Moab - Helldorado trails..

[rotozuk]

Just heard from a friend that the Helldorado trails, and perhaps some of Strike Ravine trail may be closed. Seems the land they were on was sold to a new owner. Rumor has it signs closing the area are already posted.

-Wayne

[RockHammered]

Hmmm, must be a brand new thing. I was there a month ago, no signs on lower, upper, or the creekbed. Can anyone confirm this?

[rotozuk]

Got the word from a wheeler that lives in Moab, and is a member of Red Rock 4 Wheelers.

I posted hoping this was not true. Anyone else know anything?

-Wayne

p.s. Anyone know anything about Johnson Canyon in Death Valley? It used to connect to Panamint City.

[J Kimmel]

I had some friends that ran them this past weekend, didn't mention anything, although anything is possible.

[YeeP]

Im so sick of trails being closed in Moab, fawkin hippies.....

i know this is old news, but has anyone confirmed that Poison Spider was closed off at some point early in the trail?

Ryan

[saf-t scissors]

People were saying the same chit when we were there about a month ago. Only then, the story was that the BLM closed them.

Our group ran upper and lower that week, and didn't see anything.

[NothernAZxj]

BLM's nationalstanding on washes is IF it is a wash it can be used for a trail, If it is now under private ownership, that would suck! I ran lower two years ago, was hoping to do upper in april

[Greg@RME]

I just posted a Thread in the Land Use Forum... Helldorado Trail Closures.

[Greg@RME]

Originally posted by YeeP
i know this is old news, but has anyone confirmed that Poison Spider was closed off at some point early in the trail?

I think this is what you're talking about...

Eairler this year, illegal bypasses were roped off on Poision Spoder Mesa. Sadly, most people that saw the closed bypasses thought they were a joke and coninued to use the bypasses, instead of the original trail.

Poision Spider Mesa still opened.

[D60]

Poison Spider is still open, some of the optional lines are off-limits now. Please respect the closures or the whole trail is no doubt next

[ChrisPy]

is "rusty nail" an "alternate bypass"?

[JiveTurkey]

Originally posted by Greg@RME


I think this is what you're talking about...

Eairler this year, illegal bypasses were roped off on Poision Spoder Mesa. Sadly, most people that saw the closed bypasses thought they were a joke and coninued to use the bypasses, instead of the original trail.

Poision Spider Mesa still opened.

They are not marked very offical-like, just some spray paint on the rocks. Because there were no offical BLM markers, we also thought it was the hippies.

[Greg@RME]

Originally posted by JiveTurkey
They are not marked very offical-like, just some spray paint on the rocks. Because there were no offical BLM markers, we also thought it was the hippies.

Yeah, that's what I heard. If the bypasses are going to be closed, everyone that runs the trails need to know what a closure looks like.

Spray paint on rocks isn't very official looking....

[ChrisPy]

at the risk of being flamed as a hippie, why not just observe the closures? if they are not across a main trail, at least? make them happy, and keep our trails. piss them off, and fight a battle we ARE going to lose.

ever seen a sierra club or greenspease fundraiser on the east coast? MILLIONS of dollars are raised by going door to door asking "donate to save our wilderness"?

as an off road community, we are loud as fawk, but spend very little money comparitively, and the whole "donate to save our off road playgrounds" doesnt fly as well in the urban moneypit.

[1cdub]

I was on Helldorado 3 days ago with no signs....

[tv_larsen]

I ran Poison Spider a month ago. The only closure I remember was the steep rock climb on the right side of the first big sandy wash. It was just painted on the rock, but I thought that climb has always been off limits.

[YellowSub1962]

Originally posted by ChrisPy
at the risk of being flamed as a hippie, why not just observe the closures? if they are not across a main trail, at least? make them happy, and keep our trails. piss them off, and fight a battle we ARE going to lose.

ever seen a sierra club or greenspease fundraiser on the east coast? MILLIONS of dollars are raised by going door to door asking "donate to save our wilderness"?

as an off road community, we are loud as fawk, but spend very little money comparitively, and the whole "donate to save our off road playgrounds" doesnt fly as well in the urban moneypit.

why would we think you're a hippie for following the rules? If everyone did and respected the land we probably wouldn't even have this thread...


From what I hear on the Moab issue, it was purchased by a private individual, and he closed it. Its his property now (if this is true) and he can do as he chooses.

Why doesn't everyone observe the closure if it is in fact true, and focus your energy on saving the rest of the trails that are on public land and currently open.

[YeeP]

ChrisPy,

Please dont think that I was implying that I think it is OK to take those illegal bypasses. I never have and dont plan on it. I am just tired of trails being roped off.

One thing about the bypasses, On trails in Moab like Pritchett Canyon, in the past 3 or 4 years people have made a "bypass" more like alternate route to two of the main obstacles, Rocker Knocker and Rock Pile. My approach toward this is, yes they are cool obstacles, but they are not part of the orriginal trail as I knew it . So I choose not to take them, to try and stick to the original trail.

So lets say Mr. newjeeper, decides to run pritchett, and I am behind him. He takes the "optional route" at Rocker Knocker, which I know is not part of the original trail. When he drives on it, am I going to be upset? Sure, it is sad to see this stuff happen, who knows when the next route will be made..... But should I go up and talk to him?? Tell him that he is not on the original trail? Maybe, maybe not.... Maybe I should wait untill the BLM takes action because people were going "off the trail"... Then Mr. newjeeper will be pissed because they took away his favorite part of the trail..... It is definatley a vicious circle.

I am definatley not perfect, I have run Hell's Gate on Hell's Revenge, and I have done the Escalator, which is not part of Hell's Revenge....

Either way it is a tough choice to make. For all I know the original hells revenge trail did not even include "Micks' Hole", that obstacle supposedly got its name because Dan Mick was the first one out of it, they wouldnt make a trail without being able to complete it.... Anyway, hope you get my point, if there is one


Ryan

[NothernAZxj]

I jsut got through turnig in a couple of Bozo's in a ford tearing up the countryside, took pics and turned em into the FS along with a signed statement as to what I saw,

From what I gather these two have done this before and got away, not his time they didn't fined and their vehicle has been confiscated



HOOOORAAAHHHHHH

[Slowerthanu]

Originally posted by 1cdub
I was on Helldorado 3 days ago with no signs....

If this is true then thank goodness, lower is by far my favorite Moab trail and I plan on attempting upper soon too.

[rotozuk]

Originally posted by Slowerthanu



If this is true then thank goodness, lower is by far my favorite Moab trail and I plan on attempting upper soon too.

Lower is a dirt road. Upper is a lot more fun.

-Wayne

[JiveTurkey]

Originally posted by ChrisPy
at the risk of being flamed as a hippie, why not just observe the closures? if they are not across a main trail, at least? make them happy, and keep our trails. piss them off, and fight a battle we ARE going to lose.

ever seen a sierra club or greenspease fundraiser on the east coast? MILLIONS of dollars are raised by going door to door asking "donate to save our wilderness"?

as an off road community, we are loud as fawk, but spend very little money comparitively, and the whole "donate to save our off road playgrounds" doesnt fly as well in the urban moneypit.

Rotozuk--sorry for the thread hi-jacking.

The optional line closures on Poison Spider ( the steep hill at the top of the switchbacks, and the little bump to the left of wedgie ) are marked with spray paint, with no BLM signs near. Just spray paint on the sandstone that says something like "route closed", I don't remember the exact wording. Now who's to know that any ole asshat ( hippie, mountian biker, hiker, etc. ) just didn't go out there and paint it on there? I will and do respect any and all BLM and private owner trail closures, but this one leaves some open questions as to whom exactly closed these optional lines.

[CJ3BWILLYS]

Originally posted by JiveTurkey


They are not marked very offical-like, just some spray paint on the rocks.

I'ts O.K. to Spray paint ( Vandalize ) the rocks, but not leave a little tire Rubber on them ? Isn't that a little hippocritical ??

[yjinprogress]

Originally posted by YeeP


So lets say Mr. newjeeper, decides to run pritchett, and I am behind him. He takes the "optional route" at Rocker Knocker, which I know is not part of the original trail. When he drives on it, am I going to be upset? Sure, it is sad to see this stuff happen, who knows when the next route will be made..... But should I go up and talk to him?? Tell him that he is not on the original trail? Maybe, maybe not.... Maybe I should wait untill the BLM takes action because people were going "off the trail"... Then Mr. newjeeper will be pissed because they took away his favorite part of the trail..... It is definatley a vicious circle.

Ryan

As a newjeeper, I can say that if I'm on an unfamiliar trail and I unknowingly go someplace I shouldn't, I'd like to be nicely told about it. As an example, I've only seen pics of the Rubicon but it seems like its sometimes hard to tell where the trail is unless you know where you're going. Some people wouldn't care but I'd like to think most 'wheelers that would like to enjoy this hobby for years to come wouldn't intentionally do anything that may jeapordize continued access to any currently available trails or future potential trail openings.

[Vermin]

Originally posted by tv_larsen
I ran Poison Spider a month ago. The only closure I remember was the steep rock climb on the right side of the first big sandy wash. It was just painted on the rock, but I thought that climb has always been off limits.

It wasn't 2 years ago..