Taking back Christmas

Gen. Nonsense · 12-10-2005, 08:34 AM

From here

Americans demanding end to generic holiday
Sensitivity has taken the fun from Christmas, many say

Jaimee Rose
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 10, 2005 12:00 AM

If this were allowed to continue, we'd soon be stringing "holiday" lights on the "holiday" tree, wishing each other "Merry Winter" and going "celebration" shopping at the department store's Seasons' Greetings sale.

But now, after years of all this "holiday" grinching, Americans are revolting and demanding Christmas back.

This week, fury erupted after the White House Christmas card omitted the word Christmas yet again, including wishes instead for a happy "holiday season."

Retailers facing boycotts over a lack of Christmas signage have caved, with Lowe's agreeing to take down "holiday tree" signs and Target on Friday agreeing to use "Christmas" in its advertisements.

The glittering spruce on the Capitol lawn in Washington reclaimed its Christmas tree title this year after a decade as a generic "holiday" monument.

Even Sheriff Joe Arpaio joined the fray, announcing Thursday that he'll be playing religious holiday music all day, every day in Tent City Jail and other Maricopa County Sheriff's Office jails. He'll include songs by the Chipmunks for the atheists, he says.

The so-called "war on Christmas"(and there's even a thusly titled new book) has been stewing for years. But now, with both activists and average Joes digging in their Christmas stocking heels, with the beginning of Hanukkah sharing Dec. 25 with Christmas, this seems to be the year we're going to have it out.

And when 96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas, according to a Fox News poll, many people are left wondering why there just can't be peace on Earth.

"This should be a great time of year. Everybody should be happy," says Gilbert Mayor Steve Berman, an anomalous politician who rebuffs politically correct holiday pleasantries in favor of "Mayor-ry Christmas" cards. "If you take these things too seriously, you lose a lot of the fun."

Wary Christmas
But in a rapidly diversifying America, we are rushing to be politically correct and sensitive, and often appropriately so. We've sidestepped our habits of "letting these mainstream cultures steamroll over everything else," says Robert Thompson, a professor of popular culture at Syracuse University in New York. "Christmas was not immune to that."

Over the past 30 years, he says, America's December holidays indeed have evolved: Menorahs are displayed in public places and Kwanzaa was created in 1966 and added to the calendar.

In 2001, we had the first holiday postage stamp honoring Eid, an Islamic festival marking the end of Ramadan.

And somewhere along the line, Christmas almost became an insensitive word.

Disputes about Christmas are practically older than Christmas itself, Thompson notes. The winter celebration we consider Christmas was originally a pagan custom predating Christ. Gifts were given, candles lit and evergreens hung to honor the winter solstice.

The holiday morphed into Christmas around A.D. 300, when Roman Emperor Constantine assigned the holiday a Christian meaning and latched it onto a very popular existing celebration.

Additionally, religious scholars agree that Jesus Christ was likely born in the spring, not on Dec. 25.

However, it is "the American tradition" to honor this day as the birthday of Christ, says Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association in Tupelo, Miss. "And whether it actually is or not is irrelevant. It's the fact that there is a day set aside to commemorate that event."

The Christmas quest
And so Wildmon will continue on his organization's quest to put "Christmas" back into the holiday season. The group is behind the consumer boycotts of retailers like Target and Sears that downplay Christmas in advertisements and in-store displays.

This year, 700,000 people joined the Target boycott, Wildmon says, and the retailer acquiesced. After hearing from the association, Sears and Lowe's stores put Christmas back on signs. Next year, Wildmon is expecting more Christmas cheer from Wal-Mart.

"Let's don't change everything to be generic," Wildmon says. "Kids don't run downstairs at 5 a.m. on New Year's Day. People buy Christmas gifts. They go Christmas shopping. This is the Christmas season, and we don't need to purge it from our stores and our schools and the culture of the public."

He also criticizes things like the "winter program" at an elementary school in Dodgeville, Wis. The event featured the familiar lilting notes of Silent Night, with a new name and new lyrics. Cold in the Night goes like this: "Cold in the night, no one in sight, winter winds whirl and bite."

Should anyone have wished to complain about this attack on Christmas, there's a Scottsdale-based national network of more than 800 attorneys "poised to fight the battle for Christmas," says Jeremy Tedesco, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, which trains lawyers nationally on Christmas-related litigation.

"It's ridiculous that we have to be even debating in our society if it's OK to say 'Merry Christmas,'" Tedesco says. "Congress says Christmas is a federal holiday. The Supreme Court has never said you can't say 'Merry Christmas.' Schools can call 'winter break' 'Christmas break.' They can include sacred music in holiday programs."

This year, the Alliance Defense Fund mitigated a case involving a public library in Memphis, Tenn., that was allowing a Nativity to be displayed provided the religious icons of Joseph, Mary and the Baby Jesus were omitted. The holy family has since been allowed back under the roof.

There is still, however, that argument for sensitivity.

"It's not about discriminating against Christians by not saying 'Merry Christmas,' " says Dawn Wyland, interim director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona. "It's about being inclusive by saying 'happy holidays.' "

You've got mail
That's the mailbox wisdom of politicians from President Bush to Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, whose annual greeting wishes the "happiest of holiday seasons" to a mailing list 8,000 strong. (Hallmark, by the way, reports that "Merry Christmas" wishes still represent the majority of the 2,200 cards the company offers each year.)

"When elected officials send out cards," says Scott Phelps, a spokesman for Gordon, "it's always been a 'holiday' card because you're elected by folks of all faiths."

Such thought is appreciated by people like Phoenix resident Arthur Lazar, who gets so incensed when wished a "Merry Christmas" that he wishes a "Happy Hanukkah" right back.

"They laugh or storm off," says Lazar, 51. "I'm Jewish, and the point is I want people to realize that not everybody celebrates Christmas."

But when Michelle Hawkins tries offering "happy holidays" to her clients at Creative Quest in Glendale, "some of them have been saying, 'No, you mean 'Merry Christmas," says Hawkins, 57, of Goodyear.

Things have gotten worse this year, she says. The paper-arts store hosted a holiday cardmaking event and faced a revolt when each of the 10 samples said "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

"Our customers are upset about this Christmas thing," she says. "They say you should be able to say 'Merry Christmas,' and I agree, but you can't always know."

And thus it is that Phoenix chef Mark Tarbell sends out his annual holiday card to clients with neutral goodwill. Past favorites include "Season's Eatings," and "Scatter Joy."

This year, "we don't have a saying yet because we're doing an e-mail card," Tarbell says. "We're going to save trees, man."

Honestly, Tarbell adds, "I am not opposed to saying 'Christmas.' It is what it is."

He then placed a reporter on hold for 90 seconds while he consulted with his "legal counsel" over whether or not that was OK to say out loud.

DaGimp · 12-10-2005, 08:52 AM

As long people will tolerate comercials like "when you think of love, think rogers". As in the local diamond shops.

What a crock of shit, so now love=shiney rocks? I guess if you dont buy your love shiney rocks you dont love them

gipper · 12-10-2005, 09:01 AM

sheriff and music thing is hilarious.

President can say happy holidays. He's sending that card to thousands of people who are Jews and Muslims. Perfectly acceptable.

wtf is a holiday tree anyway? I know what a Christmas tree is, but what exactly is the function of a New Year's tree?

gipper · 12-10-2005, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGimp

As long people will tolerate comercials like "when you think of love, think rogers". As in the local diamond shops.

What at crock of shit, so now love=shiney rocks? I guess if you dont buy your love shiney rocks you dont love them

every kiss begins with kay.

as unique as you are.

because you don't want a ring like everyone else's.

I hate diamond dealers. I'm wanting to punch one in the face right now.

Haole · 12-10-2005, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGimp

As long people will tolerate comercials like "when you think of love, think rogers". As in the local diamond shops.

What at crock of shit, so now love=shiney rocks? I guess if you dont buy your love shiney rocks you dont love them

Funny, that not what I think of when I think of love. I think of othering vexing things...

Gen. Nonsense · 12-10-2005, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGimp

As long people will tolerate comercials like "when you think of love, think rogers". As in the local diamond shops.

What at crock of shit, so now love=shiney rocks? I guess if you dont buy your love shiney rocks you dont love them

WTF do rocks have to do with cards that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"? You didnt read the whole article did you?

APRILRAZZ · 12-10-2005, 12:39 PM

Even Sheriff Joe Arpaio joined the fray, announcing Thursday that he'll be playing religious holiday music all day, every day in Tent City Jail and other Maricopa County Sheriff's Office jails. He'll include songs by the Chipmunks for the atheists, he says.

That's some funny $hit!!!!

DaGimp · 12-10-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gen. Nonsense

WTF do rocks have to do with cards that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"? You didnt read the whole article did you?

Guilty

I didnt read very much, I thought it was taking back X-mas from the retailers and making it a famiy holiday again

I am not christian, but that is completely stupid.

Gen. Nonsense · 12-10-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGimp

Guilty

I didnt read very much, I thought it was taking back X-mas from the retailers and making it a famiy holiday again

I am not christian, but that is compeletly stupid.

Moab Austin · 12-10-2005, 02:58 PM

will sombody please start an organization for the "shut the fuck up dumbass" cause..I am so sick of people bitching about things that everybody likes..if you don't like what everyone else likes shut the fuck up.

I am not even christian at all and I like christmas because its christmas...its a word...a label... fuck people suck

I have webspace if anyone wants to seriously build a "shut hte fuck up whiney bitches" club

gipper · 12-10-2005, 03:56 PM

there's already a website for that.

It's on foxnews.com

it's a column called tongue tied.

12-10-2005, 08:34 AM	#1
Gen. Nonsense Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 18671 Location: BCC, AZ Posts: 935	Taking back Christmas From here Americans demanding end to generic holiday Sensitivity has taken the fun from Christmas, many say Jaimee Rose The Arizona Republic Dec. 10, 2005 12:00 AM If this were allowed to continue, we'd soon be stringing "holiday" lights on the "holiday" tree, wishing each other "Merry Winter" and going "celebration" shopping at the department store's Seasons' Greetings sale. But now, after years of all this "holiday" grinching, Americans are revolting and demanding Christmas back. This week, fury erupted after the White House Christmas card omitted the word Christmas yet again, including wishes instead for a happy "holiday season." Retailers facing boycotts over a lack of Christmas signage have caved, with Lowe's agreeing to take down "holiday tree" signs and Target on Friday agreeing to use "Christmas" in its advertisements. The glittering spruce on the Capitol lawn in Washington reclaimed its Christmas tree title this year after a decade as a generic "holiday" monument. Even Sheriff Joe Arpaio joined the fray, announcing Thursday that he'll be playing religious holiday music all day, every day in Tent City Jail and other Maricopa County Sheriff's Office jails. He'll include songs by the Chipmunks for the atheists, he says. The so-called "war on Christmas"(and there's even a thusly titled new book) has been stewing for years. But now, with both activists and average Joes digging in their Christmas stocking heels, with the beginning of Hanukkah sharing Dec. 25 with Christmas, this seems to be the year we're going to have it out. And when 96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas, according to a Fox News poll, many people are left wondering why there just can't be peace on Earth. "This should be a great time of year. Everybody should be happy," says Gilbert Mayor Steve Berman, an anomalous politician who rebuffs politically correct holiday pleasantries in favor of "Mayor-ry Christmas" cards. "If you take these things too seriously, you lose a lot of the fun." Wary Christmas But in a rapidly diversifying America, we are rushing to be politically correct and sensitive, and often appropriately so. We've sidestepped our habits of "letting these mainstream cultures steamroll over everything else," says Robert Thompson, a professor of popular culture at Syracuse University in New York. "Christmas was not immune to that." Over the past 30 years, he says, America's December holidays indeed have evolved: Menorahs are displayed in public places and Kwanzaa was created in 1966 and added to the calendar. In 2001, we had the first holiday postage stamp honoring Eid, an Islamic festival marking the end of Ramadan. And somewhere along the line, Christmas almost became an insensitive word. Disputes about Christmas are practically older than Christmas itself, Thompson notes. The winter celebration we consider Christmas was originally a pagan custom predating Christ. Gifts were given, candles lit and evergreens hung to honor the winter solstice. The holiday morphed into Christmas around A.D. 300, when Roman Emperor Constantine assigned the holiday a Christian meaning and latched it onto a very popular existing celebration. Additionally, religious scholars agree that Jesus Christ was likely born in the spring, not on Dec. 25. However, it is "the American tradition" to honor this day as the birthday of Christ, says Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association in Tupelo, Miss. "And whether it actually is or not is irrelevant. It's the fact that there is a day set aside to commemorate that event." The Christmas quest And so Wildmon will continue on his organization's quest to put "Christmas" back into the holiday season. The group is behind the consumer boycotts of retailers like Target and Sears that downplay Christmas in advertisements and in-store displays. This year, 700,000 people joined the Target boycott, Wildmon says, and the retailer acquiesced. After hearing from the association, Sears and Lowe's stores put Christmas back on signs. Next year, Wildmon is expecting more Christmas cheer from Wal-Mart. "Let's don't change everything to be generic," Wildmon says. "Kids don't run downstairs at 5 a.m. on New Year's Day. People buy Christmas gifts. They go Christmas shopping. This is the Christmas season, and we don't need to purge it from our stores and our schools and the culture of the public." He also criticizes things like the "winter program" at an elementary school in Dodgeville, Wis. The event featured the familiar lilting notes of Silent Night, with a new name and new lyrics. Cold in the Night goes like this: "Cold in the night, no one in sight, winter winds whirl and bite." Should anyone have wished to complain about this attack on Christmas, there's a Scottsdale-based national network of more than 800 attorneys "poised to fight the battle for Christmas," says Jeremy Tedesco, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, which trains lawyers nationally on Christmas-related litigation. "It's ridiculous that we have to be even debating in our society if it's OK to say 'Merry Christmas,'" Tedesco says. "Congress says Christmas is a federal holiday. The Supreme Court has never said you can't say 'Merry Christmas.' Schools can call 'winter break' 'Christmas break.' They can include sacred music in holiday programs." This year, the Alliance Defense Fund mitigated a case involving a public library in Memphis, Tenn., that was allowing a Nativity to be displayed provided the religious icons of Joseph, Mary and the Baby Jesus were omitted. The holy family has since been allowed back under the roof. There is still, however, that argument for sensitivity. "It's not about discriminating against Christians by not saying 'Merry Christmas,' " says Dawn Wyland, interim director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona. "It's about being inclusive by saying 'happy holidays.' " You've got mail That's the mailbox wisdom of politicians from President Bush to Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, whose annual greeting wishes the "happiest of holiday seasons" to a mailing list 8,000 strong. (Hallmark, by the way, reports that "Merry Christmas" wishes still represent the majority of the 2,200 cards the company offers each year.) "When elected officials send out cards," says Scott Phelps, a spokesman for Gordon, "it's always been a 'holiday' card because you're elected by folks of all faiths." Such thought is appreciated by people like Phoenix resident Arthur Lazar, who gets so incensed when wished a "Merry Christmas" that he wishes a "Happy Hanukkah" right back. "They laugh or storm off," says Lazar, 51. "I'm Jewish, and the point is I want people to realize that not everybody celebrates Christmas." But when Michelle Hawkins tries offering "happy holidays" to her clients at Creative Quest in Glendale, "some of them have been saying, 'No, you mean 'Merry Christmas," says Hawkins, 57, of Goodyear. Things have gotten worse this year, she says. The paper-arts store hosted a holiday cardmaking event and faced a revolt when each of the 10 samples said "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas." "Our customers are upset about this Christmas thing," she says. "They say you should be able to say 'Merry Christmas,' and I agree, but you can't always know." And thus it is that Phoenix chef Mark Tarbell sends out his annual holiday card to clients with neutral goodwill. Past favorites include "Season's Eatings," and "Scatter Joy." This year, "we don't have a saying yet because we're doing an e-mail card," Tarbell says. "We're going to save trees, man." Honestly, Tarbell adds, "I am not opposed to saying 'Christmas.' It is what it is." He then placed a reporter on hold for 90 seconds while he consulted with his "legal counsel" over whether or not that was OK to say out loud. __________________ no sig

12-10-2005, 09:01 AM	#3
gipper Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19304 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 734	sheriff and music thing is hilarious. President can say happy holidays. He's sending that card to thousands of people who are Jews and Muslims. Perfectly acceptable. wtf is a holiday tree anyway? I know what a Christmas tree is, but what exactly is the function of a New Year's tree? __________________ For sale: 1984 CJ7 ... 4.10's, superwinch hubs, more.

12-10-2005, 12:39 PM	#7
APRILRAZZ Smells like bacon Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19565 Location: VA not CA Posts: 493	Even Sheriff Joe Arpaio joined the fray, announcing Thursday that he'll be playing religious holiday music all day, every day in Tent City Jail and other Maricopa County Sheriff's Office jails. He'll include songs by the Chipmunks for the atheists, he says. That's some funny $hit!!!! __________________ But a constitution of government, once changed from freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever.-John Adams

12-10-2005, 02:58 PM	#10
Moab Austin Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3475 Location: Moab UT U.S.A Posts: 2,970	will sombody please start an organization for the "shut the fuck up dumbass" cause..I am so sick of people bitching about things that everybody likes..if you don't like what everyone else likes shut the fuck up. I am not even christian at all and I like christmas because its christmas...its a word...a label... fuck people suck I have webspace if anyone wants to seriously build a "shut hte fuck up whiney bitches" club __________________ FREE LED LIGHT http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851171 RC CAR Parts http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851196 ELECTRONICS DEALS.. examples at http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=830142 Custom Gauges - Billet hotrod parts - Suspension -Batteries-Camera-Car Audio-GPS-Security-Photo-Appliances - Telecom Tvs-Video Game

12-10-2005, 03:56 PM	#11
gipper Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19304 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 734	there's already a website for that. It's on foxnews.com it's a column called tongue tied. __________________ For sale: 1984 CJ7 ... 4.10's, superwinch hubs, more.

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