Tilt Column

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:06 PM

Doing a Saginaw conversion, this truck is old had the steering box that the shaft goes all the way to the steering wheel, TS did not work, had an aftermarket ign switch no horn etc. I called the customer and suggested doing a GM tilt and solve a bunch of problems in one blow.
I went out to Justin's to fetch an S10 column, and he was out, so I trecked thru and found a good candidate, mid 80's Cherokee, still a GM part.
First step is to set it in the hole and fab up the upper mount, notice the rope to hold it in place.

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:09 PM

The section you see bolted to the column is OEM, you cut the ears off, and fab new ones or it will hang too low. This is raised at least 2" from the ears that were on there. These are 2 sections of angle iron, welded on the OEM bracket

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:13 PM

Here is the firewall side, the rusty section is where I removed the firewall mount that was on here, as you can see it was too far down, I have fabbed a lower mount using the cover that was on the old LC comumn for a template, it is bolted to the firewall on the inside here but not yet welded.

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:16 PM

This unit also comes with a pair of U joints, one here, and the other on the gearbox so get the shaft also if you source one, the fat thing below the u joint is a rubber vibration damper, added bonus.

Butch

osteology · 09-25-2004, 05:25 PM

Looks nice, Butch. Now go get some paint and cover up the Jeep logo on the wheel

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:25 PM

Lower plate, installed and bolted in........

Butch

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:30 PM

Sits nice and tight, should work very well.
Butch

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osteology

Looks nice, Butch. Now go get some paint and cover up the Jeep logo on the wheel

I'll either get a Grant, or a nice Chevy to go on it, although this is a comfortable wheel, if I could find a Toyota emblem to cover that up

Hell I ought to pull it off and sell it to RockTaxi.......

Cruiser Ken · 09-25-2004, 05:36 PM

Nice work. Is that a metal tech cage?

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruiser Ken

Nice work. Is that a metal tech cage?

Yep...

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:45 PM

When you get your column, you need to get the plugs that go to the switchs and as much wire as possible.
It's not as bad to wire in as this looks

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:47 PM

This is the dimmer switch, simple, one wire in from the HL sw, and one bright out and a dim out

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:54 PM

One reason I like the GM, this is the ignition switch, lots of switched terminals for running acc. I know from memory the red is Batt. orange is acc. purple is starter, one is hot even when hitting the starter, HEI or ECM feed...
Butch

texican · 09-25-2004, 05:58 PM

This is the Turn signal harness, if you have a pre 73, it's a direct wire in, if you have a newer and are running the stock amber TS on the rear it's a bit different., this system has the ability to run brake lights and hazards thru it if you want to. Plug visible in the background is the W/S wiper controls.

Butch

Rockzar · 09-25-2004, 07:06 PM

One thing I would like to add is that dont worry about getting a column with a key. And DONT pay the dude at the yard to rekey the switch for $60 either. A new ignition switch for my GM column was something like $20 at Napa autoparts. Installing it wasnt hard either.

-Dustin

dd113 · 09-25-2004, 07:48 PM

Nice one Butch. Is that Mike Nelsons' truck?

texican · 09-25-2004, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choreboy2

One thing I would like to add is that dont worry about getting a column with a key. And DONT pay the dude at the yard to rekey the switch for $60 either. A new ignition switch for my GM column was something like $20 at Napa autoparts. Installing it wasnt hard either.-Dustin

Actually, what you mean is the lock & tumbler set and they are $16.55, not hard as long as you have a puller and the lock plate depressor, this one had no key.
The switch is the part with all the wires on it.
Butch

texican · 09-25-2004, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dd113

Nice one Butch. Is that Mike Nelsons' truck?

Yes, Saginaw PS, and SM420 on tap.....

65SWB45 · 09-25-2004, 09:47 PM

Nice work.

Ditto on the Heep thingy!

Is that the same guy with the grenaded pinion and t-case?

texican · 09-25-2004, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65SWB45

Nice work.
Is that the same guy with the grenaded pinion and t-case?

Thanks, and yes, I had to get some projects, and ICBM out of the way prior to starting this one.....is the old box I removed one of the kind you were wanting a while back? I spent a lot of extra time removing it intact, I normally sawzall them

65SWB45 · 09-25-2004, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texican

is the old box I removed one of the kind you were wanting a while back? I spent a lot of extra time removing it intact, I normally sawzall them

Now that you mention it.................................

Maybe! I have about 30 complete core boxes. I was mostly just trying to make sure that nobody tossed the cut ones, because I collect even the small parts like the side covers, shims and sectors.

Any progress on the 63 engine parts?

yoda · 09-26-2004, 11:24 AM

Hey Tex,
Have you figured out how to wire in the wiper switch? I've been meaning to try to figure it out by diagrams/ or see if it is even possible. IIRC one is a power supply type system and one is a ground type system.

Did the H/L dimmer clear the foot brake lever? The 73 column I put in mine, the ign switch and the brake slightly touch.

The kids steal Cherokees here cause the housing is plastic. They smash the housing to get to the ign and away they go.

Hmmmm, wonder if wifey would notice the steering missing from the Cherokee?

oakley · 09-26-2004, 07:02 PM

Texican,

What GM tilt columns are good length wise? I am looking at doing it for my FJ40 and I have been looking for a camaro or firebird mid seventies. It would help if I could look for many more models. ALSO, What do you do to make the shaft from the column to the PS box the correct length?

Greg

Rockzar · 09-26-2004, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoda

Hey Tex,
Have you figured out how to wire in the wiper switch? I've been meaning to try to figure it out by diagrams/ or see if it is even possible. IIRC one is a power supply type system and one is a ground type system.

Did the H/L dimmer clear the foot brake lever? The 73 column I put in mine, the ign switch and the brake slightly touch.

I would also be stoked to find someone who has figured this out. I have also been trying to figure out the wiring for the wipers, and havent gotten there yet. From what I have read, the motor on the 40 (I have wipers above the windshield) are grounded on the body, and hte GM wipers are grounded from the column. Soooo, some wiring finegaling with some relays is necessary. Thats about as far as I got. I have a wiring diagram on my site from when I started this project:
http://www.finespline.com/cruiser/wipers/index.html
Now that winter is coming, sounds like I should pick this project back up.

My column also grazed the pedal, so I took it out and bent it a tad and ground off some to clear.

-Dustin

arndog · 10-04-2007, 12:01 AM

Ill add to this thread instead of starting a new one ... moderators please yell if I should just start a new one.

I went with the straight s-10 column and Im using an ez generic harness ... anyway here are a couple of pictures of what Im working with

http://goonchild.blogspot.com/

and here is what I found on google somewhere.

In article <6g3n89$qg...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Pfis...@IKON.com writes:
>I'm installing a 78 GM suburban 4X4 steering column into a 76 Toyota
>Landcruiser. I'm looking for the wiring pin-outs so I can incorporate the turn
>signal and head light control's.

From memory...

white: brake light switch
brown: hazzard flasher power
violet: directional signal flasher power
lt blue: left front light
dk blue: rt front light
yellow: left rear light
green: right rear light
black: horn switch

still need help with a few of the other wires (misc on the column plug, wipers and the rest of the long flat plug) if anyone can help thanks

arndog

09-25-2004, 05:06 PM	#1
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	Tilt Column Doing a Saginaw conversion, this truck is old had the steering box that the shaft goes all the way to the steering wheel, TS did not work, had an aftermarket ign switch no horn etc. I called the customer and suggested doing a GM tilt and solve a bunch of problems in one blow. I went out to Justin's to fetch an S10 column, and he was out, so I trecked thru and found a good candidate, mid 80's Cherokee, still a GM part. First step is to set it in the hole and fab up the upper mount, notice the rope to hold it in place. Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL] Last edited by texican; 09-25-2004 at 05:37 PM.

09-25-2004, 05:09 PM	#2
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	The section you see bolted to the column is OEM, you cut the ears off, and fab new ones or it will hang too low. This is raised at least 2" from the ears that were on there. These are 2 sections of angle iron, welded on the OEM bracket Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL]

09-25-2004, 05:13 PM	#3
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	Here is the firewall side, the rusty section is where I removed the firewall mount that was on here, as you can see it was too far down, I have fabbed a lower mount using the cover that was on the old LC comumn for a template, it is bolted to the firewall on the inside here but not yet welded. Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL]

09-25-2004, 05:16 PM	#4
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	This unit also comes with a pair of U joints, one here, and the other on the gearbox so get the shaft also if you source one, the fat thing below the u joint is a rubber vibration damper, added bonus. Butch Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL] Last edited by texican; 09-25-2004 at 05:20 PM.

09-25-2004, 05:25 PM	#5
osteology Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19529 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 251	Looks nice, Butch. Now go get some paint and cover up the Jeep logo on the wheel __________________ Mark Ingraham

09-25-2004, 05:30 PM	#7
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	Sits nice and tight, should work very well. Butch Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL]

09-25-2004, 05:36 PM	#9
Cruiser Ken Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Member # 1797 Location: Gainesville, VA Posts: 1,361	Nice work. Is that a metal tech cage? __________________ 82 FJ45 94 FZJ80

09-25-2004, 05:45 PM	#11
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	When you get your column, you need to get the plugs that go to the switchs and as much wire as possible. It's not as bad to wire in as this looks Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL]

09-25-2004, 05:47 PM	#12
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	This is the dimmer switch, simple, one wire in from the HL sw, and one bright out and a dim out Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL] Last edited by texican; 09-25-2004 at 05:52 PM.

09-25-2004, 05:54 PM	#13
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	One reason I like the GM, this is the ignition switch, lots of switched terminals for running acc. I know from memory the red is Batt. orange is acc. purple is starter, one is hot even when hitting the starter, HEI or ECM feed... Butch Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL]

09-25-2004, 05:58 PM	#14
texican Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12349 Location: Bonham Texas Posts: 6,155	This is the Turn signal harness, if you have a pre 73, it's a direct wire in, if you have a newer and are running the stock amber TS on the rear it's a bit different., this system has the ability to run brake lights and hazards thru it if you want to. Plug visible in the background is the W/S wiper controls. Butch Attached Images __________________ Conflict is inevitable..... Combat is optional.... Tires are like boobs, they always look big until you have played with them for a while, then you just want a bigger set. [URL=http://www.lslc.org/]Lone Star Land Cruisers[/URL] [URL=http://www.khyi.com/]Support Texas Music[/URL] Last edited by texican; 09-25-2004 at 06:00 PM.

09-25-2004, 07:06 PM	#15
Rockzar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25622 Location: In the fog, Half Moon Bay, CA Posts: 1,805	One thing I would like to add is that dont worry about getting a column with a key. And DONT pay the dude at the yard to rekey the switch for $60 either. A new ignition switch for my GM column was something like $20 at Napa autoparts. Installing it wasnt hard either. -Dustin __________________ '71 -FJ 40 for sale: http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=549817&highlight=

09-25-2004, 07:48 PM	#16
dd113 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Member # 19837 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,371	Nice one Butch. Is that Mike Nelsons' truck? __________________ If it does not go easy just force it David Dearborn Atlanta GA www.urbanlandcruisers.com TLCA Associate member Got a question, need an opinion, do you love puppies, just want to talk or stage a cage match? For all of these issues and more PM Mark, 65SWB45.

09-25-2004, 09:47 PM	#19
65SWB45 Desert Rat Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27432 Location: going 45 Posts: 3,699	Nice work. Ditto on the Heep thingy! Is that the same guy with the grenaded pinion and t-case? __________________ MarksOffRoad.net Originally Posted by lc tpi ...if I have to buy them from Trail Gear I guess I dont need them. 65SWB45, 64LWB45, 68FJ40, 72VJ40, 76K5, 73Sub454, 97Sub5.7, 2002 Trailblazer tlca #1086 member: Trail Crew-L.A. TLCA, Elwood Chapter, TLCA

09-26-2004, 11:24 AM	#22
yoda Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4828 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 659	Hey Tex, Have you figured out how to wire in the wiper switch? I've been meaning to try to figure it out by diagrams/ or see if it is even possible. IIRC one is a power supply type system and one is a ground type system. Did the H/L dimmer clear the foot brake lever? The 73 column I put in mine, the ign switch and the brake slightly touch. The kids steal Cherokees here cause the housing is plastic. They smash the housing to get to the ign and away they go. Hmmmm, wonder if wifey would notice the steering missing from the Cherokee? __________________ David TLCA 14788 71 FJ-40 TBI 327 w/TH-350 76 FJ-40 "project"

09-26-2004, 07:02 PM	#23
oakley Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Member # 733 Location: parker,CO,usa Posts: 204	Texican, What GM tilt columns are good length wise? I am looking at doing it for my FJ40 and I have been looking for a camaro or firebird mid seventies. It would help if I could look for many more models. ALSO, What do you do to make the shaft from the column to the PS box the correct length? Greg __________________ Greg '73 FJ40, '97 Vortec 5.7 LTR, SM465, Orion -- Almost finished...........for now - TLCA Member #10390

10-04-2007, 12:01 AM	#25
arndog Rock God Join Date: May 2000 Member # 764 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,120	Ill add to this thread instead of starting a new one ... moderators please yell if I should just start a new one. I went with the straight s-10 column and Im using an ez generic harness ... anyway here are a couple of pictures of what Im working with http://goonchild.blogspot.com/ and here is what I found on google somewhere. In article <6g3n89$qg...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Pfis...@IKON.com writes: >I'm installing a 78 GM suburban 4X4 steering column into a 76 Toyota >Landcruiser. I'm looking for the wiring pin-outs so I can incorporate the turn >signal and head light control's. From memory... white: brake light switch brown: hazzard flasher power violet: directional signal flasher power lt blue: left front light dk blue: rt front light yellow: left rear light green: right rear light black: horn switch still need help with a few of the other wires (misc on the column plug, wipers and the rest of the long flat plug) if anyone can help thanks arndog __________________ 1966 FJ40 cruiser page

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