Fawking loggers....

BoJack · 10-14-2005, 10:54 PM

Early this summer I bought 10 acres of land that borders 100's of acres of County land. A VERY nice view, well was until they logged it, which I have no say in and understand that.

Today I walked back there (I have deer stands along some trails) , well what use to be my stands. 1 was knocked down, tree gone of course, and a total of 20 large Oaks are gone, they were very old and I would say from 2' wide to 3' wide.

Before I bought this land it was surveyed and ribbons (orange, kinda EASY to see) were placed every 50'. Just to be sure I GPS's every corner which had stakes, and yeah they did it. Not to mention many many smaller trees.

Before it was surveyed this year, the old property line was marked by red paint on some trees, obviously they followed this line, whereas the real line was out 20' from the old line.

Why in the hell wouldnt they have asked me before cutting, I mean the NEW ribbons were obvious.

I think Im going to call them Monday and have them deliver some lumber, I dont think they will have any chioce in this request...

jpcj · 10-14-2005, 10:56 PM

fork off greenie.

Mo · 10-14-2005, 10:59 PM

dude, they logged his land

Drunk tank · 10-14-2005, 11:02 PM

fawk that shit! those fools OWE you SOMETHING! Id be fire ant pissed if i was in your boots!

Schmozilla · 10-14-2005, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpcj

fork off greenie.

yeah dude thats not being a greenie, thats just gettin back what is yours.

jpcj · 10-14-2005, 11:03 PM

true, but whats 20' on ten acres? Contrary to popular belief, trees DO grow back.

schulze · 10-14-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BoJack

I think Im going to call them Monday and have them deliver some lumber, I dont think they will have any chioce in this request...

I would have them pay you what they receive for your timber.
The logger should have exact records. We have some land in Oregon that was thinned a bit and it generated some decent revenue. Good luck.
Pip

schulze · 10-14-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jpcj

true, but whats 20' on ten acres? Contrary to popular belief, trees DO grow back.

Yes they do. And the ones that were cut are worth *his* money.
Pip

Paul Gagnon · 10-14-2005, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpcj

true, but whats 20' on ten acres?

That's a fuck of a lot of board feet and a whole bunch of money.

Drunk tank · 10-14-2005, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpcj

true, but whats 20' on ten acres? Contrary to popular belief, trees DO grow back.

20 feet is 20 feet.... depending on the shape of the lot... it can be alot of land. if its 20 feet on a 1000' line... thats half an acre.

Either way, logging companies are more than capable to do shit right and survey the correct boundries. Its not BoJacks responsibility to display his property line

trampas · 10-14-2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jpcj

Contrary to popular belief, trees DO grow back.

So popular belief in your world, is that they don't?

Truly a renewable resource yes, but if my lawn neighbored your beautifully kept greens and i decided to take 3' feet of it up along with what was rightfully mine as i lay bark chips twixed our properties, you wouldn't mind?

jpcj · 10-14-2005, 11:21 PM

if 20 trees (according to his post) ruined his "view" on 10 acres..... then ya, lay all the fawking bark chips you want. I can understand taking what is not rightfully yours. It sucks.... But whos survey is correct? His GPS or the original lot line?

Get off your high horsies.... If you had ten trees on your property and they took five, sure be mad. Maybe he should clarify the whole different lot line aspect here, maybe I am looking at it all wrong.

EDIT, ok reread.... resurveyed this year, I was thinking he meant his GPS readings were his survey....

BoJack · 10-14-2005, 11:30 PM

jpcj, 6 months ago, the guy that sold me this land paid $8000 to have the land surveyed. Now those ribbons are gone for one, so the land I bought is now no longer marked. I would think this also brings down my land value.

As for ruining my view, well obviously your either a logger or know some, these huge Oaks are a view. Ill take pictures tomorrow, My land borders a huge dropoff into a rivene, then a river and lake.

SteveZ59 · 10-14-2005, 11:34 PM

Definitely get after the lumber company. If they cut tree's on your property they can & will pay you damages. If it's a logging company of any size they probably have a right of way department that handles this sort of thing. Make sure that you know exactly how many tree's they cut and what the approximate size are. If at all possible you want to find out independently what those tree's were worth before you accept the damages from the lumber company. They will not pay you any more then they have to in order to make the issue go away. If they can get off cheap and pay you a fraction of what the lumber was worth they will do so and laugh all the way to the bank. That's not to say that you need to take them across for huge damages, but you certainly deserve what the timber was worth plus a little extra for your trouble.

JPCJ: The issue here is not whether they were "just a couple of tree's" or whether they will grow back. The issue is theft/destruction of his personal property. Maybe it was just an honest mistake. But if there was a survey line marked it is also very possible that they decided to take the tree's anyway even though there was possibly some doubt figureing either he wouldn't squawk, or if he did that they could buy him off cheap and still make a tidy profit on the lumber. Either way the logging company is responsible for making sure they are not on someone elses land before they rev up the chainsaw. When they err, they are responsible to pay reasonable damages, plain and simple.

Mo · 10-14-2005, 11:36 PM

how long until Toyota Jim shows up?

jstandle · 10-14-2005, 11:40 PM

I'd be pissed as hell. Call the authorities and take their asses to court.

mudslinger99 · 10-14-2005, 11:59 PM

If in fact they cut trees that were on your property you are entitled to compensation.. Depending on the extent, it could turn out to be quite a bit of money.. The logging company is responsible to look at the county records of the survey and land plots BEFORE they do any cutting.. I have a couple buddies of mine (2 brothers) that are in the logging business, so I have a little knowledge of how it works..

This type of situation doesn't happen often but when it does it can cost a lot of money out of their pocket.. In fact it happened to a logging company around here not to long ago and my buddy was telling me how much it cost.. They did everything correct except let the new guy they hired do some cutting and he crossed the property line but even though it was an honest mistake they had to pay for it.. Just so you know they are responsible for more than just what the price of the tree would bring at the mill..

So my suggestion is to contact the head man in charge of the company that did the cutting and ask him what does he plan to do about it.. If he seems uncooperative then the next step is to find out who he was working for whether it be a mill or a private contract.. It might be in your best interest to have another logger come in and give you an assessment of the damages so you have a better idea of what to expect.. I don't think you should try to break it off in them if it was an honest mistake but you are due a fair amount due to property damage..

Schly · 10-15-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jpcj

fork off greenie.

Idiot.

BTW, OP, I'd be looking for financial compensation WELL over simple market value. Those trees are worth more to you standing than cut.

FourBanger · 10-15-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo

how long until Toyota Jim shows up?

I was wondering that as soon as he said his tree stand was taken down.

Rockcrusher · 10-15-2005, 02:40 AM

Two scenarios come to mind . . .

1. The fallers were gyppo loggers who figured they could make a few more bucks by "accidently" going over the property line and scaling a few extra board feet. Getting anything out of these types will be like pissing into the wind.

2. If the logging was done by a company operation, the company didn't do their homework. I don't know about your area, but out here, logging operators have to be bonded. This is to cover themselves in case of a situation like yours.

Good luck!

BUZZISCRAZY2 · 10-15-2005, 06:38 AM

In these parts its like $500 a tree................

Travis Waldher · 10-15-2005, 06:56 AM

Dude... did you contact the COUNTY after or before you bought this land?

Just because you had someone go out there and survey your land putting orange tape out there won't mean shit to the logging company unless they are told well in advance.

Why? because long before you showed up they had already surveyed it to determine where to start/stop cutting. Your orange ribbons, that were kinda easy to see won't mean anything to the logger when he comes through. Afterall ANYONE could have put those ribbons there. Many times... the survey work they do can be a year in advance of the cut.

I'm not saying that makes what they did right, it makes it a fawkup. Contact the logging company, be polite and start discussing the issue, becuase honestly, you most likely shoulder some of the blame.

themaddhatter · 10-15-2005, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Waldher

and start discussing the issue, becuase honestly, you most likely shoulder some of the blame.

Yeah BoJack, it is all your fault for buying land and expecting people to leave it the fawk alone

You were supposed to cut a 2' break straight down your property line, install 20' fences with lights and cameras, and multi-lingual signs telling them to please not assrape my land and steal my 100 year old trees

Go fucking commando on the logger's equipment. Blow all his shit up and burn the logyard to the the fawking ground muaahahahahahahah

Realistically, if you don't get something out of the loggers, what about nailing the County to replant your land and maybe build you a gaddam fence since they are such shitty neighbors?

chris408 · 10-15-2005, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoJack

A VERY nice view, well was until they logged it, which I have no say in and understand that.

if you understand it, then why are you questioning it? or am i reading you wrong?

Joe_W · 10-15-2005, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schulze

I would have them pay you what they receive for your timber.
The logger should have exact records. We have some land in Oregon that was thinned a bit and it generated some decent revenue. Good luck.
Pip

Quote:

Originally Posted by schulze

Yes they do. And the ones that were cut are worth *his* money.
Pip

Figured you'd have some input on this. I'd hate to be the logger that "accidently" took some of your trees

10-14-2005, 10:54 PM	#1
BoJack Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 29835 Location: Bemidji, Minnesota Posts: 34	Fawking loggers.... Early this summer I bought 10 acres of land that borders 100's of acres of County land. A VERY nice view, well was until they logged it, which I have no say in and understand that. Today I walked back there (I have deer stands along some trails) , well what use to be my stands. 1 was knocked down, tree gone of course, and a total of 20 large Oaks are gone, they were very old and I would say from 2' wide to 3' wide. Before I bought this land it was surveyed and ribbons (orange, kinda EASY to see) were placed every 50'. Just to be sure I GPS's every corner which had stakes, and yeah they did it. Not to mention many many smaller trees. Before it was surveyed this year, the old property line was marked by red paint on some trees, obviously they followed this line, whereas the real line was out 20' from the old line. Why in the hell wouldnt they have asked me before cutting, I mean the NEW ribbons were obvious. I think Im going to call them Monday and have them deliver some lumber, I dont think they will have any chioce in this request... Last edited by BoJack; 10-15-2005 at 03:42 PM.

10-14-2005, 10:59 PM	#3
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: The basement Posts: 14,569	dude, they logged his land __________________ nothing on ebay justadad

10-14-2005, 11:02 PM	#4
Drunk tank Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11727 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,465	fawk that shit! those fools OWE you SOMETHING! Id be fire ant pissed if i was in your boots! __________________ [COLOR=Yellow]HOLLA! BITCHES COME![/COLOR] [COLOR=pink]Live like a movie star, Party like a rock star, Fuck like a porn star![/COLOR]

10-14-2005, 11:21 PM	#12
jpcj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25470 Posts: 121	if 20 trees (according to his post) ruined his "view" on 10 acres..... then ya, lay all the fawking bark chips you want. I can understand taking what is not rightfully yours. It sucks.... But whos survey is correct? His GPS or the original lot line? Get off your high horsies.... If you had ten trees on your property and they took five, sure be mad. Maybe he should clarify the whole different lot line aspect here, maybe I am looking at it all wrong. EDIT, ok reread.... resurveyed this year, I was thinking he meant his GPS readings were his survey.... Last edited by jpcj; 10-14-2005 at 11:22 PM.

10-14-2005, 11:34 PM	#14
SteveZ59 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 24992 Location: Sch. Hvn., PA Posts: 151	Definitely get after the lumber company. If they cut tree's on your property they can & will pay you damages. If it's a logging company of any size they probably have a right of way department that handles this sort of thing. Make sure that you know exactly how many tree's they cut and what the approximate size are. If at all possible you want to find out independently what those tree's were worth before you accept the damages from the lumber company. They will not pay you any more then they have to in order to make the issue go away. If they can get off cheap and pay you a fraction of what the lumber was worth they will do so and laugh all the way to the bank. That's not to say that you need to take them across for huge damages, but you certainly deserve what the timber was worth plus a little extra for your trouble. JPCJ: The issue here is not whether they were "just a couple of tree's" or whether they will grow back. The issue is theft/destruction of his personal property. Maybe it was just an honest mistake. But if there was a survey line marked it is also very possible that they decided to take the tree's anyway even though there was possibly some doubt figureing either he wouldn't squawk, or if he did that they could buy him off cheap and still make a tidy profit on the lumber. Either way the logging company is responsible for making sure they are not on someone elses land before they rev up the chainsaw. When they err, they are responsible to pay reasonable damages, plain and simple. __________________ 5.9 ZJ on 31's - Wife's DD. '94 YJ - RE 4.5XD, 1" BL, Waggy 44's, 4.88's, ARB's & 35's.

10-14-2005, 10:56 PM	#2
jpcj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25470 Posts: 121	fork off greenie.

10-14-2005, 11:03 PM	#6
jpcj Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25470 Posts: 121	true, but whats 20' on ten acres? Contrary to popular belief, trees DO grow back.

10-14-2005, 11:30 PM	#13
BoJack Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 29835 Location: Bemidji, Minnesota Posts: 34	jpcj, 6 months ago, the guy that sold me this land paid $8000 to have the land surveyed. Now those ribbons are gone for one, so the land I bought is now no longer marked. I would think this also brings down my land value. As for ruining my view, well obviously your either a logger or know some, these huge Oaks are a view. Ill take pictures tomorrow, My land borders a huge dropoff into a rivene, then a river and lake.

10-14-2005, 11:36 PM	#15
Mo Everyday is Tuesday. Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 47 Location: The basement Posts: 14,569	how long until Toyota Jim shows up? __________________ nothing on ebay justadad

10-14-2005, 11:40 PM	#16
jstandle Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17130 Location: Eastern Oregon Posts: 806	I'd be pissed as hell. Call the authorities and take their asses to court. __________________ >>>>>> Jordan >>>>>>

10-14-2005, 11:59 PM	#17
mudslinger99 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 37519 Location: here Posts: 1,255	If in fact they cut trees that were on your property you are entitled to compensation.. Depending on the extent, it could turn out to be quite a bit of money.. The logging company is responsible to look at the county records of the survey and land plots BEFORE they do any cutting.. I have a couple buddies of mine (2 brothers) that are in the logging business, so I have a little knowledge of how it works.. This type of situation doesn't happen often but when it does it can cost a lot of money out of their pocket.. In fact it happened to a logging company around here not to long ago and my buddy was telling me how much it cost.. They did everything correct except let the new guy they hired do some cutting and he crossed the property line but even though it was an honest mistake they had to pay for it.. Just so you know they are responsible for more than just what the price of the tree would bring at the mill.. So my suggestion is to contact the head man in charge of the company that did the cutting and ask him what does he plan to do about it.. If he seems uncooperative then the next step is to find out who he was working for whether it be a mill or a private contract.. It might be in your best interest to have another logger come in and give you an assessment of the damages so you have a better idea of what to expect.. I don't think you should try to break it off in them if it was an honest mistake but you are due a fair amount due to property damage.. __________________ [COLOR="Black"]..............[/COLOR]/´¯/) [COLOR="Black"]............[/COLOR],/¯../ [COLOR="Black"]...........[/COLOR]/..../ [COLOR="Black"].....[/COLOR]/´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ [COLOR="Black"]..[/COLOR]/'/.../..../......./¨¯\ [COLOR="Black"].[/COLOR]('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') [COLOR="Black"]....[/COLOR]\.................'...../ [COLOR="Black"]......[/COLOR]''...\.......... _.·´ [COLOR="Black"].......[/COLOR]\..............( [COLOR="Black"].........[/COLOR]\.............\

10-15-2005, 02:40 AM	#20
Rockcrusher Registered User Join Date: Jul 2000 Member # 1372 Location: Just east of Tahoe Posts: 1,490	Two scenarios come to mind . . . 1. The fallers were gyppo loggers who figured they could make a few more bucks by "accidently" going over the property line and scaling a few extra board feet. Getting anything out of these types will be like pissing into the wind. 2. If the logging was done by a company operation, the company didn't do their homework. I don't know about your area, but out here, logging operators have to be bonded. This is to cover themselves in case of a situation like yours. Good luck! __________________ Rockcrusher My home may be a gun-free zone . . . Care to gamble?

10-15-2005, 06:38 AM	#21
BUZZISCRAZY2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17399 Location: oxford wi Posts: 1,539	In these parts its like $500 a tree................

10-15-2005, 06:56 AM	#22
Travis Waldher Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4878 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 6,358	Dude... did you contact the COUNTY after or before you bought this land? Just because you had someone go out there and survey your land putting orange tape out there won't mean shit to the logging company unless they are told well in advance. Why? because long before you showed up they had already surveyed it to determine where to start/stop cutting. Your orange ribbons, that were kinda easy to see won't mean anything to the logger when he comes through. Afterall ANYONE could have put those ribbons there. Many times... the survey work they do can be a year in advance of the cut. I'm not saying that makes what they did right, it makes it a fawkup. Contact the logging company, be polite and start discussing the issue, becuase honestly, you most likely shoulder some of the blame. Last edited by Travis Waldher; 10-15-2005 at 06:57 AM.

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