TOTW: Radius arm front suspension - Page 2

bronczilla · 04-28-2003, 12:32 PM

Im looking into getting some extended radius arms for my 79 Bronc from broncograveyard...$750.

Whatever I do I need to get rid of these damn drop brackets...

They catch everything, thinkng about making my own too.

72Bronco · 05-01-2003, 09:36 AM

Booty Fab

sfazr2 · 05-01-2003, 09:48 AM

Ok I don't really see why you guys couldn't do what I did. I spent $80 in Johnny joints, $30 for 7 degree C- bushings,and fabbed up my own mounts (4 plates with one hole each) Ok fine the arms aren't extended....$110 vs. $750?????

bronczilla · 05-02-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 72Bronco
Booty Fab

PICS

sfazr2 · 05-02-2003, 11:59 AM

check page 1 for pics

botty fab huh? ok tell you what, i'll fab them up, paint them red, laser cut the brackets, put it a box with a fancy logo and a trick name and sell them for $750 to you so it won't be booty fab anymore.

I'm sure even the best radius arm kit could be called booty fab by a NASA engineer. You guys and your "booty fab " comments!

rokcrln · 05-02-2003, 04:58 PM

First off not the best flex shot but it is raining and this is what I had on my disc.
Front I have extended- johney jointed arms and a WAH. WH 5.5" front springs and plenty of shock travel.

Rear I have 3.5" 11 leaf nationals and a 7" long spring perch that is also built to give me 2" of lift to match the front and they piviot. The rear shocks are not long enough and this is the down fall of my rear set up.

As far as spring settle I have never checked from when I put them in. It all works real well but their are some changes I am going to make.

Ditch my curent front shock set up for the longer 16" I think 9012's and also run these in back once I build a new cage and incorperate then into it. Also with the WAH I want to find a front sway bar set up to minimize body roll. The biggest change the WAH made besides lots of flex is now I am dead even with flex front to back. Before I noticed the rear would flex out then push the front to limit now it works with each end.

sfazr2 · 05-02-2003, 05:49 PM

Well the WAH is out of my budget right now. Maybe later.
Extending the arm with the JJoint would be pretty easy. I'm only running 35's and probably won't be able to get much more under there so I'm not going to stress. It's been sitting long enough already, needs to get back rolling.
Thanks for the pic.

muddinmike · 05-04-2003, 08:12 PM

okay heres some dumb questions. Is WAH=wristed axle housing? and is a johny joint the same as heim joint? have a pic of a johny joint?

rokcrln · 05-05-2003, 05:18 AM

WAH= yes
Johney joint is like a hiem but they are rebuildable and in most cases larger and stronger

72Bronco · 05-05-2003, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sfazr2
check page 1 for pics

botty fab huh? ok tell you what, i'll fab them up, paint them red, laser cut the brackets, put it a box with a fancy logo and a trick name and sell them for $750 to you so it won't be booty fab anymore.

I'm sure even the best radius arm kit could be called booty fab by a NASA engineer. You guys and your "booty fab " comments!

I was talking about Bronczilla's drop brackets BTW
You guys and your defensive attitudes.......Jeese
Maybe deep down inside you think they are booty fab.

bronczilla · 05-05-2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 72Bronco

I was talking about Bronczilla's drop brackets BTW
You guys and your defensive attitudes.......Jeese
Maybe deep down inside you think they are booty fab.

Those were booty fab Skyjacker extended radius arm drop brackets that I need to throw away

WHITE RHINO · 12-21-2006, 10:48 PM

make your own arms easy!!! cheap

mudford · 12-22-2006, 01:06 AM

About the coils... I haven't heard anything bad about Cage Offroad's coils. I am on classicbroncos.com alot and people over there like them. I bought the 5.5" Cage kit and extended my radius arms. Bronco is still not back together yet so I can't tell you first hand how good this setup works. Try searching on the above site and you should get quite abit of info.

bmc69 · 12-22-2006, 07:51 AM

I built the suspension for both of the rigs in the picture..both have the same 14" extended arms shown in the next pic. The white EB has 5.5" Cage coils and the blue one has 5.5" BC coils. Both flex very well and work well on the trail but both still spend time on the street too. No WAH or wristed arms..just KISS extended arms..but the blue one took second place in the modified class on the ramp competition at Paragon last spring (but I do not remember the score..).

WHITE RHINO · 12-25-2006, 05:10 PM

heres a few more of mine i love them

OX · 12-25-2006, 05:50 PM

I was all in favor of anything but extended arms until a buddy built this thing. Sick flex and stupid easy design (cage arms).

ToddACimer · 12-26-2006, 01:11 PM

I'd agree make your own unless you want the drop $700

Stock arms extended 10.5" with heims

It flexes

MudOnTheTireS10 · 12-26-2006, 01:54 PM

Like previously mentioned before, I'd go with Johnny Joint ends. They are cheaper and strong, you'd have to buy a damn huge expensive heim for it.

Also, you don't want to extend radius arm/control arm setups too long. It actually works against you once you beyond a certain point if I'm not mistaken.

jonnybronco · 12-26-2006, 03:53 PM

I bought the Cage arms. It is a lot cheaper to build your own, but the thing most people forget is that when you lengthen your stock ams, you need to put a bend in them where the stock arm would have ended to keep your tire clearance. The Cage arms have that built in. You can see the bend as the boxed portion changes to the round tube. And yes these things are beefy.

mad_boi · 12-26-2006, 06:09 PM

I have to ask...what's the wheelbarrow for?

jonnybronco · 12-27-2006, 08:53 AM

It's holding up the truck. Just kidding, it was just there to get it out of the way.

BrokeCuzWheelin · 12-27-2006, 10:41 AM

I bought used JBG arms for $125. I didn't like how low the frame mounts hung so I made my own. The lower coil mounts also made the spring bow really bad (6in Deaver/Superflex) so I made those too. Ramped a 939 when I got it done. The rear suspension is was limits it ramp-wise. I really like how everything performs on the trail. After getting everything dialed in it works great, is reliable, and drives ok on the road (but sees very little pavement)

Dusty · 12-27-2006, 08:50 PM

Here's my rig with my old D44 with WAH, 5.5" BC coils and stock radius arms. I wish I could still run a WAH but they don't make one for a D60 and I don't have the skills to machine one myself, so I'm going to long arms with the 60 swap.

There are lots of reasons to choose any of these options and most of those have been covered well here so far. There's no magic bullet, you just need to study your own needs and capabilities, what you want from your rig and make the choice thats best for your particular situation. Any of the three methods (WAH, Long arms or a hinged arm) will probably yield more flex than you can effectively use on the trail, so choosing one will come down to the more subtle differences.

This is what the WAH looks like installed (the thicker ring in the long side axle tube):

Dusty

90Beater · 12-28-2006, 01:22 AM

Made my own. 2" .40 wall tube and 1/4" plate with stock C's cut off at ends. Using heims.

I mounted them to the axle today and should have them in place this week. I gotta go buy some steel to fab up a new tranny crossmember/RA mount. I gotta move the jack stands so I can get them in place. Yes the are heavy but should never bend.

Nickm · 12-28-2006, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90Beater

Made my own. 2" .40 wall tube and 1/4" plate with stock C's cut off at ends. Using heims.

I mounted them to the axle today and should have them in place this week. I gotta go buy some steel to fab up a new tranny crossmember/RA mount. I gotta move the jack stands so I can get them in place. Yes the are heavy but should never bend.

Nice

There is a guy on pavementsucks who makes these

04-28-2003, 12:32 PM	#26
bronczilla Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15562 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 67	Im looking into getting some extended radius arms for my 79 Bronc from broncograveyard...$750. Whatever I do I need to get rid of these damn drop brackets... They catch everything, thinkng about making my own too. __________________ Blablablablafawknblah Last edited by bronczilla; 04-28-2003 at 12:33 PM.

05-01-2003, 09:48 AM	#28
sfazr2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7756 Location: Sacramento, Kaleeforneeia Posts: 433	Geez Ok I don't really see why you guys couldn't do what I did. I spent $80 in Johnny joints, $30 for 7 degree C- bushings,and fabbed up my own mounts (4 plates with one hole each) Ok fine the arms aren't extended....$110 vs. $750????? __________________ I was pretty proud of myself when I put on a large sized condom and it fit, untill I saw the label...."Made in Japan"

05-02-2003, 11:59 AM	#30
sfazr2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7756 Location: Sacramento, Kaleeforneeia Posts: 433	bronczilla check page 1 for pics botty fab huh? ok tell you what, i'll fab them up, paint them red, laser cut the brackets, put it a box with a fancy logo and a trick name and sell them for $750 to you so it won't be booty fab anymore. I'm sure even the best radius arm kit could be called booty fab by a NASA engineer. You guys and your "booty fab " comments! __________________ I was pretty proud of myself when I put on a large sized condom and it fit, untill I saw the label...."Made in Japan"

05-02-2003, 04:58 PM	#31
rokcrln Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5821 Location: Lost in my own head! Posts: 1,414	First off not the best flex shot but it is raining and this is what I had on my disc. Front I have extended- johney jointed arms and a WAH. WH 5.5" front springs and plenty of shock travel. Rear I have 3.5" 11 leaf nationals and a 7" long spring perch that is also built to give me 2" of lift to match the front and they piviot. The rear shocks are not long enough and this is the down fall of my rear set up. As far as spring settle I have never checked from when I put them in. It all works real well but their are some changes I am going to make. Ditch my curent front shock set up for the longer 16" I think 9012's and also run these in back once I build a new cage and incorperate then into it. Also with the WAH I want to find a front sway bar set up to minimize body roll. The biggest change the WAH made besides lots of flex is now I am dead even with flex front to back. Before I noticed the rear would flex out then push the front to limit now it works with each end. Attached Images __________________ Buildem--Rollem--Tearem Apart--Get Rid of the Wife--And Start All Over! BRONCO BUGGY; dana44,35spln 9", 37's, 351W efi, C5full manual w/comp brk, atlass 5:1, fox 16" air's master craft rubicon's, full hydro, and a girl friend that loves to help.

05-02-2003, 05:49 PM	#32
sfazr2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7756 Location: Sacramento, Kaleeforneeia Posts: 433	sweet Well the WAH is out of my budget right now. Maybe later. Extending the arm with the JJoint would be pretty easy. I'm only running 35's and probably won't be able to get much more under there so I'm not going to stress. It's been sitting long enough already, needs to get back rolling. Thanks for the pic. __________________ I was pretty proud of myself when I put on a large sized condom and it fit, untill I saw the label...."Made in Japan"

05-01-2003, 09:36 AM	#27
72Bronco Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16641 Location: Manhattan Beach, Ca Posts: 241	Booty Fab

05-04-2003, 08:12 PM	#33
muddinmike Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 19049 Location: Idaho, the new california Posts: 895	okay heres some dumb questions. Is WAH=wristed axle housing? and is a johny joint the same as heim joint? have a pic of a johny joint?

05-05-2003, 05:18 AM	#34
rokcrln Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5821 Location: Lost in my own head! Posts: 1,414	WAH= yes Johney joint is like a hiem but they are rebuildable and in most cases larger and stronger __________________ Buildem--Rollem--Tearem Apart--Get Rid of the Wife--And Start All Over! BRONCO BUGGY; dana44,35spln 9", 37's, 351W efi, C5full manual w/comp brk, atlass 5:1, fox 16" air's master craft rubicon's, full hydro, and a girl friend that loves to help.

12-21-2006, 10:48 PM	#37
WHITE RHINO Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71446 Location: MORGAN HILL, CA Posts: 2,431	make your own arms easy!!! cheap __________________ Jagerbomb Build: [url]http://bit.ly/ceIoyL[/url] White Rhino build: [url]http://bit.ly/advqvk[/url]

12-22-2006, 01:06 AM	#38
mudford Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Member # 73919 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 1	About the coils... I haven't heard anything bad about Cage Offroad's coils. I am on classicbroncos.com alot and people over there like them. I bought the 5.5" Cage kit and extended my radius arms. Bronco is still not back together yet so I can't tell you first hand how good this setup works. Try searching on the above site and you should get quite abit of info.

12-22-2006, 07:51 AM	#39
bmc69 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40259 Location: Maryland Posts: 449	I built the suspension for both of the rigs in the picture..both have the same 14" extended arms shown in the next pic. The white EB has 5.5" Cage coils and the blue one has 5.5" BC coils. Both flex very well and work well on the trail but both still spend time on the street too. No WAH or wristed arms..just KISS extended arms..but the blue one took second place in the modified class on the ramp competition at Paragon last spring (but I do not remember the score..). __________________ 69 Bronco trail rig 72 Bronco TT racer 78 Bronco trail rig

12-25-2006, 05:10 PM	#40
WHITE RHINO Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71446 Location: MORGAN HILL, CA Posts: 2,431	heres a few more of mine i love them __________________ Jagerbomb Build: [url]http://bit.ly/ceIoyL[/url] White Rhino build: [url]http://bit.ly/advqvk[/url]

12-25-2006, 05:50 PM	#41
OX Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 3113 Location: Lakewood, NJ, 08701 Posts: 906	I was all in favor of anything but extended arms until a buddy built this thing. Sick flex and stupid easy design (cage arms). __________________ 74 Bronc build, 408/C6/Black Box/205/406 mogs/43 SX stickies 79 Bronc XLT, 400/C6/404 Mogs/42 roks Last edited by OX; 12-25-2006 at 05:52 PM.

12-26-2006, 01:11 PM	#42
ToddACimer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42391 Posts: 63	I'd agree make your own unless you want the drop $700 Stock arms extended 10.5" with heims It flexes __________________ 94 Bronco 351W ZF5 D44 SAS 06 BMW K12R +160hp and 2 wheels

12-26-2006, 01:54 PM	#43
MudOnTheTireS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Member # 41474 Location: North Carolina Posts: 872	Like previously mentioned before, I'd go with Johnny Joint ends. They are cheaper and strong, you'd have to buy a damn huge expensive heim for it. Also, you don't want to extend radius arm/control arm setups too long. It actually works against you once you beyond a certain point if I'm not mistaken. __________________ '97 S10: D44+Aussie/9"+Detroit \| AMSOIL Dealer \| <><

12-26-2006, 03:53 PM	#44
jonnybronco Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77280 Location: Yuma Arizona Posts: 20	I bought the Cage arms. It is a lot cheaper to build your own, but the thing most people forget is that when you lengthen your stock ams, you need to put a bend in them where the stock arm would have ended to keep your tire clearance. The Cage arms have that built in. You can see the bend as the boxed portion changes to the round tube. And yes these things are beefy.

12-26-2006, 06:09 PM	#45
mad_boi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Member # 33830 Posts: 500	I have to ask...what's the wheelbarrow for?

12-27-2006, 08:53 AM	#46
jonnybronco Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77280 Location: Yuma Arizona Posts: 20	It's holding up the truck. Just kidding, it was just there to get it out of the way.

12-27-2006, 10:41 AM	#47
BrokeCuzWheelin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 39126 Location: West Allis, WI Posts: 204	I bought used JBG arms for $125. I didn't like how low the frame mounts hung so I made my own. The lower coil mounts also made the spring bow really bad (6in Deaver/Superflex) so I made those too. Ramped a 939 when I got it done. The rear suspension is was limits it ramp-wise. I really like how everything performs on the trail. After getting everything dialed in it works great, is reliable, and drives ok on the road (but sees very little pavement) __________________ [URL="www.damageinc4x4club.com"]Damage Inc. 4x4 Club - Milwaukee WI[/URL] [URL="www.wohva.com"]Wisconsin Off-Highway Vehicle Association[/URL] Last edited by BrokeCuzWheelin; 12-27-2006 at 10:44 AM.

12-27-2006, 08:50 PM	#48
Dusty Token Bronco Guy Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16474 Location: Yucaipa, CA Posts: 1,159	Here's my rig with my old D44 with WAH, 5.5" BC coils and stock radius arms. I wish I could still run a WAH but they don't make one for a D60 and I don't have the skills to machine one myself, so I'm going to long arms with the 60 swap. There are lots of reasons to choose any of these options and most of those have been covered well here so far. There's no magic bullet, you just need to study your own needs and capabilities, what you want from your rig and make the choice thats best for your particular situation. Any of the three methods (WAH, Long arms or a hinged arm) will probably yield more flex than you can effectively use on the trail, so choosing one will come down to the more subtle differences. This is what the WAH looks like installed (the thicker ring in the long side axle tube): Dusty __________________ Dusty Sharp Marketing & Graphic Design Poison Spyder Customs - 951-849-5911 For Shipping Quotes or Order Status Please call the shop, email brent@poisonspyder.com or PM Brent! Connect with us on: Facebook / YouTube

12-28-2006, 01:22 AM	#49
90Beater Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 52074 Location: Canyon Country, CA Posts: 159	Made my own. 2" .40 wall tube and 1/4" plate with stock C's cut off at ends. Using heims. I mounted them to the axle today and should have them in place this week. I gotta go buy some steel to fab up a new tranny crossmember/RA mount. I gotta move the jack stands so I can get them in place. Yes the are heavy but should never bend. __________________ [URL="http://bronco.tophersworld.com/"]Bronco.tophersworld.com[/URL] 1990 Full Size Bronco Camo Paint SAS 8 Lug. D44 Front 14B Rear

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