Those of you that are against the war in Iraq

[APRILRAZZ]

Please print this thread and shove it up your "Oil War" asses. That is if there is room in there beside your heads.
http://passthebrass.com/2005/11/ends...ing-the-means/
Mom,

Be my voice. I want this message heard. It is mine and my platoon’s to the country. A man I know lost his legs the other night. He is in another company in our battalion. I can no longer be silent after watching the sacrifices made by Iraqis and Americans everyday .Send it to a congressman if you have to. Send it to FOX news if you have to. Let this message be heard please…

My fellow Americans, I have a task for those with the courage and fortitude to take it. I have a message that needs not fall on deaf ears. A vision the blind need to see. I am not a political man nor one with great wisdom. I am just a soldier who finds himself helping rebuild a country that he helped liberate a couple years ago.
I have watched on television how the American public questions why their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters are fighting and dying in a country 9000 miles away from their own soil. Take the word of a soldier, for that is all I am, that our cause is a noble one. The reason we are here is one worth fighting for. A cause that has been the most costly and sought after cause in our small span of existence on our little planet. Bought in blood and paid for by those brave enough to give the ultimate sacrifice to obtain it. A right that is given to every man, woman, and child I believe by God. I am talking of freedom.

Freedom. One word but yet countless words could never capture it’s true meaning or power. “For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.” I read that once and it couldn’t be more true. It’s not the average Americans fault that he or she is “blind and deaf” to the taste of freedom. Most Americans are born into their God given right so it is all they ever know. I was once one of them. I would even dare to say that it isn’t surprising that they take for granted what they have had all their life. My experiences in the military however opened my eyes to the truth.

Ironically you will find the biggest outcries of opposition to our cause from those who have had no military experience and haven’t had to fight for freedom. I challenge all of those who are daring enough to question such a noble cause to come here for just a month and see it first hand. I have a feeling that many voices would be silenced.

I watched Cindy Sheehan sit on the President’s lawn and say that America isn’t worth dying for. Later she corrected herself and said Iraq isn’t worth dying for. She badmouthed all that her son had fought and died for. I bet he is rolling over in his grave.

Ladies and gentleman I ask you this. What if you lived in a country that wasn’t free? What if someone told you when you could have heat, electricity, and water? What if you had no sewage systems so human waste flowed into the streets? What if someone would kill you for bad-mouthing your government? What if you weren’t allowed to watch TV, connect to the internet, or have cell phones unless under extreme censorship? What if you couldn’t put shoes on your child’s feet?

You need not to have a great understanding of the world but rather common sense to realize that it is our duty as HUMAN BEINGS to free the oppressed. If you lived that way would you not want someone to help you????

The Iraqi’s pour into the streets to wave at us and when we liberated the cities during the war they gathered in the thousands to cheer, hug and kiss us. It was what the soldier’s in WW2 experienced, yet no one questioned their cause!! Saddam was no better than Hitler! He tortured and killed thousands of innocent people. We are heroes over here, yet Americans badmouth our President for having us here.

Every police station here has a dozen or more memorials for officers that were murdered trying to ensure that their people live free. These are husbands, fathers, and sons killed every day. What if it were your country? What would your choice be? Everything we fight for is worth the blood that may be shed. The media never reports the true HEROISM I witness everyday in the Iraqi’s. Yes there are bad ones here, but I assure you they are a minuscule percent. Yet they are a number big enough to cause worry in this country’s future.
I have watched brave souls give their all and lose their lives and limbs for this cause. I will no longer stand silent and let the “deaf and blind” be the only voice shouting. Stonewall Jackson once said, “All that I have, all that I am is at the service of the country.” For these brave souls who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including your son Cindy Sheehan, I will shout till I can no longer. These men and women are heroes. Their spirit lives on in their military and they will never be forgotten. They did not die in vain but rather for a cause that is larger than all of us.

My fellow countrymen and women, we are not overseas for our country alone but also another. We are here to spread democracy and freedom to those who KNOW the true taste of it because they fight for it everyday. You can see the desire in their eyes and I am honored to fight alongside them as an Infantryman in the 101st Airborne.

Freedom is not free, but yet it is everyone's right to have. Ironic isn’t it? That is why we are here. Though you will always have the skeptics, I know that most of our military will agree with this message. Please, at the request of this soldier spread this message to all you know. We are in Operation Iraqi Freedom and that is our goal. It is a cause that I and thousands of others stand ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice for because, Cindy Sheehan, freedom is worth dying for, no matter what country it is! And after the world is free only then can we hope to have peace.

SGT Walter J. Rausch and 1st Platoon
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)

[ouibus]

Amazingly well said.

Thanks for posting this Bev.

[APRILRAZZ]

For those of you who say that his words are not true I can tell you it is the same thing that I hear from my Marines here at NNMC.
Besides people should know what is really going on over there because god knows the media will never tell you

[APRILRAZZ]

Originally Posted by ouibus

Amazingly well said.

Thanks for posting this Bev.

You are quite welcome

[Spawn_X]

Oh please, the same could be said about the complete opposite.

Fact: There are bigger/more reasons for us being in Iraq than the "weapons of mass destruction" or oil.
Fact: We'll never find out what they were. At least in this lifetime

Lets go ahead and lose American soldiers' lives, trillions of dollars, and everything else to "free" one specific country and most Americans couldn't even give a fuck about. - What a crock of shit. There's tons of places all over the world where life is shitty and people are not free. We did not go in there to "free" them - the word freedom wasn't used in the beginning of all this, but "weapons of mass destruction" were. Now the WOMD are forgotten about and we're here to "free" the people.

to him for fighting for his country and believing in what he does, but if that's not a narrow-minded, completely inside the box, brainwashed by the military (no offense to any of you folks) individual, I don't know who is.

And just to set a few things straight:
I do NOT know the real reason for anything. And I don't think anyone here does. However I'm confident that blunt truth is NOT laid out on the table in front of everyone
I DO think that Iraq has WOMD. However I think the US is naive to think we could find a grain of salt in a sandbox.
I AM for giving a country/people "freedom", but this isn't what its about.
I have the most respect and care for the guys (especially younger ones) who're serving.

Flame away.

[APRILRAZZ]

Spawny you just don't get it. But you like a lot of people can only rely on what the media gives you. Talk to some of these guys and girls that have been there and they will tell you the real story.
I still don't understand why Iraq selling their oil on the free market is worse than the oil for food scam that was only lining the pockets of Saddam and his buddies in the UN. How does this not benefit them?

[Spawn_X]

Bev, so what is the reason then? From the letter you posted, it seems "freedom of the iraqi people" is the only reason

[1bgdog]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/wa...rtner=homepage

Interesting article about our soldiers over there.

[APRILRAZZ]

Originally Posted by Spawn_X

Bev, so what is the reason then? From the letter you posted, it seems "freedom of the iraqi people" is the only reason

Ask those who have been there. Plenty on this board. All I can tell you is what we are doing over there. Is there no good in what is happening there? All I know is that there are millions of people that have a chance at a decent life over there. And we are doing it better than that fiasco in Somalia. Why can't that be a good reason?
And yes I do think that there was a connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. By liberating the Iraqi people we have created another ally in the middle east. I also think that the sneaky bastard was hiding WMDs that are probably still out in the desert. Hell they found a bunch of fighter jets that had been in the sand not to far from a US military camp. By taking him out what have we possibly avoided?
As far as the officers that are bitching about Rumsfeld they are in the minority.

[APRILRAZZ]

And Spawny please realise that in 6 months time I could be floating somewhere in the Gulf supporting that mission. I believe what we are doing over there is the right thing and there are millions of Iraqis that agree with me.

[Spawn_X]

Originally Posted by APRILRAZZ

By liberating the Iraqi people we have created another ally in the middle east.

That makes more sense / reason for us being there... Not freeing up the people, the US could give a shit about those (because there's tons of other places that could be helped 50x more with 1000x less), but taking him out so we could place bases there.

Catch my logic yet? and no, I'm not high..

[Spawn_X]

Originally Posted by APRILRAZZ

And Spawny please realise that in 6 months time I could be floating somewhere in the Gulf supporting that mission.

I prefer you walk than float there and cheers to you for doing that.

I am just a firm believer that the true reasons are being masked with something else, like the "freedom". However that's still ok, because even though its not the real reason, it still benefits the people, and I'm all for that.

[KiGrind]

You hit it home with this write. I'm gonna email it to Fox about 80 times just to see what they think. MIght be there spam blocker. Fuck those stupid anti war soccer moms. Its really sick to hear them bitch.


There was a few Marines that came into my work last week and they said the news here was a joke cause they had no clue what was going on over in Iraq.



And my favorite question to ask these anti war for oil people is, were is the fucking oil we are fighting for if we really are? That usually shuts them up or gets them into pulling political bullshit out of every hole they have.

[4544x4]

Just emailed it to all 3 local staions here in Tucson.

[Spawn_X]

[Damage, Inc.]

Fuck oh dear....a bunch of gung-ho, invincible, 19-year olds know LITTLE about the politics about this bullshit war, hunny bunny. (/Pulp Fiction) Understand that is who you're 'quoting'. Pull your head out of your ass and look around. Marines are TRAINED to think little and be mission oriented. They don't call it the "US Military" for nothing...it's not the "US Pascifist Squad", for fuck's sake.

[preach]

I have accepted that we are there and need to take care of business now.

We did go there for all the wrong reasons though.

Bev, I hope we are out of there before you need to go.

[broncobuster37]

APRILRAZZ... Oohrah!

[ironpig70]

bev i'm against the war simply cause we didn't have just cause to go in the first place. and the US keeps putting it's noise where it doesn't belong and this is why we have problems and lastly we as a country go balls to the wall for a couple years and then withdrawl and it was wasted for what. look at korea, vietnam, bosnia, somalia, all ingagements we couldn't keep. tired of this 9-11 bullshit or was it wmd, or is it a freedom mission. fawk all that. it was about sadaam getting to much power and threatening the other countries and there oil. if sadaam was such a bad guy why did we support him??? i say fawk the middle east and the rest of the world and lets worry about america for once. and for the record i'm not anti solider i'm anti war. my complaints won't fall on our soliders doing their jobs but those who have sent them to war.

[BadGod]

I am not 'anti war'. War has it's place. War is needed to ensure peace.

My question is this.....what happened to Osama? Did we forget about him? Fuck Iraq. Sadam was not a danger to us. If he was, he would've done something long before this.

Why not focus on the original problem. That was Osama. Now, we (America) have pissed off a lot more people than we have helped. But don't worry, maybe we will attack Iran next. Oh, yeah that's it. Stretch the military out some more.

.I believe this war did start out being about WOMD. Now it's "freedom". Like Spawn said, "Who the fuck cares about the Iraqis?" I didn't stay up at night wondering if they will ever be free. Now I wonder if someday I might get drafted to go fight for them.

Maybe you should send that article to the Iraqis. They seem to be the ones that don't understand. You aren't fighting for my freedom


No disrespect to all the soldiers out there, but don't stamp your feet and tell me that I am un-American because I think this war is shit. Or that I have never fought in a war. I guess I think we (America) should be more worried about what's happening in this country before we start telling other countries how to be "free".

On a side note- I remember when bush got re-elected. He was going to all of these fancy balls that were paid for by his rich supporters. He and his wife would show up for like, 15 minutes and then leave to go to the next one. At the same time, soldiers were complaining they didn't have enough armor or supplies. The government would say they are short on money and blah blah....Now, I think that took some balls. Telling the soldiers that the government can't afford the proper supplies to keep them alive, but somehow the president can get enough money from his supporters to throw these lavish events. Why not tell them to buy some body armor or other things for the troops? Oh...wait, because that would've been the right thing to do.

I hope the next president can fix this country.

[creeperjeep]

I am against the war

[Spawn_X]

Screw the US Government. It does whatever the fuck it wants for its own benefit, masking its actions like its some kind of a fucking charity case. "We must free the Iraqis!" - bull-fucking-shit. They tried to sell it on WOMD, didn't work. Now lets try the pity card - Freedom for poor iraqi people!

US could give two shits about the people in some sandbox country. There's OTHER AGENDAS here people. But no, the word freedom gets mentioned, and everyone looks the other way.


Yeah, go ahead and send that letter to every news station. Its the first time ever a military person says that the war there is needed. Welcome to years ago

p.s. I personally would be proud of the US if they were truly there to help the "people". But the US doesn't give a fuck about the "people" and its just a mask to cover up the real reasons, which we'll never know, at least in this lifetime.

If we're such a generous country, how about we take a billion a year (not all that much in reality) and distribute it between 3rd world countries where people are dying of hunger?

[Spawn_X]

Oh, go ahead and call me a liberal. Make sure to lick my ass-crack afterwards though

[Bubba Ray Boudreaux]

Originally Posted by Damage, Inc.

Fuck oh dear....a bunch of gung-ho, invincible, 19-year olds know LITTLE about the politics about this bullshit war, hunny bunny. (/Pulp Fiction) Understand that is who you're 'quoting'. Pull your head out of your ass and look around. Marines are TRAINED to think little and be mission oriented. They don't call it the "US Military" for nothing...it's not the "US Pascifist Squad", for fuck's sake.

Someone has small penis syndrome.............................

[Bubba Ray Boudreaux]

Originally Posted by Damage, Inc.

Fuck oh dear....a bunch of gung-ho, invincible, 19-year olds know LITTLE about the politics about this bullshit war, hunny bunny. (/Pulp Fiction) Understand that is who you're 'quoting'. Pull your head out of your ass and look around. The United States Military is TRAINED to think little and be mission oriented. It's just some "can't get along douchebag REMF" that's in it for the college benefits that thinks otherwise. They don't call it the "US Military" for nothing...it's not the "US Pascifist Squad", for fuck's sake.

By the way, it's been changed to reflect the truth..................