Performance Parts: Suggestions for cam and header

[Elvis-n-Texas]

Well; I searched the FAQ and postings, but did not get any concrete hits.

I need advice on a aftermarket cam and header.

My 93 reg cab, short box 22RE is headless at the moment.

I cleaned up the area around the valve seats, smoothed the runners and port matched it last night and sent it off for milling, new guides and a valve job. The injectors are also out being cleaned and flow balanced. I installed a new timing chain and sprockets. I will be port matching the intake this weekend while I wait.. I am now ready to research a cam and header. Compression is stock, 31's and 4.10 ratio. The porting was not intended to increase port or bowl volume, just a sensible cleaning up from the factory machining.

I am looking for torque only. Any suggestions for a cam and header.

My intensions for the truck are to run up and down the Texas beaches looking for those elusive Red Fish.. No rock crawing for this Sand-Flea.. but lots of DEEP sand..

1st hand experience only please; AND more importantly, a reputable vendor to contact.

(Odd, there was no vendor in the links section that carried what I was looking for... )


Any assistance is appreciated.

Elvis

[Gnarly4X]

This would be my choice....Doug Thorely header, 2.25" exhaust with high flow cat (or no cat) and muffler, CompCam 252S or EB Crawler 261. The 22RE numbers will be slightly higher, but parallel. From a stock 22R, the header and exhaust will net you about 10% increase in numbers the cam will net you about another 8%. TJMHO.
Gnarls.

22R - Stock
Stock Exhaust - Stock Toy Cam:
2200 RPM –99.4 brake tq, 41.6 brake HP
2500 RPM - 111, 52.6
2800 RPM - 118, 62.8
3100 RPM - 122, 71.1
3400 RPM - 123, 79.6
3700 RPM – 122, 86.2
4000 RPM – 120, 91.6
4300 RPM - 116, 95.3
4600 RPM - 111, 97.6
4900 RPM - 105, 98.2

22R – Stock cam, Thorely Header, 2” exhaust, Cherry Bomb Turbo Muffler
2200 RPM –112 brake tq, 46.8 brake HP
2500 RPM - 122, 57.9
2800 RPM - 132, 70.4
3100 RPM - 141, 83.4
3400 RPM - 149, 96.1
3700 RPM – 145, 102
4000 RPM – 143, 109
4300 RPM - 140, 114
4600 RPM - 136, 119
4900 RPM - 132, 124

22R, Header/exhaust adding Comp Cam 252S:
2200 RPM –126 brake tq, 52.9 brake HP
2500 RPM - 135, 64.4
2800 RPM - 141, 75.4
3100 RPM - 146, 86.1
3400 RPM - 150, 97.3
3700 RPM - 147, 104
4000 RPM – 144, 110
4300 RPM - 140, 115
4600 RPM - 137, 120
4900 RPM - 133, 124

Toy Stock: PK Tq 123, Avg Tq 115, Pk HP 98.2, Avg HP 77.7
Header: Pk Tq 149, Avg Tq 135, Pk HP 124, Avg HP 92.3
Header+Cam: Pk Tq 150, Avg Tq 140, Pk HP 124, Avg HP 94.9

Engine Builder 261:
2200 RPM –121 brake tq, 50.9 brake HP
2500 RPM - 131, 62.1
2800 RPM - 139, 73.9
3100 RPM - 145, 85.5
3400 RPM - 150, 96.8
3700 RPM - 146, 103
4000 RPM – 143, 109
4300 RPM - 140, 114
4600 RPM - 136, 119
4900 RPM - 133, 124

Toy Stock….PK Tq 149, Avg Tq 135, Pk HP 124, Avg HP 92.3
Comp Cam..Pk Tq 150, Avg Tq 140, Pk HP 124, Avg HP 94.9
EB 261………Pk Tq 150, Avg Tq 138, Pk HP 124, Avg HP 93.8

[Lowtorious]

A Doug Thorley header, highflow 2.25" cat, Flowmaster 2.25" definately helped out.
This was on the 22RE with about 320K on it in my '88 4Runner. I'm rebuilding the motor with one of engnbldr's H/O heads and a DOA/engnbldr 270 cam. I might also punch the motor out if need be.
We'll see how it all performs when it's all done....

[mxitup]

Whatever cam you do choose, stay away from the regrinds. If it is an 'aftermarket' cam be sure the lobe profile was machined from a blank and not from a factory 22r(e) profile cam.

[4CrawlR]

I'm happy with the TRD Level 1 cam and LC Engineering header on my '85/22RE:

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...ds/index.shtml

They seem to give good performance and are smog legal where I register my truck, which was am important consideration for me.

[Gnarly4X]

Originally Posted by 4CrawlR

I'm happy with the TRD Level 1 cam and LC Engineering header on my '85/22RE:

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...ds/index.shtml

They seem to give good performance and are smog legal where I register my truck, which was am important consideration for me.

The problem with all the TRD cams is their longer durations. If you are looking for increased torque, you will give up gobs of low-end torque through 3500 RPM with the TRD cams.
Gnarls.

[gtxracer]

Get the Engnbldr 261C cam. It's made for low end torque. I'm rebuilding my 22R right now and I'm looking for torque as well. Where are you at in Tx? I'm in SA near the Den.

Like stated, get Thorley headers. I will be getting them soon. Instead of a flowmaster, get a glasspack. Use the money you saved for other stuff. No need in spending that much on a muffler IMO.

[lal357]

dont mean to hi jack but got a ? so the eb261 is alittle better than the ed272 i'm running a headman header on a 20r (for now )

[Gnarly4X]

Originally Posted by lal357

dont mean to hi jack but got a ? so the eb261 is alittle better than the ed272 i'm running a headman header on a 20r (for now )

It depends on what you mean by better? The shorter duration profiles in the 22s will give you better low to mid-range torque. Torque is what you need if you want more performance in the normal driving RPM range (1500 to 3400 RPM). Peak torque appears around 3400 and peak HP appears around 4800 in the 22s. The higher lift and longer duration profiles will typically sacrafice low to mid-range torque and move the HP number up the RPM scale. So if you are building an engine for racing at above 3500 to 5000+ RPM, then a bigger cam works great. But if you want more grunt and pull and typical around town pep, then the EB Crawler 261 or the CompCam 252S or the Erson 268 profiles are way better. Coupled with a tri-y header (like the Thorely) and opened exhaust with better intake breathing, you'll notice seat-of-the-pants difference immediately. That's just my humble opinion.
Gnarls.

[lal357]

i am interested in low end for sure i rarley drive it on the road and hopefully will be doing a engine rebuild swap to a 22r or a 20/22r hybrid in the future but since the 20r runs good (except for the damn carb which i will be putting in a weber before the end of the year ) so i'm putting money in other things(tires,locker.cage,maybe hysteer )

[Elvis-n-Texas]

[quote=gtxracer]Where are you at in Tx? I'm in SA near the Den.
QUOTE]

I am West of Georgetown. I have buddy Stationed at Randolph..

I get to SA from time to time..

Elvis

[Elvis-n-Texas]

Yup, good advice all..

Decision made.

I am going to stick with the stock cam for now and pick up the Thorley header, new hi-flo 'verter and a better muffler. My ultimate goal is a 1KZ-TE Diesel swap... the head rebuild is to tide me over as Sand-Flea and I get to know each other..

OK, on to business...

Who is a vendor who supports the Pirate page? I like to spend my $ "wisely"

Thanx to all who replied, and any additional information on a cam will be archived if I change my mind.. (Been known to happen)

Elvis

[kyle_22r]

i've always heard the stock manifold is better for normal driving, header is better for racing since it'll give you the most performance boost in the higher RPMs

i'm thinking about buying an engnbldr 261c cam when i get my new block bored out

[4runninghank]

engnbldr 270 cam won't give you much power above 4000 RPM if you set it right.

[Gnarly4X]

Originally Posted by Elvis-n-Texas

Yup, good advice all..

Decision made.

I am going to stick with the stock cam for now and pick up the Thorley header, new hi-flo 'verter and a better muffler. My ultimate goal is a 1KZ-TE Diesel swap... the head rebuild is to tide me over as Sand-Flea and I get to know each other..

OK, on to business...

Who is a vendor who supports the Pirate page? I like to spend my $ "wisely"

Thanx to all who replied, and any additional information on a cam will be archived if I change my mind.. (Been known to happen)

Elvis

The Toyota stock cam is not a bad cam.
Gnarls.

[Gnarly4X]

Originally Posted by 4runninghank

engnbldr 270 cam won't give you much power above 4000 RPM if you set it right.

Can you explain that a little more.... "won't give.. above 4000" .... "if you set it right"... sorry I missed something.
Gnarls.