, the Forest Service must incorporate this comprehensive set of common sense policy reforms into any proposed rule. We applaud the Forest Service for taking the initiative to address this serious and growing problem. We appreciate your willingness to consider these recommendations and look forward to working with you in the months ahead to enact and implement strong reform. Sincerely, 20/20 Vision Rebecca Zimmerman Washington, DC Alaska Center for the Environment Randy Virgin, Executive Director Anchorage, AK Alaska Coalition Jay Heeter, Field Organizer Minneapolis, MN Alliance for the Wild Rockies Michael T. Garrity, Executive Director Missoula, MT Alpine Lakes Protection Society Donald Parks, President Seattle, WA American Lands Alliance Lisa Dix, National Forest Program Director Washington, DC American Wildlands Deborah Kmon Davidson, Program Coordinator Bozeman, MT Dr. Alfred M. McGlinsky, Professor Emeritus Albertson College of Idaho Caldwell, ID Alliance for Sustainability Terry Gips Minneapolis, MN American P.I.E. Brad Easterson Northfield, MN Appalachian Mountain Club Jack Schempp, Co-Chair, Conservation Committee Rhode Island Appalachian Mountain Club Andy Falender, Executive Director Boston, MA Arizona Native Plant Society Carianne Funicelli, Chair of the Conservation Committee Tucson, AZ Arizona Wilderness Coalition Don Hoffman, Director Alpine, AZ Ascutney Mountain Audubon Society Wally Elton, President Springfield, VT Audubon Minnesota Mark Martell St. Paul, MN Audubon New York Graham Cox, Forest and Wetland Program Coordinator Albany, NY Audubon Society of Corvallis Jim Fairchild, Conservation Chair Corvallis, OR Audubon Vermont Jim Shallow, Executive Director Huntington, VT Backcountry Snowsports Alliance Kim Hedberg, Executive Director Golden, CO Srestha Banerjee, Ph D Candidate University of Delaware Newark, DE Bark Sandi Scheinberg, Executive Director Portland, OR Bill and Nancy Bauer Outdoor enthusiasts, farmers, and stewards of the land Champlin, MN Berks County Young Democrats of PA Frank Denbowski, President Reading,PA Big Wild Advocates Howie Wolke, President Emigrant, MT Biodiversity Conservation Alliance Jeff Kessler, Conservation Director Laramie, WY Blue Mountain Audubon Chris Howard, Conservation Chair Walla Walla, WA Bradford Environmental Research Jonathan B Ratner Pinedale, WY Bronx River-Sound Shore Audubon Society Dr. John S. Moyle, President Scarsdale, NY Brown Environmental Network Sarah Wald Providence, RI Greg Buck Indianapolis, IN California Indian Basketweavers Association Vivian Parker, Resource Policy Analyst Kelsey, CA California Native Plant Society Jennifer Kalt, Forestry Issues Coordinator Arcata, CA California Wilderness Coalition Mary L. Wells, Executive Director Davis, CA Californians for Western Wilderness Michael J. Painter, Coordinator San Francisco, CA Cascadia Wildlands Project Josh Laughlin, Campaign Coordinator Eugene, OR Center for Biological Diversity Daniel R. Patterson, Desert Ecologist Tucson, AZ Center for Native Ecosystems Jacob Smith, Executive Director Denver, CO Center for Sierra Nevada Conservation Karen Schambach, President Georgetown, California Central Montana Wildlands Association Steve McCoy Lewistown, Montana Central Sierra Environmental Resource Center John Buckley, Executive Director Twain Harte, CA Chattanooga Hiking Club Betty J. Petty Chattanooga, TN Chequamegon Area Mountain Bike Association Ron Bergin Cable, WI Circle of Life Aaron Lehmer, Action Support Coordinator California Citizens for Alternatives to Chemical Contamination John Witucki Lake, MI Citizens for Better Forestry Susan Bower, Director Hayfork, CA Citizens for Conservation of the North End Lynda Bilbrough Carolina Beach, NC Citizens Campaign for the Environment Adrienne Esposito Executive Director Farmingdale, NY Citizens for a Responsible Cell Tower Ordinance Nicole Roskos, President Woodstock, NY Citizens for a Vehicle Free Nipomo Dunes William Denneen, Biologist, Executive Director Nipomo, CA Chappee Rapids Audubon Society Wendel J. Johnson, Conservation Chair Marinette, WI Chattooga Conservancy Nicole Hayler Clayton, GA Citizens of Lee Environmental Action Network -- CLEAN Beth Davies, Chair St. Charles, VA Clark Fork Coalition Matt Clifford, Conservation Director Missoula, MT Coalition for Jobs and the Environment Rachael Bliss, Chair Abingdon, VA Coast Range Association Chuck Willer, Director Corvallis, OR Coastal Plains Institute and Land Conservancy Bruce Means, Ph.D., President and Executive Director Tallahassee, FL Cold Mountain, Cold Rivers Larry Evans Missoula, MT Colorado Environmental Coalition Elise Jones, Executive Director Denver, CO Colorado Mountain Club Vera Smith, Conservation Director Golden, CO Colorado Plateau Museum of Arthropod Biodiversity Dr. Stefan Sommer, Associate Curator Flagstaff, AZ Colorado Wild Jeff Berman, Executive Director Durango, CO Commitment to Our Recreational Environment Judith Spencer, President Arnold, CA CoPIRG Student Chapters Sara Grimes, Campus Organizer Colorado University Boulder Boulder, CO Concerned Friends of Ferry County Dave Robinson Curlew, WA Conservancy of the Phoenix, Inc Reginald D. Atkins, President Casper, WY Continental Divide Trail Society Jim Wolf Baltimore, MD Conservation Law Foundation - New Hampshire Nancy L. Girard, Vice President and Director Concord, NH Conservation Leaders Network Peg Reagan, Executive Director Wedderburn, OR Deerlodge Forest Defense Fund Paul Richards, Steering Committee Boulder, MT Defenders of Wildlife Mike Leahy, Natural Resources Counsel Washington, DC Delaware-Otsego Audubon Society Andrew Mason, Conservation Chair Jefferson, NY Devil's Fork Trail Club Dick Austin, President Dungannon, VA Duluth Audubon Society Cathy Podeszwa Duluth, MN EAGLE Jennifer Tahtinen Duluth, MN ECCOLA John Schwarzmann Minocqua, WI Environment Colorado Robin Hubbard, Field Director Denver, CO Environmental Center of San Luis Obispo Pamela Heatherington, Executive Director San Luis Obispo, CA Environmental Council of Rhode Island Paul Beaudette, V.P. Policy and Issues Rhode Island Environmental Defense Center Jeff Kuyper, Legal Analyst Santa Barbara, CA Environmental Justice Advocates of Minnesota Keith Ellison Minneapolis, MN Environmental League of Massachusetts Nancy Goodman, Senior Policy Advocate Boston, MA Environmental Protection Information Center (EPIC) Scott Greacen, National Forest Program Coordinator Garberville, CA Fairfax Audubon Society James Waggener, President Fairfax, VA Florida Biodiversity Project Brian Scherf, Board member Hollywood, FL Forest Coalition Richard Martin Boiling Springs, PA Forest Issues Group J. Todd Hutchins, Executive Director Nevada City, CA Forestry Monitoring Project Kent Stromsmoe Martinez, CA Forest Ecology Network Jonathan Carter Executive Director Augusta, ME Forests Forever Forests Forever Foundation Paul Hughes, Executive Director San Francisco, CA Friends of Blackwater Judy Rodd Charleston, WV Friends of Hope Valley Debbi Waldear Markleeville, CA Friends of Mississippi Public Lands Terri Ballinger, Outreach Coordinator Mississippi Friends of Living Oregon Waters (FLOW) Grants Pass, OR Friends of Madera Canyon Doug and Laurie Moore Cortaro, AZ Friends of Nevada Wilderness Shaaron Netherton, Executive Director Nevada Friends of the Apalachicola National Forest Walter R. Tschinkel Tallahassee, FL Friends of the Bitterroot Larry Campbell Hamilton, MT Friends of the Boundary Waters Wilderness Sarah Strommen Minneapolis, MN Friends of the Clearwater Gary Macfarlane, Forest Watch Director Moscow, ID Friends of the Earth Erich Pica, Director - Economics Campaign Washington, DC Friends of the River Steven L. Evans, Conservation Director Sacramento, CA Friends of the Rocky Mountain Front Gene & Linda Sentz Choteau, MT Friends of the Snake River (MN) Thomas F. Waters, President Andover, MN Friends of the Wild Swan Arlene Montgomery, Program Director Swan Lake, MT Jim Furnish, Consulting Forester Retired Deputy Chief USFS Rockville, MD Georgia Forestwatch Debbie Royston, Executive Director Ellijay, GA Gifford Pinchot Task Force Emily Platt, Executive Director Portland, OR Grand Canyon Trust Taylor McKinnon, Forest Conservation Program Manager Flagstaff, AZ Great Basin Institute Dr. Corey Lewis University of Nevada, Reno Reno, NV Great Bear Foundation Charles Jonkel, President Missoula, MT Great Old Broads for Wilderness Veronica Egan, Executive Director Durango, CO Greater Yellowstone Coalition Tim Stevens, Issues/Outreach Coordinator Bozeman, MT Green Valleys Association Catharine Swan, Executive Director Pottstown, PA Greenbrier River Trail Association Leslee McCarty, President Marlinton, WV Greenbrier River Watershed Association Gary P.Cooper, President, Lewisburg, WV Greenbrier Land Conservation Trust Jennifer Jones, President Lewisburg, WV Habitat Education Center Ricardo Jomarron Madison, WI Hackensack Riverkeeper Captain Bill Sheehan, Executive Director Hackensack, NJ Headwaters Tonya Graham, Executive Director Ashland, OR Hells Canyon Preservation Council Brett Brownscombe, Conservation Director La Grande, OR High Country Citizens' Alliance Wendy McDermott, Executive Director Crested Butte, CO High Uintas Preservation Council Dick Carter Hyrum, UT Idaho Conservation League Kathryn Goldman, Conservation Assistant Ketchum, ID Idaho Sporting Congress Ron Mitchell, Executive Director Boise, ID Illinois Student Environmental Network Barbara Sego, Executive Director Urbana, IL Institute for Agriculture & Trade Policy Mark Ritchie Minneapolis, MN Issaquah Alps Trails Club Ken Konigsmark, Vice President - Issues and Advocacy Issaquah, WA Izaak Walton League of America, Minnesota Division Char Brooker St. Paul, MN Izaak Walton League of America, Breckenridge Chapter Dick Brown Champlin, MN Kettle Range Conservation Group Timothy J. Coleman, Executive Director Republic, WA Keystone Trails Association Hugh S. Downing, President Confluence, PA Klamath Forest Alliance Salmon Stroich, Program Coordinator Somes Bar, CA Klamath Siskiyou Wildlands Center Spencer Leonard, Executive Director Ashland, OR Kootenai Environmental Alliance Barry Rosenberg, Executive Director Couer d’Alene, ID League of Women Voters – Minnesota Allene Moesler Lake Superior Greens Jan Conley, Coordinator Superior, WI Lancaster Hiking Club Joan Drake, President Lancaster, PA Leech Lake Area Watershed Foundation Pat Larson Walker, MN Lower Mohawk Land Conservancy Randy Jennings, President Schenectady, NY Maine Audubon Robert R. Bryan, Forest and Wetland Ecologist & Licensed Forester Falmouth, ME Magic Robin Bayer, President Palo Alto, CA Mankato Area Environmentalists Sister Gladys Schmitz Mankato, MN Maricopa Audubon Society Bob Witzeman, Conservation Chair, Phoenix, AZ Mariposans for Environmentally Responsible Growth Bart Brown, Chairman Mariposa, CA Massachusetts Audubon John J. Clarke, Director of Advocacy Lincoln, MA McKenzie Guardians James Baker, President Blue River, OR Merriam Powell Center for Environmental Research Dr. Stefan Sommer, Director of Education Flagstaff, AZ Methow Forest Watch Susan Crampton Okanogan, WA Mid State Trail Association, Inc. Tom Kelliher Boalsburg, PA MN Center for Environmental Advocacy Matt Norton, Forestry Advocate & Staff Attorney St. Paul, MN Minnesota Conservation Federation Gary Botzek St. Paul, MN Minnesota Environmental Partnership Ron Kroese St. Paul, MN Minnesota Ornithologists' Union Tom Bell St. Paul Park, MN Minnesotans for Responsible Recreation Jeff Brown Duluth, MN Mississippi Corridor Neighborhood Coalition Randy Kouri Minneapolis, MN Mississippi Headwaters Audubon Society Jerry Maertens Bemidji, MN Mojave Group of the Sierra Club Carol Wiley, Chair Victorville, CA Montana-CHEER Tony Tweedale, Secretary Missoula, MT Montana Wilderness Association Gerry Jennings, President Helena, MT Montana Wilderness Association Eastern Wildlands Chapter Paul Sneed, President Montana Montana Wildlife Federation Nathan P. Birkeland, NW Field Coordinator Helena, MT Mount Hood National Park Campaign Albert Kaufman Portland, OR Mountain High Hikers Johanne Kittle, President Hiawassee, GA Mountain Lion Foundation Lynn Sadler, Executive Director Sacramento, CA Mountain Defense League Pandora Rose, Director Ramona, CA National Audubon Society John Hall, President - Mountaineer Chapter Morgantown, WV National Forest Protection Alliance Andrew George, Campaign Coordinator Chapel Hill, NC Native Forest Network Phil Knight Bozeman, MT Natural Resources Council of Maine Catherine B. Johnson, North Woods Project Director Augusta, ME Natural Trails and Waters Coalition Scott Kovarovics, Director Washington, DC Nebraska Resources Council Buffalo Bruce, Board Chair Nebraska Nevada Wilderness Project Erika Pollard, Conservation Director Reno, NV New Hope Audubon Society Tom Driscoll, President North Carolina New Rocky Mountaineers Gerald Olbu, President Missoula, MT Neshaminy Watershed Association Richard G. Myers, President Rushland, PA Noise Pollution Clearinghouse Les Blomberg, Executive Director Montpelier, VT Nordic and Backcountry Skiers Alliance Bob Jonas, President Sun Valley, ID North Cascades Conservation Council Mark Bardsley Seattle, WA Northeast Minnesotans for Wilderness Ray Spencer Ely, MN Northern Forest Alliance George Gay, Executive Director Montpelier, VT Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act Network Carole King, Founder, Director Hailey, ID Northwest Coalition for Alternatives to Pesticides Caroline Cox, Staff Scientist Eugene, OR Olympic Forest Coalition Bonnie Phillips, Chair Olympia, WA Okanogan Highlands Alliance David Kliegman, Executive Director Tonasket, WA Olympic Park Associates Tim McNulty, President Seattle, WA Omni-Vision Ministries Carole "Aurelia" Lawson Fort Worth, TX Oregon Natural Desert Association Bill Marlett, Executive Director Bend, OR Oregon Natural Resources Council Regna Merritt, Executive Director Portland, OR Oregon Wildlife Federation Paul Loney, President Oregon Ouachita Watch League Jerry Williams, Vice Chairman Hot Springs, AR Ozark Riverkeepers Network Tom Kruzen Arkansas Pacific Environment Jennifer Castner Eyres San Francisco, CA Pacific Rivers Council Deanna Spooner, Conservation Director Eugene, OR Palos Verdes/South Bay Audubon Society Lillian Knight, Conservation Chair Manhattan Beach, CA Park County Environmental Council Jim Barrett, Executive Director Livingston, MT Planning and Conservation League Tim McRae, Special Projects Director Sacramento, CA Patrick Environmental Awareness Group Jan Wiley, Chair Stuart, VA Pennsylvania Sierra Club Phil Coleman West Brownsville, PA Pennsylvania Wildlands Recovery Project Alan C. Gregory, President State College, PA Potomac Valley Audubon Society Diana L. Mullis President Shepherdstown, WV Pennsylvania Wildlands Recovery Project Alan Gregory, President State College, PA Plumas Forest Project John Preschutti, Director Blairsden, CA Predator Conservation Alliance Shawn Regnerus, Program Associate Bozeman, MT Protecting and Restoring Oregon Wild Lands (FLOW) Lisa Blanton, Project Coordinator Bend, OR Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility Jeff Ruch, Executive Director Quiet Use Coalition Denny Claveau, President Buena Vista, CO Rainforest Action Group Olivia Kirby Boulder, CO Red Rock Forests Wayne Y. Hoskisson, Executive Director Moab, UT RESTORE The North Woods Michael Kellett. Executive Director Concord, MA Restoring Eden Peter Illyn, Executive Director Vancouver, WA George Robinson Associate Professor Department of Biological Sciences State University of New York at Albany Rocky Mountain Recreation Initiative Roz McClellan, Director Nederland, CO Rockymountaineers Julie Warner, President Missoula, MT Margaret Rubega Assistant Professor, State Ornithologist Dept. Ecology and Evolutionary Biology University of Connecticut SAFE: Save Our Ancient Forest Ecology Dr. Rob Schaeffer Modesto, CA Saint Paul Audubon Society Holly Peirson St. Paul, MN San Juan Citizens Alliance Mark Pearson, Executive Director Durango, CO San Luis Valley Ecosystem Council Christine Canaly, Director Alamosa, CO Santa Susana Mountain Park Association Judy Garris Canoga Park, CA Santa Susana Mountain Task Force Judy Garris Canoga Park, CA Save Our Canyons Lisa H. Smith, Executive Director Salt Lake City, UT Save Our Big Scrub Robin Lewis, President Salt Springs, FL Marietta Schwend Bayfield County, WI Sierra Club Karl Forsgaard, Recreation Issues Chair San Francisco, CA Sierra Foothills Audubon Society Walt Carnahan, President Grass Valley, CA Sierra Nevada Alliance Joan Clayburgh, Executive Director Lake Tahoe, CA Sierra Nevada Forest Protection Campaign David G. Graves, Conservation and Communications Coordinator Sacramento, CA Sierra Student Coalition Jeremy Nagamatsu, Forest Protection Campaign Coordinator Grinnell, IA Sinapu Rob Edward, Director of Carnivore Restoration Boulder, CO Scenic Minnesota Brian Bates St. Paul, MN Selkirk Conservation Alliance Mark Sprengel, Executive Director Priest River, ID Sequoia ForestKeeper Ara Marderosian, Executive Director Kernville, CA Serpentine Art and Nature Commons, Inc. George Y. Bramwell, Esq., President Staten Island, NY Sheboygan County Audubon Society June Platz Howards Grove, WI Sitka Conservation Society Page Else Sitka, AK Siskiyou Regional Education Project Romain Cooper, Conservation Coordinator Cave Junction, OR Sky Island Alliance Matt Skroch, Field Director Tucson, AZ Society for Natural Resources Conservation Garrett Meigs Cornell University Ithaca, NY Soda Mountain Wilderness Council Dave Willis, Coordinator Ashland, OR South Carolina Forest Watch Butch Clay Mt. Rest, SC Southern Appalachian Forest Coalition Mark Shelley, Director Asheville, NC Southern Rockies Ecosystem Project Margaret DeMarco, Executive Director Denver, CO Southwest Environmental Center Kevin Bixby, Executive Director Las Cruces, NM Southwest Montana Wildlands Alliance Al Luebeck, Chairman Butte, MT Spokane Mountaineers Jeff Lambert Spokane, WA Susquehanna Appalachian Trail Club Barb Harvey, President Harrisburg, PA Sustainable Obtainable Solutions Gloria Flora, Executive Director Helena, MT Swan View Coalition Keith Hammer, Chair Kalispel, MT Taking Responsibility for the Earth and Environment (TREE) Addie Cranston Blacksburg, VA Tennessee Citizens for Wilderness Planning Cindy Kendrick, President Oak Ridge, TN Tennessee Clean Water Network Axel Ringe, President Tennessee The Clinch Coalition Detta Davis, President Coeburn, VA The Ecology Center, Inc. Jeff Juel Missoula, MT The Four Corners Institute Melissa Savage, Director Santa Fe, NM The Fyke Nature Association Hugh M. Carola, Land Trust Director Ramsey, NJ The Humane Society of the United States Bette Stallman, Ph.D., Wildlife Scientist Washington, DC The Lands Council Mike Petersen, Executive Director Spokane, WA The Mountaineers Ron Eng, President Seattle, WA The Rewilding Institute Dave Foreman Albuquerque, NM The Wilderness Society Michael Francis, Director - National Forest Program Washington, DC Threatened & Endangered: Little Applegate Valley Chant Thomas, Director Jacksonville, OR Trout Unlimited Scott Stouder, Western Field Coordinator Pollock, ID Tucson Audubon Society Sonja Macys, Executive Director Tucson, AZ Tucson Herpetological Society Taylor Edwards, President Tucson, AZ Umpqua Watersheds Penny Lind, Executive Director Roseburg, OR Upper Arkansas and South Platte Project Jean Smith Florrisant, CO United Church of Christ Network for Environmental and Economic Responsibility Rev. Douglas B. Hunt University of Colorado Wilderness Study Group Andy Bennett Boulder, CO USPIRG Tiernan Sittenfeld, Conservation Advocate Washington, DC Vermont Natural Resources Council Jamey Fidel Forest and Biodiversity Program Director Montpelier, VT Virginia Forest Watch Gerald Gray, Chair Clintwood, VA VisualJourneys Andrew Harvey, Director Idyllwild, CA Don M. Waller, Prof. Department of Botany University of Wisconsin-Madison Luke Wallin Professor and Senior Research Associate The Center for Policy Analysis University of Massachusetts Dartmouth Washington Wilderness Coalition Nalani Askov, Executive Director Seattle, WA Wild Wilderness Scott Silver, Executive Director Bend, OR West Michigan Environmental Action Council Thomas Leonard, Executive Director Grand Rapids, MI West Virginia Highlands Conservancy Dave Saville Charleston, WV Western Colorado Congress Matt Sura, Executive Director Montrose, CO Western North Carolina Alliance Bob Gale North Carolina Western Resource Advocates Brad A. Bartlett, Lands Counsel Boulder, CO Western Slope Environmental Resource Council, Jeremy Puckett, Director of Conservation and Public Lands Paonia, CO Westmoreland Woodlands Improvement Association Robert L. Ackerman, President New Alexandria, PA Whidbey Environmental Action Network Marianne Edain Langley, WA White Mountain Conservation League Liz Wise Pinetop, AZ White River Conservation Project Richard Compton, Director Carbondale, CO WildLaw Ray Vaughan Montgomery, AL Wild South Vince Meleski, Program Director Moulton, AL Wild Watershed Sam Hitt Santa Fe, NM Wilderness Watch George Nickas, Executive Director Missoula, MT Wilderness Workshop Sloan Shoemaker, Executive Director Aspen, CO Wildlands CPR Bethanie Walder, Executive Director Missoula, MT Wildlands Project Kathy Daly, Conservation Biologist Richmond, VT Wilson Canyon Alliance Larry O’Hanlon Smith, NV Winter Wildlands Alliance Sally Grimes, Executive Director Boise, ID Wisconsin Audubon Council Hank Bruse Wisconsin Rapids, WI Wyoming Wilderness Association Liz Howell Sheridan, WY Yaak Valley Forest Council Robyn King Montana Yosemite Area Audubon Richard W. Kunstman, Conservation Chairman Mariposa, CA
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As much as I hate to say this, there are a lot of idiots in my area that just go bombing through any opening and mud hole they can find on the forest service land and tear shit up.
It's assholes like that who are ruining it for the rest of us. I personally have never caught anyone doing it, but their marks are very prounounced all through the hillside. A few bad apples are ruining the bunch and aiding to kill our sport. Morrow County, County Government has finally opened up a designated ORV course a couple hours from where I live, with miles and miles of trails designed for the offroader in mind. I would like to see the Forest Service start making designated areas for such things. Jordan
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04-22-2004, 04:44 PM
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Did you realy need to post all of the names at the end
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I didn't read it all word for word, but I read most of it, especially the guidlines proposed, and it doesn't sound that unreasonable to me. I mean, basically all they're saying is that they want to designate specific areas for off-roading and hire more rangers to help enforce it. The second part of that is never going to happen. But if we, and I don't mean all of us, but we as in some of us would respect private property and land like we should we may not be having this problem.
We all know that the eco-freaks will never get 1 ranger for every acre of forest. No politician cares about the environment that much. And I personally wish there WERE more rangers to help catch all the friggin lunatics that I know and see out on the trails. I've personally almost been hit by irresponsible off-roaders drinking while they drive and I know a guy who was forced off the mountain at Tellico by a drunken ATV rider doing 60 down the mountain. He barrell rolled 4 times down the side and the crazy drunk didn't even stop to see if he was OK! Some of us are responsible. I try to be as much as possible. Even I partake in a beer every once in a while though. (Not to much when I'm driving.) But about 25% of the people I run into at Tellico are drunken idiots who should have been cleared out of the gene pool a long time ago. My problem with the eco-nazis is not so much with the reasonable (but wordy) ones like above. My beef is with the ones who want to outlaw wheeling anywhere. I personally do not think that we should be able ot go anywhere just because we can. J. J. |
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Dr. Corey Lewis University of Nevada, Reno Reno, NV Glo, go find this idiot and kick him in the nuts... And patooyee, Does this sound like a good idea?? · Protecting traditional foot/horse trails from motorized use: motorized vehicles may only travel on roads and off-road vehicle routes (ORV routes) designated in a public planning process and specifically engineered and constructed for motorized travel. The whole specifically engineered and constructed for motorized traffic kinda bugs me. It sounds like if it is just a non graded dirt road it does not qualify.. There are a bunch of little things like this in there.
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does no one else see that horses will help spread the weeds and other foreign plants more than any 4x4 will? Horses eat weeds, then shit them back out. It's the perfect transplant of seeds... got fertilizer and all. |
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04-22-2004, 05:33 PM
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And as far as trails being engineered for ORV use, isn't that what ALL our trails are? I obviously do not support that suggestion if they propose to do it without the input of off-roaders. But any area designed FOR off-road use is going to need input FROM off-roaders, so I'm not really that afraid of that. J. J. Last edited by patooyee; 04-22-2004 at 05:35 PM. |
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Its all fucked up.. Just try to be a responsible driver & clean up a trail once in a while.
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I completly agree. I backpack alot and horses cause more damage to trails than any 4x4. They not only cause the weeds but bring in non native or large amounts of bugs (flies). Why are they not bitching about the horses. I personaly dislike them but they have just as much of a right to be there as I do. This is why when I go backpacking I avoid trails that horses go on. Why is it that greenys are so selfish they have to have the whole forest to themselfs. If the dont like 4x4 areas, dont go near them. I was reading through the names and quite a few are affiliated with CU here in CO. I wish I could go kick them in the nuts. The bad thing is they usually get school funding to support their "organizations".
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