legend class trucks. water in front tires

extreme spider · 10-10-2006, 07:12 PM

wondering if any legend class trucks run water in the front tires. if so how much. do not need to be on the money with weight or gallons. just wondering if they run water at all. i have asked around and am getting mixed information.

WBlackie · 10-10-2006, 07:15 PM

I don't run a ProMod car but most folks actually run steel shot instead of water. In my supermod car I usually run about 200-250 lbs in each front tire.

RUFF · 10-10-2006, 07:21 PM

In Aus Most Pro Mods are running some water in the Fronts. I know one that runs a little in the rear as well. When i competed in the 2005 season i ran water to the top of the rims up front and the bottom of the rims out back. Dave Camp has driven my rig for the 2006 season and i know he is running water in the front but not sure how much or if any in the rear.

RedBullJeep · 10-10-2006, 07:22 PM

Lead is illegal so if you do run it, you do run the risk of a penalty...many people now run steel but the term "lead" got so ingrained (like Frisbee vs. Flying Disc), some people continue to call it lead, even though it's not...right Weston?

We run ballast from RockStomper and or MRW so yes, we do run weight. Our personal use on the crawlers we run ranges from 150 total in the fronts to over 700 lbs in the fronts at certain events in our SuperMod. Never have we run more than 175 total in the Pro Mod...most of the time 90 in the left, 60 n the right...to help the torque lift of the left front on throttle climbs.

BUT, each crawler and team has their preference. Some prefer water, some prefer ballast such as shot or media (steel weight), some prefer nothing.

Best of luck on your set up!

Scott@Rockstomper · 10-10-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBullJeep

the term "lead" got so ingrained (like Frisbee vs. Flying Disc), some people continue to call it lead,

Heheh... I ran across a photo in one of the mags of shot in a tire, with rust discoloration visible in the pic, and "lead" in the caption.

Stuck in my mind because I even discussed with the photographer (it was one of my tires, being swapped for one without ballast) the whole water/lead/steel/empty tire philosophy.

To answer the actual question, yes, water is often used in ProMod rigs, but usually much less so than in SuperMods. Personally, at the last couple events, we ran light (anybody who knows what our rig weighs without ballast is laughing right now) but if an event is largely big steep climbs, ballast seems to help.

WBlackie · 10-10-2006, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBullJeep

Lead is illegal so if you do run it, you do run the risk of a penalty...many people now run steel but the term "lead" got so ingrained (like Frisbee vs. Flying Disc), some people continue to call it lead, even though it's not...right Weston?

I don't know what you are talking about Dustin. I clearly said steel, take a look

extreme spider · 10-10-2006, 08:23 PM

thanx for all the info. just trying to find set ups. we are making are way down to the super crawl in dec. and it will be are first time on a man made course. traveling from toronto ontario canada . want to be competitive when we get there.

StinkBug · 10-10-2006, 09:04 PM

Your best bet will be to just try it and see how the vehicle performs. The weight and type of ballast will vary depending on the vehicles weight, COG, suspension setup, balance, etc. Water is the easiest to experiment with, but also a little tricky to tune for both weight and PSI.

Dallas

Scout Dude · 10-10-2006, 09:07 PM

I ran shot in mine...I'll say more than 100lbs and less than 500lbs. Does that help?

extreme spider · 10-11-2006, 07:59 PM

any other good tips for man made courses.

JeepRecoveryTeam · 10-11-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by extreme spider

any other good tips for man made courses.

Traction is MUCH less of an issue on Manmade courses (as compared to natural) in my limited experience. If you don't need water for weight bias issues... don't use it.

pure-adrenaline · 10-11-2006, 09:09 PM

we run 125lbs steel shot in each of the front and half the tire filled in the rear.

REDROCK RACING · 10-16-2006, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WBlackie

I don't run a ProMod car but most folks actually run steel shot instead of water. In my supermod car I usually run about 200-250 lbs in each front tire.

Yer we run water all round Fronts are full rears about half full.Good thing with water is its cheap and easy to replace,bad thing is it will find it way out of a really small hole, you have a air leak you have a water leak,
onething no one has touched on is the extra load this weight puts on your driveline.Things that once were strong enough can become easlly broken if care is not taken,You will find out if your driveline is strong enough pretty quickly.

RedBullJeep · 10-16-2006, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme spider

any other good tips for man made courses.

Yes, on man-made, a tire with 1/2 or less tread on it is better than a new tire.

10-10-2006, 07:12 PM	#1
extreme spider hardcore Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17949 Location: ontario canada Posts: 80	legend class trucks. water in front tires wondering if any legend class trucks run water in the front tires. if so how much. do not need to be on the money with weight or gallons. just wondering if they run water at all. i have asked around and am getting mixed information. __________________ rockspyder4x4.com

10-10-2006, 07:15 PM	#2
WBlackie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77472 Posts: 366	I don't run a ProMod car but most folks actually run steel shot instead of water. In my supermod car I usually run about 200-250 lbs in each front tire. __________________ BlackStar MotorSports W.E.Rock and XRRA #781 www.blackstarmotorsports.com www.kyoobit.com http://coupons.mypromotiondepartment.com Huge thanks to all of our 2009 sponsors!! Immaculate Flight, Kyoobit.com, Maxxis Tires, Hazardous Concepts Last edited by WBlackie; 10-10-2006 at 07:49 PM.

10-10-2006, 07:21 PM	#3
RUFF Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8565 Location: Bris/Australia Posts: 1,656	In Aus Most Pro Mods are running some water in the Fronts. I know one that runs a little in the rear as well. When i competed in the 2005 season i ran water to the top of the rims up front and the bottom of the rims out back. Dave Camp has driven my rig for the 2006 season and i know he is running water in the front but not sure how much or if any in the rear. __________________ www.outerlimits4x4.com www.werockaustralia.com SAVE THE HAMMERS Post #749 Do illiterate people get the full effect of Alphabet Soup? If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?

10-10-2006, 07:22 PM	#4
RedBullJeep Pirate is KING! Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12217 Location: San Diego Area Posts: 11,144	Lead is illegal so if you do run it, you do run the risk of a penalty...many people now run steel but the term "lead" got so ingrained (like Frisbee vs. Flying Disc), some people continue to call it lead, even though it's not...right Weston? We run ballast from RockStomper and or MRW so yes, we do run weight. Our personal use on the crawlers we run ranges from 150 total in the fronts to over 700 lbs in the fronts at certain events in our SuperMod. Never have we run more than 175 total in the Pro Mod...most of the time 90 in the left, 60 n the right...to help the torque lift of the left front on throttle climbs. BUT, each crawler and team has their preference. Some prefer water, some prefer ballast such as shot or media (steel weight), some prefer nothing. Best of luck on your set up! __________________ . Dustin Webster Red Bull RockCrawling Team www.beccawebster.com free 71PA_Highboy! banning info available now in the place we're not supposed to talk about. University of 4 Wheel Drive - Off Road Training DVD's and Instruction. U4WD.com RockHer 1 and RockHer 2 for sale...makin room to start on something new. PM for details. Last edited by RedBullJeep; 10-10-2006 at 07:26 PM.

10-10-2006, 08:23 PM	#7
extreme spider hardcore Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17949 Location: ontario canada Posts: 80	thanx for all the info. just trying to find set ups. we are making are way down to the super crawl in dec. and it will be are first time on a man made course. traveling from toronto ontario canada . want to be competitive when we get there. __________________ rockspyder4x4.com

10-10-2006, 09:04 PM	#8
StinkBug StinkyFab Racing Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4946 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,015	Your best bet will be to just try it and see how the vehicle performs. The weight and type of ballast will vary depending on the vehicles weight, COG, suspension setup, balance, etc. Water is the easiest to experiment with, but also a little tricky to tune for both weight and PSI. Dallas __________________ Dallas Ashley StinkyFab Racing (SFR) - Custom Fabrication Crew Chief, RedBull Rockcrawling Team Codriver, Team RockIt #88 - KOH 2010

10-10-2006, 09:07 PM	#9
Scout Dude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 4001 Location: Citrus Heights, CA Posts: 3,875	I ran shot in mine...I'll say more than 100lbs and less than 500lbs. Does that help? __________________ Dysfunctional Rockcrawlers

10-11-2006, 07:59 PM	#10
extreme spider hardcore Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17949 Location: ontario canada Posts: 80	any other good tips for man made courses. __________________ rockspyder4x4.com

10-11-2006, 09:09 PM	#12
pure-adrenaline Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7482 Location: Farmington,NM Posts: 1,690	we run 125lbs steel shot in each of the front and half the tire filled in the rear. __________________ "It's all about the skinny pedal"

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