Rock Me Buggy carb set up (no extra shiot)

ToyFamily · 05-14-2002, 05:48 PM

these are the pics of the carb set up no extra vaccum lines and a bleeder tube to keep it running at angles

ToyFamily · 05-14-2002, 05:50 PM

ToyFamily · 05-14-2002, 05:51 PM

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attac...chmentid=19971

ForestCam · 05-14-2002, 06:11 PM

Gee it even runs at this angle???

ToyFamily · 05-14-2002, 06:48 PM

Yes it does

NoBrainR · 05-14-2002, 07:40 PM

So you did Moon Rocks, I wish I had gone, but was working on my shit for Drew's Bash. Why not EFI? We'll have to get togather on the con or fordyce this summer so I can check out your buggy. Are you going to the Bash, or when are you guy's going to the Con?

NIC · 05-14-2002, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrianR
So you did Moon Rocks,

i got out there with DSI and crash, AMJ and hooder, was a greet day wheeling.

so where did you get the idea of blocking all the lines to get it to run at an angle?

NICK

Lowtorious · 05-15-2002, 12:09 AM

please explain!
You knew someone was going to ask you the method behind your maddness. let's hear it!

weldpro · 05-15-2002, 12:31 AM

Nic-- YOU WERE AT CALROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??
Man you were within 100mi. from my place damn we could of saved you shipping.

Toy family- I was so bummed that you were not in the finals I showed up for Sunday really hoping to see your rig compete. Well atleast you got out there like you planned (I had my doubts whether or not you would be able to finish the buggy in time atleast at the begining). It looks great , and next time you'll show em' eh!

weldpro

Wilson · 05-15-2002, 12:33 AM

I told Nick that we were going to ahve to explain all of it. The motor was my responsibility. I started by removing every smog related component and making the appropriate restrictor plates. I'm not sure what everythihng is called, but the best way to start is to remove everythign connected to the smog rails. I capped every vaccum line that I removed. At this point it ran but didn't idle. We got a smog guy to come by and look at the routing(thanks sly4rnnrdrt12), which enabled us to get rid of a lot more stuff and route vaccum to the components that needed it, either manifold or regulated. I'll make a drawing for the line routing and explain the carb mods. We were also able to completley ditch the ECU. The key to running at the angles was routing the bowl vent out of the circuit. Normally in extreme angles, the vent dumps the excess fule down the throat of the carb, which stalls the engine. That is the hose you see on top of the carb. We're going to change it to motorcycle fuel line. We routed this into a small recovery bottle to avoid leaking fuel onto theground. The system worked flawlessly.

DavidT. · 05-15-2002, 12:42 AM

That buggy is so cool, I drool everytime I come by and see it

I think you guys totally kicked ass considering you never got to test the rig before competing and you built it for a WHOLE LOT less than what your competitors are!

DaGimp · 05-15-2002, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by weldpro
Nic-- YOU WERE AT CALROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??
Man you were within 100mi. from my place damn we could of saved you shipping.

Toy family- I was so bummed that you were not in the finals I showed up for Sunday really hoping to see your rig compete. Well atleast you got out there like you planned (I had my doubts whether or not you would be able to finish the buggy in time atleast at the begining). It looks great , and next time you'll show em' eh!

weldpro

Well I am no longer a virgin to the weber stall on a steep hill (it took one trip) . I was hoping you could do a write for the mod you did? Its pretty frustrating to know you could make the hill but your intake is sucking raw fuel. I've seen other posts but your fix seems to under stand the problem/fix better than most.

OffroadRunner · 05-15-2002, 08:46 AM

OK I am sure I will get flamed on this on, but I am a complete newbie to a carb. Everything I have owned up untill a month ago has been EFI. Please enlighten me on this breather to keep it runnin at extreme angles.... What is it hooked to? What does it do exactly?

OK so I am alittle slow typing.

miniyota · 05-15-2002, 10:44 AM

its still a carb. i hate carbs! they suck! they never work right for me. i love my fuel injection and i'll never give it up!

Arnold · 05-15-2002, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ross hildebrandt
its still a carb. i hate carbs! they suck! they never work right for me. i love my fuel injection and i'll never give it up!

I'm w/ you there man.

CARBS SUCK!

Run dog · 05-16-2002, 12:13 AM

Wilson, your carb looked like it ran great. I am the guy who drove the Army green tubed Toyota coiled, w/ rear steer dana 44. I ran a brand new Webber 32/36 that worked great except for #2(Crack). I vapor locked the motor on #4. I am searching for an Injected 22RE. Keep up the good work you guys kicked ass!!! RUN DOG

ToyFamily · 05-16-2002, 12:56 PM

ran the carb because it was free (Poor Copllege boys), we had to spend money on more important things

the tube in the top view is the one that helps prevent the hi angle flooding

Coop 50 · 05-16-2002, 01:17 PM

The tube is a vent to the float bowl, is that right?

poppycock · 05-16-2002, 02:01 PM

so all i have to do is run a tube from the float bowl to a catch can and my carb won't flood? help us carb idiots out.

Wilson · 05-16-2002, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CCooper7112
The tube is a vent to the float bowl, is that right?

Yes, remember it's not goign to run as perfect as fuel injection. there still is the potential for accelerator pump lag and other possibel stalling/hesitation problems, but moving the vent dump out of the throat of the carb is a big help. It will run at extreme angles, but may not alwasy restart if stalled. Nick is going to have to test it again, the front brakes were locked all day, which made it much easier to stall. A little more seat time and we'll have a better idea of just how well it works. On a regular truck, you will have to run the vent line out of the stock air cleaner assembly which requires some more work, but is easily doable.

skulltoy · 05-16-2002, 09:14 PM

I've got an efi motor sitting and ready to put in, but not enough time, so I'll make the carb work. Did you guys set the floats way low or leave them stock?

ToyFamily · 05-17-2002, 01:59 AM

Hey Wilson and Nick, I was wondering if you'd get the same results if you replace the drain hose with a rubber cap that plugs that tube. That way you can run an air cleaner without having to worry about routing the hose out to a catch bottle.

Jim

Wilson · 05-17-2002, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToyFamily
Hey Wilson and Nick, I was wondering if you'd get the same results if you replace the drain hose with a rubber cap that plugs that tube. That way you can run an air cleaner without having to worry about routing the hose out to a catch bottle.

Jim

Maybe, but I think that it would prohibit the bowl from venting, which could cause a vaccum in the bowl and it wouldn't run at all. there's no rooom under the hood for a regular air cleaner anyways

lacrack · 06-20-2005, 11:27 PM

do you still have some pic of this setup to see the vacum line(the one facing the motor)
thanks

a2b · 06-20-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacrack

do you still have some pic of this setup to see the vacum line(the one facing the motor)
thanks

wow, i was wondering what all the fuss was about, then i noticed that this thread is 3 years old....

05-14-2002, 05:48 PM	#1
ToyFamily Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 463 Location: everywhere Posts: 3,321	Rock Me Buggy carb set up (no extra shiot) these are the pics of the carb set up no extra vaccum lines and a bleeder tube to keep it running at angles Attached Images __________________ A bunch of Toyotas...who wants to know Torchmate Racing www.torchmateracing.com

05-14-2002, 05:51 PM	#3
ToyFamily Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 463 Location: everywhere Posts: 3,321	http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attac...chmentid=19971 __________________ A bunch of Toyotas...who wants to know Torchmate Racing www.torchmateracing.com

05-14-2002, 06:48 PM	#5
ToyFamily Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 463 Location: everywhere Posts: 3,321	Yes it does __________________ A bunch of Toyotas...who wants to know Torchmate Racing www.torchmateracing.com

05-14-2002, 07:40 PM	#6
NoBrainR Rock God Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 250 Location: Sparks, Nevada, USA Posts: 1,969	So you did Moon Rocks, I wish I had gone, but was working on my shit for Drew's Bash. Why not EFI? We'll have to get togather on the con or fordyce this summer so I can check out your buggy. Are you going to the Bash, or when are you guy's going to the Con? __________________ Making good decisions comes from experience ....... ...... experience comes from making bad decisions

05-15-2002, 12:09 AM	#8
Lowtorious Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Member # 2387 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,924	please explain! You knew someone was going to ask you the method behind your maddness. let's hear it! Last edited by Lowtorious; 05-15-2002 at 12:10 AM.

05-14-2002, 05:50 PM	#2
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05-14-2002, 06:11 PM	#4
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05-15-2002, 12:31 AM	#9
weldpro pimping sparks&smoke Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 444 Posts: 844	Nic-- YOU WERE AT CALROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?? Man you were within 100mi. from my place damn we could of saved you shipping. Toy family- I was so bummed that you were not in the finals I showed up for Sunday really hoping to see your rig compete. Well atleast you got out there like you planned (I had my doubts whether or not you would be able to finish the buggy in time atleast at the begining). It looks great , and next time you'll show em' eh! weldpro __________________ DBSONLY

05-15-2002, 12:33 AM	#10
Wilson Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 7233 Location: Paradise, CA Posts: 11,751	I told Nick that we were going to ahve to explain all of it. The motor was my responsibility. I started by removing every smog related component and making the appropriate restrictor plates. I'm not sure what everythihng is called, but the best way to start is to remove everythign connected to the smog rails. I capped every vaccum line that I removed. At this point it ran but didn't idle. We got a smog guy to come by and look at the routing(thanks sly4rnnrdrt12), which enabled us to get rid of a lot more stuff and route vaccum to the components that needed it, either manifold or regulated. I'll make a drawing for the line routing and explain the carb mods. We were also able to completley ditch the ECU. The key to running at the angles was routing the bowl vent out of the circuit. Normally in extreme angles, the vent dumps the excess fule down the throat of the carb, which stalls the engine. That is the hose you see on top of the carb. We're going to change it to motorcycle fuel line. We routed this into a small recovery bottle to avoid leaking fuel onto theground. The system worked flawlessly. __________________ ECV 7-11 Serving up a Tsunami of Swagger

05-15-2002, 12:42 AM	#11
DavidT. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Member # 2394 Location: Outskirts of Chico, Ca Posts: 1,731	That buggy is so cool, I drool everytime I come by and see it I think you guys totally kicked ass considering you never got to test the rig before competing and you built it for a WHOLE LOT less than what your competitors are!

05-15-2002, 08:46 AM	#13
OffroadRunner Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4703 Location: Hagerstown MD Posts: 1,543	OK I am sure I will get flamed on this on, but I am a complete newbie to a carb. Everything I have owned up untill a month ago has been EFI. Please enlighten me on this breather to keep it runnin at extreme angles.... What is it hooked to? What does it do exactly? OK so I am alittle slow typing. __________________ sold my sht but getting ready to start again Last edited by OffroadRunner; 05-15-2002 at 08:48 AM.*

05-15-2002, 10:44 AM	#14
miniyota Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5963 Location: wyoming Posts: 2,661	its still a carb. i hate carbs! they suck! they never work right for me. i love my fuel injection and i'll never give it up! __________________ GETLOST4X4.COM, 2006 Jeep Commander (Chief) 4.7L V8 Limited 1978 Jeep Wagoneer (Tank) 6.6L V8

05-16-2002, 12:13 AM	#16
Run dog Granite Guru Join Date: Apr 2002 Member # 11365 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 925	Wilson, your carb looked like it ran great. I am the guy who drove the Army green tubed Toyota coiled, w/ rear steer dana 44. I ran a brand new Webber 32/36 that worked great except for #2(Crack). I vapor locked the motor on #4. I am searching for an Injected 22RE. Keep up the good work you guys kicked ass!!! RUN DOG __________________ OUR STABLE OF 4x4's 1) JIMMY's 4x4 KOH Racer 2) 2004 Land Rover DII (hers) 3) 2002 Dodge 2500 Diesel 4x4 (Tow Rig) (mine) 4) 2001 JEEP Grand Cherokee 42" IROKS/4-linked/Atlas (Mine) 5) 1985 FJ 60 landcruiser-Dana 60's, Atlas Ram Jet 350 6) 2005 Full supension BOB Stroller (twins)

05-16-2002, 12:56 PM	#17
ToyFamily Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 463 Location: everywhere Posts: 3,321	ran the carb because it was free (Poor Copllege boys), we had to spend money on more important things the tube in the top view is the one that helps prevent the hi angle flooding __________________ A bunch of Toyotas...who wants to know Torchmate Racing www.torchmateracing.com

05-16-2002, 01:17 PM	#18
Coop 50 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5315 Location: Shoreline WA Posts: 821	The tube is a vent to the float bowl, is that right? __________________ 86 22R Weber carbed Toy Truck

05-16-2002, 02:01 PM	#19
poppycock Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3621 Location: rohnert park, ca Posts: 1,794	so all i have to do is run a tube from the float bowl to a catch can and my carb won't flood? help us carb idiots out.

05-16-2002, 09:14 PM	#21
skulltoy Rock God Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10425 Location: Denver Posts: 1,394	I've got an efi motor sitting and ready to put in, but not enough time, so I'll make the carb work. Did you guys set the floats way low or leave them stock? __________________ --Radio Controlled Rockcrawling-- Team Carnage Crew 2008 XRRA Western Champions

05-17-2002, 01:59 AM	#22
ToyFamily Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 463 Location: everywhere Posts: 3,321	Hey Wilson and Nick, I was wondering if you'd get the same results if you replace the drain hose with a rubber cap that plugs that tube. That way you can run an air cleaner without having to worry about routing the hose out to a catch bottle. Jim __________________ A bunch of Toyotas...who wants to know Torchmate Racing www.torchmateracing.com

06-20-2005, 11:27 PM	#24
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